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What's the deal with pp5?
    #19223885 - 12/03/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So everyone that is a fan of using pp5 plastic rants about how cheap it is compared to jars, but every ziploc twist and loc container I have seen has been at least a dollar per container? What the fuck? I can buy quart jars for that price and they hold double the spawn! I'm in the process of rebuilding my jar collection after I got rid of nearly all of them several months ago and I was hoping that pp5 plastic would be a cheap alternative, but it's not looking that way to me anymore. Am I missing something or what?


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19224248 - 12/03/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I tried using the quart sized ziplock pp5 containers but the bottoms melted in the pressure cooker. I may have added to little water though because my cooker is warped now.
Has anyone had successful attempts with pp5?


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19224256 - 12/03/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

1 quart PP5 holds the same as 1 quart glass bro.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19224274 - 12/03/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

its about personal preference, i prefer glass quart jars for their versatility they never go bad until they break.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: twistedty]
    #19224293 - 12/03/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I just started playing with PP5 myself. If it works out, Ill stop using glass. If nothing else just for the ease of storage.

Im still feeling it all out though. Im not completely sold on the idea.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19224340 - 12/03/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It depends on what your looking for. A quart size PP5 is going to be a similar price as a quart jar, but it could outlast the glass. I have broken a fair amount of quarts in my day, brand does have a role to play of course but a PP5 should hold up for a loooong time. That being said, having just started my first V tek grow, I do prefer the feel and heft of glass.

Of course if your looking for pp5 for agar purposes, ziplock is the wrong brand IMO. Glad is the way to go.

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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19224723 - 12/03/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It depends on what your looking for. A quart size PP5 is going to be a similar price as a quart jar, but it could outlast the glass. I have broken a fair amount of quarts in my day, brand does have a role to play of course but a PP5 should hold up for a loooong time. That being said, having just started my first V tek grow, I do prefer the feel and heft of glass.

Of course if your looking for pp5 for agar purposes, ziplock is the wrong brand IMO. Glad is the way to go.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976




i find it hard to believe pp5 will out last glass :twocents:


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: twistedty]
    #19224764 - 12/03/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i find it hard to believe pp5 will out last glass :twocents:



If you ever try to break up your grain only to have your lid pop off, you would stick with glass.  PP5 has been great for no pour agar for me for the last 3 months.  I gave all my quart pp5 to the trash man.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: twistedty]
    #19224768 - 12/03/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It depends on what your looking for. A quart size PP5 is going to be a similar price as a quart jar, but it could outlast the glass. I have broken a fair amount of quarts in my day, brand does have a role to play of course but a PP5 should hold up for a loooong time. That being said, having just started my first V tek grow, I do prefer the feel and heft of glass.

Of course if your looking for pp5 for agar purposes, ziplock is the wrong brand IMO. Glad is the way to go.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976




i find it hard to believe pp5 will out last glass :twocents:




I dunno, I have had a few jars go on me just in the last month alone. Doesn't plastic last forever? At any rate I said it could outlast the glass based on theory, but due to the fact that I been using glass a lot longer and really just started with PP5. I could just be talking outta my ass :wink:


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19224773 - 12/03/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i find it hard to believe pp5 will out last glass :twocents:



If you ever try to break up your grain only to have your lid pop off, you would stick with glass.  PP5 has been great for no pour agar for me for the last 3 months.  I gave all my quart pp5 to the trash man.



That really sux, maybe that's why violet don't do G2G. Nonetheless ya shoulda recycled that shit.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19224826 - 12/03/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's not about cost or longevity.... It's about simplicity and usefulness.  Going 100% grain 100% of the time in a container that is simple to use is very efficient in many ways.  Fae is a simple slight twist away. And I have zero problem breaking up grain for G2G, but that's the only time you need to with Vtek.  It's a "no need to shake" tek.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: MMagg]
    #19225338 - 12/04/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Gotcha. I'm not really looking to follow the v-tek, I just wanted another option for grain spawn production.  I think I'll stick with glass.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19225417 - 12/04/13 06:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Gotcha. I'm not really looking to follow the v-tek, I just wanted another option for grain spawn production.  I think I'll stick with glass.





me too, except if for some reason you cant afford a case of petri dishes, then the lil pp5 containers work wonders for no pour agar


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: twistedty]
    #19225518 - 12/04/13 06:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Gotcha. I'm not really looking to follow the v-tek, I just wanted another option for grain spawn production.  I think I'll stick with glass.





me too, except if for some reason you cant afford a case of petri dishes, then the lil pp5 containers work wonders for no pour agar



Thanks for the tip, I'm planning on getting into agar soon so that's really helpful.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19225893 - 12/04/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i find it hard to believe pp5 will out last glass :twocents:



If you ever try to break up your grain only to have your lid pop off, you would stick with glass.  PP5 has been great for no pour agar for me for the last 3 months.  I gave all my quart pp5 to the trash man.



That really sux, maybe that's why violet don't do G2G. Nonetheless ya shoulda recycled that shit.



I mostly don't end up doing much G2G because straight from agar works wonderfully for me for most purposes.  Only when doing scale I do G2G using a single pint container of RGS to expand to like 3 dozen containers.


Firstly,  glass breaks, plastic containers don't.  Only way you'll ruin the containers is by running out of water in your cooker and melting them.  ... Don't do that.


Secondly,  I've broken-up Lots of containers of colonized grain, both pints And quarts.  I have no problem with this.  The 'give' of the containers makes it far easier to break-up its contents than inside glass, with no pain on the hands or without beating against something.  And I've not had lids pop off.  I suggest anyone with that problem is experiencing the wrong/cheap containers or user error.


Sgt. Pepper:
Yep it's true plastic is a bit more expensive per container... at first.  It was never in initial price that it is said to outrun glass. It's in reusability, safety, speed of heat transfer, ease of use, no modifications, ability to grow straight from, and other reasons where plastic excels such as lightness, ease of cleaning, discretion, storage, and multiple uses not just mycologically but in all ways.

"I can buy quart jars for that price and they hold double the spawn!"
If you're "spawning" then it may not seem to make quite as much of a difference to you at a shallow first-glance comparison based on the dollar tag alone.  However you'll end up paying more for that glass over time, as having like fifteen times the mass is quite the opposite of more for one's money when it comes to sterilization.  Not to mention its slightly greater hassles, limited uses, No storage advantages, and guaranteed project losses Plus big dangerous messes when dropped.

I have a big stockpile of jars around.  Guess how often I find a reason to use them?


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19225985 - 12/04/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That really sux, maybe that's why violet don't do G2G. Nonetheless ya shoulda recycled that shit.




There is no recycling center anywhere near where I live.  TBH, I think they are still down in the cupboard.

It was actually funny as hell....That day I was banging my jars on my shoe, and without thinking I grabbed the glad quart and after 2 decent wacks the lid went flying and grain went everywhere.  I have yet to have a glass jar break, or a lid come flying off.  From that point I keep grain spawn in glass, and agar in no pour plastics.




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Thanks for the tip, I'm planning on getting into agar soon so that's really helpful.





No pour agar really opens a door of possibilities that may not have existed, or simply may not be feasible.  I use no-pour with a custom agar recipe because I do not want/need to be ordering biological supplies AND throwing them in my garbage later. 

For my agar, I took PDA, and substituted the dextrose for "Agave Nectar".  250 ml potato broth, 5ml Agave nectar (or less) and 5g agar.  Thus far, clone attempts have been very aggressive on this media.  Entire 2 cup pp5 containers are being covered in less than 14 days.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19226004 - 12/04/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That really sux, maybe that's why violet don't do G2G. Nonetheless ya shoulda recycled that shit.




There is no recycling center anywhere near where I live.  TBH, I think they are still down in the cupboard.

It was actually funny as hell....That day I was banging my jars on my shoe, and without thinking I grabbed the glad quart and after 2 decent wacks the lid went flying and grain went everywhere.  I have yet to have a glass jar break, or a lid come flying off.  From that point I keep grain spawn in glass, and agar in no pour plastics.




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Sgt. Pepper said:

Thanks for the tip, I'm planning on getting into agar soon so that's really helpful.





No pour agar really opens a door of possibilities that may not have existed, or simply may not be feasible.  I use no-pour with a custom agar recipe because I do not want/need to be ordering biological supplies AND throwing them in my garbage later. 

For my agar, I took PDA, and substituted the dextrose for "Agave Nectar".  250 ml potato broth, 5ml Agave nectar (or less) and 5g agar.  Thus far, clone attempts have been very aggressive on this media.  Entire 2 cup pp5 containers are being covered in less than 14 days.



I have only ever broken 1 jar and it was a half pint that I dropped when I was cleaning it with soap. I can live with that. And that's an awesome recipe, I might try it out. Where do you get your agar?


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19226018 - 12/04/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have only ever broken 1 jar and it was a half pint that I dropped when I was cleaning it with soap. I can live with that. And that's an awesome recipe, I might try it out. Where do you get your agar?



I find unsweetened strips of agar at a Korean market place.  I have also ordered it online from places.  Unsweetened and with no preservatives is what you need.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19226248 - 12/04/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have only ever broken 1 jar and it was a half pint that I dropped when I was cleaning it with soap. I can live with that. And that's an awesome recipe, I might try it out. Where do you get your agar?



I find unsweetened strips of agar at a Korean market place.  I have also ordered it online from places.  Unsweetened and with no preservatives is what you need.



Nice, I unfortunately, have no Asian food stores within 20 minutes of me so I may just buy online instead of making the 40 minute round trip. Thank you though.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19228785 - 12/04/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I did a PP5 single quart last week. It wasn't full of grain, it just got filled with the leftover grain in the strainer. It turned out good, no problems.

Today I am giving PP5 quarts an honest chance. I just loaded up the PC, and have discovered a problem already. My AA930 can hold 14 qt glass mason jars. But due to the size of the mouth on the PP5 qts, only 9 will fit in the PC.

Maybe the other merits of plastic will become apparent later, but so far Im starting a project a little over %50 efficiency behind the curve.


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