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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: Mescalean]
    #19223564 - 12/03/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I like jenkem because it's natural and doesn't cause brain damage


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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: birdland]
    #19223615 - 12/03/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I like jenkem because it's natural and doesn't cause brain damage




Dude that shit will turn your Olney's lesions upside-down. I wouldn't dose that shit lightly (pun!).


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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #19223643 - 12/03/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:
In theory, all drugs are bad because sobriety is the perfect state of mind.




Let's agree to disagree. :strokebeard:





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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: Mescalean]
    #19223655 - 12/03/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Like many others have posted, I essentially think that molecules aren't flawed, human behavior is. I also think that it takes a great deal of responsibility when taking any of the more obscure or potent substances. If a person can figure out what drugs they are not compatible with, and then work out how to appropriately ingest the psychoactive substances that they have decided are acceptable for them to partake in. Yes there are drugs that may be "wrong" for one person, but they might also be "right" for another. It just depends on your individual body chemistry and your personality. I would never advocate drug usage, but I would argue that drugs are a part of this planet and should be legal for anyone that wishes to ingest them. They are a choice, and not a choice to be taken lightly.


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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: birdland]
    #19223683 - 12/03/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's some bull shit myth that stimulants cause brain damage, it's not scientifically funded. Of course abusers suffered damage to dopamine regulators but that hard core over kill, not sleeping, unhealthy fucks who just use for euphoria anyways.

Anyways, I used to play this racing game with my buddy and on this track my SOBER lap times were 4:36 or around that mark. If I smoked weed it wouldn't change much, a little worse or a little better depending on my mood BUT on my twenty second birthday I got high as absolute shit on meth for the first time in my life and me and my buddy were playing this game and my lap times increased by a minute PLUS all the way up to two minutes quicker than my highest times, I was setting records on every race and usually my buddy killed me at this game but I was actually on his level that night and he even had a much faster and better handling car than me. He didn't know I was high and he could t understand it because he usually owns me on racing games. As I said...

Smart drugs increase mental clarity, focus, energy, physical abilities such as reflexes, awareness, ability to breathe better (dialates your air passages), makes you bleed less through vasoconstriction, in all they turn you into a beast for a while. If you overdo it and don't live a normal life such as raying healthy, working out, sleeping regularly then they really just turn you into a scrawny little pimple faced fidgety/shady looking fucker with rings around his eyes.

You'll also notice that even though tweakers are overly paranoid and delusional, you'll see that they're very resourceful, that's one aspect that makes it a smart drug.

It gives you a boost of dopamine, a small boost of serotonin and another boost of adrenaline, te three coolest chemicals in the human body!!! Fuck yeah, right!


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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19223697 - 12/03/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That's some bull shit myth that stimulants cause brain damage, it's not scientifically funded. Of course abusers suffered damage to dopamine regulators but that hard core over kill, not sleeping, unhealthy fucks who just use for euphoria anyways.

Anyways, I used to play this racing game with my buddy and on this track my SOBER lap times were 4:36 or around that mark. If I smoked weed it wouldn't change much, a little worse or a little better depending on my mood BUT on my twenty second birthday I got high as absolute shit on meth for the first time in my life and me and my buddy were playing this game and my lap times increased by a minute PLUS all the way up to two minutes quicker than my highest times, I was setting records on every race and usually my buddy killed me at this game but I was actually on his level that night and he even had a much faster and better handling car than me. He didn't know I was high and he could t understand it because he usually owns me on racing games. As I said...

Smart drugs increase mental clarity, focus, energy, physical abilities such as reflexes, awareness, ability to breathe better (dialates your air passages), makes you bleed less through vasoconstriction, in all they turn you into a beast for a while. If you overdo it and don't live a normal life such as raying healthy, working out, sleeping regularly then they really just turn you into a scrawny little pimple faced fidgety/shady looking fucker with rings around his eyes.

You'll also notice that even though tweakers are overly paranoid and delusional, you'll see that they're very resourceful, that's one aspect that makes it a smart drug.

It gives you a boost of dopamine, a small boost of serotonin and another boost of adrenaline, te three coolest chemicals in the human body!!! Fuck yeah, right!




:kaneclap:


I am still always torn as to whether I should just commit to Adderall or if I should try to be healthy on my own.


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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: st1llnox]
    #19223743 - 12/03/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Eh, I've noticed that you've had previous drugs problems but there is a thread about one of the smartest mathematicians ever alive using adderal for most of his life. He made a bet with a buddy that he could give it up for a month without negatives effects. He did. The last day passed and he went to his buddies house and collected his money and his friend asked him about it. He said something along the lines of, "Every morning of this month I've woken up as I normally do, made breakfast as I normally would. Got a pencil and paper and I sat down to work as always but nothing came, I stare at a blank piece of paper for a whole month. The only thing that ive accomplished is proving to you that I'm not a junkie nor a fiend and now mathematics is a full month behind for it!" He then popped an addreral and went home to work again, haha.

Not exact words but very close.

I'd recommend going sober for a while then maybe months down the road using it to boost yourself. Adderal would be your best bet, better judge of dosage and no shit impurities.

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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19223801 - 12/03/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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GreyMorph said:
Eh, I've noticed that you've had previous drugs problems but there is a thread about one of the smartest mathematicians ever alive using adderal for most of his life. He made a bet with a buddy that he could give it up for a month without negatives effects. He did. The last day passed and he went to his buddies house and collected his money and his friend asked him about it. He said something along the lines of, "Every morning of this month I've woken up as I normally do, made breakfast as I normally would. Got a pencil and paper and I sat down to work as always but nothing came, I stare at a blank piece of paper for a whole month. The only thing that ive accomplished is proving to you that I'm not a junkie nor a fiend and now mathematics is a full month behind for it!" He then popped an addreral and went home to work again, haha.

Not exact words but very close.

I'd recommend going sober for a while then maybe months down the road using it to boost yourself. Adderal would be your best bet, better judge of dosage and no shit impurities.

Good luck my friend!





Haha thanks and I appreciate your thread. Paul Erdos I think is who you're talking about and I actually dug up a TON of information on him and publication history/CV and all that, and I checked how many publications he averaged per year before and after he started taking speed.

His output *almost* doubled and post-stims, he actually had a couple years where he published more in one year than the average mathematician does in his/her entire life.


Still though... IDK MANG and this starting and stopping and starting and stopping is getting to me.



And yeah I have addictive tendencies but I am proactive when things start getting bad, and it's very substance-dependent. I've never even been tempted to abuse Adderall although your concern isn't wholly unwarranted.


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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: st1llnox]
    #19223877 - 12/03/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, he's a bad ass! If I ever had a problem with drugs it would definitely be with amphetamine, luckily I've no problems although I wish I could find adderal more easily. Simply to improve my productivity, I think I have much more potential than I show.

Anyways, I've got to go make a post in my thread over in the music section of the shroomery. You should stop by and check it out if you're ever in the mood to hear some new sounds. I'm doing a review thread and I've got to go post another one. Nice chatting with ya.


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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19224059 - 12/03/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"That's some bull shit myth that stimulants cause brain damage, it's not scientifically funded"

Actually I did a lot of research and found many scientific studies proving that stimulants and especially meth cause long term sometimes permanent brain damage and cognitive impairments.


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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19224064 - 12/03/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

what about cocaine


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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19224095 - 12/03/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, as I said, in hard core addicts that abused the drug, absolutely! I've met plenty of them. Of course, in your average user, MINDFUL of HEALTH user, nah. Those dudes with permensnt brain damage stayed up for weeks on end barely eating, dehydrated as fuck living in the dark. That'll fuck your brain up without drugs. I'd like to see tests done on a few guys that use it fairly regularly, responsibly with healthy lifestyles including adequate food intake, vitamins, sleep, ect.

Science is flawed because people overlook the obvious habits and lifestyle choices of drug abusers. OH and I'd also like to add that street drugs combine a LOT of impurities that are horribly damagin to your brain chemistry which is another obvious thing that's overlooked.


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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: spixce]
    #19224101 - 12/03/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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what about cocaine




It's a smart drug as well but it's physical stimulation puts way too much stress on the body to be used effectively. Also the short duration...


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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19224448 - 12/03/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My understanding is even a single high dose use of method can cause significant brain damage, and long term daily use of even moderate doses will also cause brain damage.

Sporadic and occasional low doses might not do much harm, but high doses or chronic doses cause brain damage and cognitive impairments.


Doing a small threshold dose once a week is probably safe.

Cocaine is never safe , not even when used only ccasionally and not even at low doses , the risk of cardiac death is always there.


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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #19224629 - 12/03/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've read the same thing in several areas of the internet and found it to be false. The lie is abundant. The human brain is not a fragile piece of shit. It's highly complex and the body is capable of miraculous healing. I did hours and hours of research on neurotoxicity of various forms of amphetamine. What I initially found was similar to what you've found and I quit reading up on it but one day my interested peaked and I ran one or two searches and found a gold mine of what I felt was truthful information. It's really common sense when one thinks about it. How many things can permanently cause brain damage in with ONE single use. Only some poisons can do that and very few at that and not to mention that methamphetamine is simply amphetamine with a methyl molecule added to make it hit the brain faster and harder. So what would cause it to damage the brain? I've found that no one can confirm it truthfully with hard evidence. It's simply not true. Keep in mind that there is a vitamin regimen out there and I have the actual list of things to take hen you do use speed in any form to protect yourself from any forms of potential neurotoxicity. Neurotoxicity can't actually even be measured because meth isn't always the cause and neuro studies really aren't that advanced yet anyways. That said, it's really nelligible if any at all. So in my conclusion I find that it's ill gotten evidence and can't be 100% confirmed. It's also highly unlikely from a common sense perspective because as said above, wtf can cause permemant damage through ONE time use? I think it's just a scare tactic. You can take that and do with it what you, disregard it, take it with a grain of salt, take it and read up on it more. Whatever you'd like, bud. I'm glad we could chat upon the subject though cause this subject was a pain in the ass to research and took me many hours to what I felt was obvious when I actually looked upon the answer.

I agree with you about cocaine though. The caridotoxicity comes the the fact that its numbin qualities makes it a sodium channel 9 blocker, I think it's channel 9. It's just not worth the risk at all plus it's cut to hell, costs too much, and doesn't last long. Boy, I'd love to try coca leves though. I've read that they're full of nutrients and vitamins along with the stimulant properties.

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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: spazmodog]
    #19224677 - 12/03/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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there are no stupid or wrong drugs

only stupid or wrong people

etc



fixed

wrong is a made up thang, stupid is very real




Agree though.


there ARE "smart"(so called because they claim to give you a mental boost) drugs however, and we call these  thangs "nootropics"



i'd say nutmeg and hbw(morning glory all the way baby) are stupid drugs but thats just my opt


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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19224942 - 12/03/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I've read the same thing in several areas of the internet and found it to be false. The lie is abundant. The human brain is not a fragile piece of shit. It's highly complex and the body is capable of miraculous healing. I did hours and hours of research on neurotoxicity of various forms of amphetamine. What I initially found was similar to what you've found and I quit reading up on it but one day my interested peaked and I ran one or two searches and found a gold mine of what I felt was truthful information. It's really common sense when one thinks about it. How many things can permanently cause brain damage in with ONE single use. Only some poisons can do that and very few at that and not to mention that methamphetamine is simply amphetamine with a methyl molecule added to make it hit the brain faster and harder. So what would cause it to damage the brain? I've found that no one can confirm it truthfully with hard evidence. It's simply not true. Keep in mind that there is a vitamin regimen out there and I have the actual list of things to take hen you do use speed in any form to protect yourself from any forms of potential neurotoxicity. Neurotoxicity can't actually even be measured because meth isn't always the cause and neuro studies really aren't that advanced yet anyways. That said, it's really nelligible if any at all. So in my conclusion I find that it's ill gotten evidence and can't be 100% confirmed. It's also highly unlikely from a common sense perspective because as said above, wtf can cause permemant damage through ONE time use? I think it's just a scare tactic. You can take that and do with it what you, disregard it, take it with a grain of salt, take it and read up on it more. Whatever you'd like, bud. I'm glad we could chat upon the subject though cause this subject was a pain in the ass to research and took me many hours to what I felt was obvious when I actually looked upon the answer.

I agree with you about cocaine though. The caridotoxicity comes the the fact that its numbin qualities makes it a sodium channel 9 blocker, I think it's channel 9. It's just not worth the risk at all plus it's cut to hell, costs too much, and doesn't last long. Boy, I'd love to try coca leves though. I've read that they're full of nutrients and vitamins along with the stimulant properties.

Good night everyon.




I think the above is all wishful thinking. take a look at the studies, they are legit medical papers. It makes sense. If you shoot up a big enough shot of meth into your vein, the possibility for brain damage is definitely there, even if its a single use.


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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19225471 - 12/04/13 06:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've seen them all and I think they're heavily biased. BUT I completely forgot to mention that there is credibility to your opinion on high doses! High doses of stimulants bump the brains core temperature enough to cause brain damage in intolerant users however the body gets adjusted to this quickly and the temperature doesn't change as much in a user with even a slight tolerance. So yes high doses definitely have potential to be harmful. That said, the brain is not a piece of shit like I said. It can handle a little speed, that's been proven.


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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19225509 - 12/04/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Smart drugs = food.


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Re: "Smart" drugs VS. the "Wrong" drugs. [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #19226172 - 12/04/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I made a list of all the drugs I think are bad and that no one should ever do because all they do is ruin lives

Heroin
Meth
Ketamine
Cocaine
Xanax
XTC
PCP
bath salts




ya' kidding me.  blame the hand of the man that is letting the chemical ruining there life




bullshit dude you dont even know what your talking about i saw kids overdosing and dying all the time on them


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