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America slipping even further in education
    #19224034 - 12/03/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This is almost 3rd world country status...  Why?  What do we need to change?  Should we start adopting some of the same techniques others who are succeeding? 
http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=978874#.Up6XRqlDsXs


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: blood4blood]
    #19224038 - 12/03/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I say we start killing off people who don't meet a certain IQ requirement.


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19224042 - 12/03/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's just chilling... 3rd world? Time to do something.

I think much of it is education itself pandering to its metrics instead of its traditional aim. We teach kids how to remember things and perform on tests to get more money, but we don't teach them INDEPENDENT REASONING SKILLS and that's the key part that's missing IMO.

What do you think needs to change?

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I say we start killing off people who don't meet a certain IQ requirement.




IQ's such a farce (plus or minus).


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: st1llnox] * 1
    #19224051 - 12/03/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i think the "no child left behind" act is a HUGE fucking step in the wrong direction.


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: blood4blood]
    #19224057 - 12/03/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i think the "no child left behind" act is a HUGE fucking step in the wrong direction.




No school left standing, more like. Don't you hate how things that sound really noble and productive to voters often are some of the worst or hardest things to actually do?


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: st1llnox]
    #19224071 - 12/03/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Because of no child left behind my principal would let us all cheat off of each other on standardized tests so we could get more funding...

I never did it because taking tests are easy, I was the first one done with all but one of the OGTs(Ohio Graduation Test) and I scored better than most(all?) of the people that cheated.


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: st1llnox]
    #19224074 - 12/03/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This train wreck was brought to you by the same folks who are now giving us Detroit - America's newest bankrupt city.

Liberalism and suffering marching hand in hand into an uncertain future.


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: mpd]
    #19224081 - 12/03/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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This train wreck was brought to you by the same folks who are now giving us Detroit - America's newest bankrupt city.

Liberalism and suffering marching hand in hand into an uncertain future.



I think they the liberals want a less educated populace more dependent on the State.


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19224083 - 12/03/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Because of no child left behind my principal would let us all cheat off of each other on standardized tests so we could get more funding...

I never did it because taking tests are easy, I was the first one done with all but one of the OGTs(Ohio Graduation Test) and I scored better than most(all?) of the people that cheated.




Wrong answers tend to go viral during cheating, and it wasn't like they were copying off Swedish or Chinese students...


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mpd said:
This train wreck was brought to you by the same folks who are now giving us Detroit - America's newest bankrupt city.

Liberalism and suffering marching hand in hand into an uncertain future.



I think they the liberals want a less educated populace more dependent on the State.




To be fair, salaried welfare-recipient constituents make for very consistent Dem voters.


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: st1llnox]
    #19224138 - 12/03/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What are your thoughts on this type of test being a good representation of how we are doing compared to the rest of the world?


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: blood4blood]
    #19228008 - 12/04/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why do we all care so deeply about this subject? If someone is going to have the drive, their going to go through with it, no matter if their parents push them to or not. I'll bring myself up as an example, even though I am probably a bad one, but My mother was strict as hell when it came to school. At a young age I lost my desire to do any school work. I lost respect for my teachers, because even as a child you can tell if someone is passionate or not. Its rare to come across a teacher who has they're full passion in it, and love what their doing to help make every individual they can achieve their goals. I started out school well, and as time went on, I lost interest. I did just enough to scathe by and got out of there. It was liberating! All I'm trying to say is that when it comes to education, you'll learn if you have the drive and passion for what you're learning. When it comes to the system, though, its hard, because its one way for many. If you ask me, I think its working the way the country wants it to: keeping us dumb, docile, and apathetic; To keep us debating about shit that we have no control over, even if the majority thought one way. Stay classy, and don't ever forget; You're free if you can't see the fence


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: passenger]
    #19228272 - 12/04/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why?  some kids don't have the drive to stop shitting their pants, should we just let them keep shitting their pants??


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: passenger]
    #19228274 - 12/04/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Our problem is we are trying to highly educate every person, that is not possible or realistic.

I don't care what techniques are used, or how much money is spent, some segments of US society are always going to test in the lower portion of the testing scale.


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: qman]
    #19228295 - 12/04/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

all highschoolers want to do is play sports, have sex and do drugs

is that so much to ask?


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: qman]
    #19228303 - 12/04/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You think by 15, when this standardized test was given where trying to "highly educate" them?

I agree with that absolutely in later years of education but not at 15.  These are basic skill sets


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: blood4blood]
    #19228358 - 12/04/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

American kids are extremely smart.

But if we take the average (which includes black ghetto kids and hispanic ghettos kids) the score goes down in the double digits.

This isn't a racist post, it's just a fact. Most of them live in poverty and poverty leads to nothing. Its a sad reality


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: blood4blood]
    #19228359 - 12/04/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You think by 15, when this standardized test was given where trying to "highly educate" them?

I agree with that absolutely in later years of education but not at 15.  These are basic skill sets




I would assume the Chinese and others have already "weeded out" the under-performers by age 15, something the US might want to consider in the future.

Why throw more good money at bad performance?


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: Patlal]
    #19228372 - 12/04/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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American kids are extremely smart.

But if we take the average (which includes black ghetto kids and hispanic ghettos kids) the score goes down in the double digits.

This isn't a racist post, it's just a fact. Most of them live in poverty and poverty leads to nothing. Its a sad reality




That's my point, why waste resources on poor performers. Also, poverty is not a main factor for the poor results, it's culture.


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: blood4blood]
    #19228377 - 12/04/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh god why did I read the comments. The first one just makes my head hurt.


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Re: America slipping even further in education [Re: qman]
    #19228387 - 12/04/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:
American kids are extremely smart.

But if we take the average (which includes black ghetto kids and hispanic ghettos kids) the score goes down in the double digits.

This isn't a racist post, it's just a fact. Most of them live in poverty and poverty leads to nothing. Its a sad reality




That's my point, why waste resources on poor performers. Also, poverty is not a main factor for the poor results, it's culture.




Cultures can change.

These families were raised generation after generation believing that there is no future for them other than poverty or crime.

They need to be given an option, but first we have to get rid of the factors that make them be who they are. Gangs, drugs, discrimation, racism, etc.


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