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What's the deal with pp5?
    #19223885 - 12/03/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So everyone that is a fan of using pp5 plastic rants about how cheap it is compared to jars, but every ziploc twist and loc container I have seen has been at least a dollar per container? What the fuck? I can buy quart jars for that price and they hold double the spawn! I'm in the process of rebuilding my jar collection after I got rid of nearly all of them several months ago and I was hoping that pp5 plastic would be a cheap alternative, but it's not looking that way to me anymore. Am I missing something or what?


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19224248 - 12/03/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I tried using the quart sized ziplock pp5 containers but the bottoms melted in the pressure cooker. I may have added to little water though because my cooker is warped now.
Has anyone had successful attempts with pp5?


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19224256 - 12/03/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

1 quart PP5 holds the same as 1 quart glass bro.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19224274 - 12/03/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

its about personal preference, i prefer glass quart jars for their versatility they never go bad until they break.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: twistedty]
    #19224293 - 12/03/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I just started playing with PP5 myself. If it works out, Ill stop using glass. If nothing else just for the ease of storage.

Im still feeling it all out though. Im not completely sold on the idea.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19224340 - 12/03/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It depends on what your looking for. A quart size PP5 is going to be a similar price as a quart jar, but it could outlast the glass. I have broken a fair amount of quarts in my day, brand does have a role to play of course but a PP5 should hold up for a loooong time. That being said, having just started my first V tek grow, I do prefer the feel and heft of glass.

Of course if your looking for pp5 for agar purposes, ziplock is the wrong brand IMO. Glad is the way to go.

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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19224723 - 12/03/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It depends on what your looking for. A quart size PP5 is going to be a similar price as a quart jar, but it could outlast the glass. I have broken a fair amount of quarts in my day, brand does have a role to play of course but a PP5 should hold up for a loooong time. That being said, having just started my first V tek grow, I do prefer the feel and heft of glass.

Of course if your looking for pp5 for agar purposes, ziplock is the wrong brand IMO. Glad is the way to go.

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i find it hard to believe pp5 will out last glass :twocents:


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: twistedty]
    #19224764 - 12/03/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i find it hard to believe pp5 will out last glass :twocents:



If you ever try to break up your grain only to have your lid pop off, you would stick with glass.  PP5 has been great for no pour agar for me for the last 3 months.  I gave all my quart pp5 to the trash man.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: twistedty]
    #19224768 - 12/03/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It depends on what your looking for. A quart size PP5 is going to be a similar price as a quart jar, but it could outlast the glass. I have broken a fair amount of quarts in my day, brand does have a role to play of course but a PP5 should hold up for a loooong time. That being said, having just started my first V tek grow, I do prefer the feel and heft of glass.

Of course if your looking for pp5 for agar purposes, ziplock is the wrong brand IMO. Glad is the way to go.

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i find it hard to believe pp5 will out last glass :twocents:




I dunno, I have had a few jars go on me just in the last month alone. Doesn't plastic last forever? At any rate I said it could outlast the glass based on theory, but due to the fact that I been using glass a lot longer and really just started with PP5. I could just be talking outta my ass :wink:


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19224773 - 12/03/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i find it hard to believe pp5 will out last glass :twocents:



If you ever try to break up your grain only to have your lid pop off, you would stick with glass.  PP5 has been great for no pour agar for me for the last 3 months.  I gave all my quart pp5 to the trash man.



That really sux, maybe that's why violet don't do G2G. Nonetheless ya shoulda recycled that shit.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19224826 - 12/03/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's not about cost or longevity.... It's about simplicity and usefulness.  Going 100% grain 100% of the time in a container that is simple to use is very efficient in many ways.  Fae is a simple slight twist away. And I have zero problem breaking up grain for G2G, but that's the only time you need to with Vtek.  It's a "no need to shake" tek.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: MMagg]
    #19225338 - 12/04/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Gotcha. I'm not really looking to follow the v-tek, I just wanted another option for grain spawn production.  I think I'll stick with glass.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19225417 - 12/04/13 06:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Gotcha. I'm not really looking to follow the v-tek, I just wanted another option for grain spawn production.  I think I'll stick with glass.





me too, except if for some reason you cant afford a case of petri dishes, then the lil pp5 containers work wonders for no pour agar


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: twistedty]
    #19225518 - 12/04/13 06:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Gotcha. I'm not really looking to follow the v-tek, I just wanted another option for grain spawn production.  I think I'll stick with glass.





me too, except if for some reason you cant afford a case of petri dishes, then the lil pp5 containers work wonders for no pour agar



Thanks for the tip, I'm planning on getting into agar soon so that's really helpful.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19225893 - 12/04/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i find it hard to believe pp5 will out last glass :twocents:



If you ever try to break up your grain only to have your lid pop off, you would stick with glass.  PP5 has been great for no pour agar for me for the last 3 months.  I gave all my quart pp5 to the trash man.



That really sux, maybe that's why violet don't do G2G. Nonetheless ya shoulda recycled that shit.



I mostly don't end up doing much G2G because straight from agar works wonderfully for me for most purposes.  Only when doing scale I do G2G using a single pint container of RGS to expand to like 3 dozen containers.


Firstly,  glass breaks, plastic containers don't.  Only way you'll ruin the containers is by running out of water in your cooker and melting them.  ... Don't do that.


Secondly,  I've broken-up Lots of containers of colonized grain, both pints And quarts.  I have no problem with this.  The 'give' of the containers makes it far easier to break-up its contents than inside glass, with no pain on the hands or without beating against something.  And I've not had lids pop off.  I suggest anyone with that problem is experiencing the wrong/cheap containers or user error.


Sgt. Pepper:
Yep it's true plastic is a bit more expensive per container... at first.  It was never in initial price that it is said to outrun glass. It's in reusability, safety, speed of heat transfer, ease of use, no modifications, ability to grow straight from, and other reasons where plastic excels such as lightness, ease of cleaning, discretion, storage, and multiple uses not just mycologically but in all ways.

"I can buy quart jars for that price and they hold double the spawn!"
If you're "spawning" then it may not seem to make quite as much of a difference to you at a shallow first-glance comparison based on the dollar tag alone.  However you'll end up paying more for that glass over time, as having like fifteen times the mass is quite the opposite of more for one's money when it comes to sterilization.  Not to mention its slightly greater hassles, limited uses, No storage advantages, and guaranteed project losses Plus big dangerous messes when dropped.

I have a big stockpile of jars around.  Guess how often I find a reason to use them?


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19225985 - 12/04/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That really sux, maybe that's why violet don't do G2G. Nonetheless ya shoulda recycled that shit.




There is no recycling center anywhere near where I live.  TBH, I think they are still down in the cupboard.

It was actually funny as hell....That day I was banging my jars on my shoe, and without thinking I grabbed the glad quart and after 2 decent wacks the lid went flying and grain went everywhere.  I have yet to have a glass jar break, or a lid come flying off.  From that point I keep grain spawn in glass, and agar in no pour plastics.




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Thanks for the tip, I'm planning on getting into agar soon so that's really helpful.





No pour agar really opens a door of possibilities that may not have existed, or simply may not be feasible.  I use no-pour with a custom agar recipe because I do not want/need to be ordering biological supplies AND throwing them in my garbage later. 

For my agar, I took PDA, and substituted the dextrose for "Agave Nectar".  250 ml potato broth, 5ml Agave nectar (or less) and 5g agar.  Thus far, clone attempts have been very aggressive on this media.  Entire 2 cup pp5 containers are being covered in less than 14 days.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19226004 - 12/04/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That really sux, maybe that's why violet don't do G2G. Nonetheless ya shoulda recycled that shit.




There is no recycling center anywhere near where I live.  TBH, I think they are still down in the cupboard.

It was actually funny as hell....That day I was banging my jars on my shoe, and without thinking I grabbed the glad quart and after 2 decent wacks the lid went flying and grain went everywhere.  I have yet to have a glass jar break, or a lid come flying off.  From that point I keep grain spawn in glass, and agar in no pour plastics.




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Sgt. Pepper said:

Thanks for the tip, I'm planning on getting into agar soon so that's really helpful.





No pour agar really opens a door of possibilities that may not have existed, or simply may not be feasible.  I use no-pour with a custom agar recipe because I do not want/need to be ordering biological supplies AND throwing them in my garbage later. 

For my agar, I took PDA, and substituted the dextrose for "Agave Nectar".  250 ml potato broth, 5ml Agave nectar (or less) and 5g agar.  Thus far, clone attempts have been very aggressive on this media.  Entire 2 cup pp5 containers are being covered in less than 14 days.



I have only ever broken 1 jar and it was a half pint that I dropped when I was cleaning it with soap. I can live with that. And that's an awesome recipe, I might try it out. Where do you get your agar?


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19226018 - 12/04/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I have only ever broken 1 jar and it was a half pint that I dropped when I was cleaning it with soap. I can live with that. And that's an awesome recipe, I might try it out. Where do you get your agar?



I find unsweetened strips of agar at a Korean market place.  I have also ordered it online from places.  Unsweetened and with no preservatives is what you need.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19226248 - 12/04/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I have only ever broken 1 jar and it was a half pint that I dropped when I was cleaning it with soap. I can live with that. And that's an awesome recipe, I might try it out. Where do you get your agar?



I find unsweetened strips of agar at a Korean market place.  I have also ordered it online from places.  Unsweetened and with no preservatives is what you need.



Nice, I unfortunately, have no Asian food stores within 20 minutes of me so I may just buy online instead of making the 40 minute round trip. Thank you though.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19228785 - 12/04/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I did a PP5 single quart last week. It wasn't full of grain, it just got filled with the leftover grain in the strainer. It turned out good, no problems.

Today I am giving PP5 quarts an honest chance. I just loaded up the PC, and have discovered a problem already. My AA930 can hold 14 qt glass mason jars. But due to the size of the mouth on the PP5 qts, only 9 will fit in the PC.

Maybe the other merits of plastic will become apparent later, but so far Im starting a project a little over %50 efficiency behind the curve.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19228881 - 12/04/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I did a PP5 single quart last week. It wasn't full of grain, it just got filled with the leftover grain in the strainer. It turned out good, no problems.

Today I am giving PP5 quarts an honest chance. I just loaded up the PC, and have discovered a problem already. My AA930 can hold 14 qt glass mason jars. But due to the size of the mouth on the PP5 qts, only 9 will fit in the PC.

Maybe the other merits of plastic will become apparent later, but so far Im starting a project a little over %50 efficiency behind the curve.



I went to Walmart today and I compared all of the plastic containers to classic glass quart jars. My pc can hold 7 quarts in glass, the best pp5 container would fit like 3 quarts. Boo! So I bought some quart jars:cool:


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19228905 - 12/04/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

part of the pp5 secret , is that ya load em loose, and 1/3 full,
this allows for fast hot clean PC, without over cooking,
enabling you to use grass seed and delicate high energy subs.

small clean batches, are lower energy,
less heat, less time, and less contams.

if ya do see a contam, its isolated fast and easy.

since they are smaller, and not over cooked, they dont clump,
so they colonize nicely, no shake fast.

its a diff dynamic than jars.
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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19228950 - 12/04/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah,  you see a lighter load in the cooker is one of the reasons why times are shorter. Jars are a lot of mass and the huge clumps of grain within are large too.

You'll cook your jars for 90 minutes.  I'd cook a quart container for 45-50.  That plenty makes up for what you think of as being 50% behind the efficiency curve.

Plastic works quick.
Everyone is so used to sterilizing agar for 45 minutes in jars, but I cook it for 25 individuated into agar containers.

I also have a large stock of quart jars, but guess how often they end up being used?
Fewer containers in a cooker becomes "so what" when I still feel like I'm running so few of such short cooker runs.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Violet]
    #19229011 - 12/04/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

But two cooker runs that are half the time equals the same amount of time. 45 minutes +45 minutes=90minutes. And that's if I can fit half the spawn, and not including warm up and cool down times which are very significant. It takes my pc 15 minutes to warm up and 45 minutes to cool down if I don't take the rocker off. That's an extra hour to pc the same amount of grains. Filling the pc and doing less cycles is more efficient than doing many small cycles. I respect your opinions and your methods, but what works for some does not work for others.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Violet]
    #19229017 - 12/04/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

keep in mind,
several smaller cookers, in cycle, will outrun one giant one.
this opens up new avenues for cooking possibilities.

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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19229040 - 12/04/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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keep in mind,
several smaller cookers, in cycle, will outrun one giant one.
this opens up new avenues for cooking possibilities.

enable your grow, dont limit it.



And cost a ton! My presto 16 quart pc from Walmart cost me $70! I don't have the money to buy several of those and cycle them! I mean yeah, of course having more pressure cookers will get shit done faster than having one, but the cost of that would not be worth the time I would save by a long shot.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19229097 - 12/04/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

cool.
then it shouldnt be much of an issue for ya in the end.

those who need hundreds of containers fast, might need 2 cookers.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19229110 - 12/04/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Its hard to convert from bulk
When we only had 16 and 23 quarts cookers
to tell us that the future is not in larger cookers,
but in multiple smaller cookers.

Its a hard pill to swallow
no matter what you coat it with.
Is it really more cost effective
to run a pair of canning cooker versus a single?



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of course having more pressure cookers will get shit done faster than having one



QFT.

Having more than one of most things will certainly aid in completion.  Sharks for example.....Nevermind totally OT....

There is efficiency in having one large PC versus a pair of smaller ones....  As Sgt. pointed out...there is nothing better than a PC that can fit a quart jar upright.  Yes, having 2 cookers would certainly save time, but I hate to say that in this comparison size is irrelevant.  Yes, 2 smaller = one larger for this example, but the cost of using 2 burners is more than one.  In the end you may break even.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19229121 - 12/04/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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cool.
then it shouldnt be much of an issue for ya in the end.

those who need hundreds of containers fast, might need 2 cookers.



Naw, I'm only working in the double digits for now :wink: I'm a very calculating person and I like to see all angles of something before I do it, and frankly pp5 just doesn't seem as efficient as good old jars for my circumstances. For you it might be great, but I don't love the idea. Maybe I'll try it one day but for now I'll stick with good old glass.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19229137 - 12/04/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

difference is in cycling, limited down time,
advantage, with PP5 , is in the burn time being shorter.

its a scale-able versatility factor.

for that matter, id rather have one no seal AA, than 3 seal cookers, any size...seal blowout factor over hundreds of containers, and time, would negate 2 of em.

as said, if your only doing 50 or so, who cares, use a micro cooker.
ya wanna burn thru hundreds, get more cookers.

big or small PP5 has a fast cook advantage.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19229141 - 12/04/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Pepper, you're missing that you can fit more than Half of the grain in a cooker run of Half the time.
16 pint containers, or 8 quart containers, gets more grain cooked in 90min at pressure than 7 quart jars.
The cooker runs much more steadily too, instead of taking much longer to sink-in the heat at a higher setting when containing several pounds of glass.

You seemed so sure, yet there's actually no way you can successfully pitch that using glass is more efficient than plastic.
Simple math with specific heat factoring shows that plastic wins all-around.

Your point about buying effective volume only goes so far as effective volume, and even in that it's even at best.
The reasons to pick one or the other aren't just how much gets done in time at pressure when it can be the same either way.
The main point is that you cannot do an effective complete grow with quart jars alone like you can containers, and plastic ensures safety and longevity with the advantages of easy storage, multiple uses, discretion, lightness, etc etc.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Violet]
    #19229149 - 12/04/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

some stuff violet, they just have to see.
ill be honest, we played with plastic for a while in various ways,
before we really understood the many advantages.

once ya realize how easy the stuff cooks.........
and handling.
its like OMG i shoulda had this shit years ago.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Violet]
    #19229165 - 12/04/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Pepper, you're missing that you can fit more than Half of the grain in a cooker run of Half the time.
16 pint containers, or 8 quart containers, gets more grain cooked in 90min at pressure than 7 quart jars.
The cooker runs much more steadily too, instead of taking much longer to sink-in the heat at a higher setting when containing several pounds of glass.

You seemed so sure, yet there's actually no way you can successfully pitch that using glass is more efficient than plastic.
Simple math with specific heat factoring shows that plastic wins all-around.

Your point about buying effective volume only goes so far as effective volume, and even in that it's even at best.
The reasons to pick one or the other aren't just how much gets done in time at pressure when it can be the same either way.
The main point is that you cannot do an effective complete grow with jars alone like you can containers, and plastic ensures safety and longevity with the advantages of easy storage, multiple uses, discretion, lightness, etc etc.



Fair enough, I guess I might just have to try it. I was planning on moving away from cubes for the most part and switching to pan cyans and sclerotia, but I may just have a couple of pp5 containers full of cube spawn in the near future. I respect you and your tek and I really shouldn't criticize before having tried it. To be honest, before you explained to me how ge happens in a pp5 container I tried drilling a hole in the lid of a few that I bought, but I broke the lids:facepalm3: so maybe I'm just a little butthurt about that. Haha.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19229360 - 12/04/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Expensiveness is a moot point for anyone with amazon prime. You can buy 30 ziplock twist n lock pint jars for $25. Free 2 day shipping. Around here Mason jars cost 20-25 bucks for 12 whatever the size.

The main reason I decided to go with pp5 plastic is shorter pc time. Cutting down the pc time to 45-60 min will save money and make multiple runs a day easier to accomplish.


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    #19229838 - 12/05/13 01:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, I always see a dozen glass quarts for around 11 dollars locally.

I had some OI in glass quarts that were a couple months old, due to being too wet. When I couldn't wait for G2G any longer, I had to break them up. That was a lot like work! Think of golf balls and RGS packed into overfilled glass quarts. So eventually I quit beating it on the rug and tried the thick and padded carpet. After a while I damn near lost some fingers on the thing when it broke around the neck. Next up, fruiting in a vacuum cleaner. Thankfully, I had a death grip around the lid ring only. My partner somehow even managed to pop off a couple rings. The hell!

But to be fair, you can (well, I can) crack a PP5 too. Have to be pretty aggressive, but it can be done. Same deal with the lids. If you all but try to break one or pop one off, you can. I use mostly PP5 now. I hate lid mods, like the pinning chamber the lid makes (does the blue lid help this?), like how fast they cool, like how they stack, like the shorter runs, and love how easy they clean up. To each their own.

Ooh yea, depending on your cooker, you might can stack them up on top of each other. 9 may turn into 18 at a time. Hope that helps. Peace.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19230218 - 12/05/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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before you explained to me how ge happens in a pp5 container I tried drilling a hole in the lid of a few that I bought, but I broke the lids:facepalm3: so maybe I'm just a little butthurt about that. Haha.



I use a hot nail for my PP5 GE port.  I figured that a drill would lead to cracking, where the melting actually reinforces itself.  I have yet to have a single lid crack. 

After melting a small hole in the lid, I then stuff with polyfill THEN I singe both ends (With a lighter) so that they are solid plastic nubs on either side, but still allow for GE through the hole.  They are not melted to the lid, just shrunk up.  This modification that I have done allows for us to not worry about how tight the lid is, and what COULD creep in around the threads of the lid.  It also allows for evaporation of the condensation.  I am sure that the hole created is a weak point, but it is certainly stronger than a drilled hole.

Someone here made a comment about how they wished they had pp5 years ago.  I can assure all of us that PP5 is not a new thing.  Users about these forums have been using them for years. 
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/13479170

Here a great "blast from the past".  Barakanaten had all his lids made before most of us ever used a single plastic cup.  Should we call plastic cups with ge ports "B-tek"?

I understand that the argument is that "there is no need for a ge port".  I will not disagree.  I can see that loosening a lid slightly CAN allow for gas exchange.  A GE port does the same thing better, and I don't mind spending 2 extra minutes to make something slightly better.


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    #19230335 - 12/05/13 08:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Barakanaten had all his lids made before most of us ever used a single plastic cup.





im my case, we had polycarbonate and PP5 labware,
clear back in the early 80s.

mid 90s we started using it regularly,
as price and availability changed, and new sizes came available.

about 2003-2004, we essentially discontinued glass.

i dont think any one is "inventing" PP5 use.
as it pre dates us all, and has been in labs for decades.

ive seen it used in limited ways for some time on forums.
others have tried it.

what IS new, is v tek is updated oss and oeric basics, using fert RGS, plastics, and in some cases , blue lights, and bottom watering in combo.
oss and oeric, didnt have the equipment choices, we do today.

i always find it amazing,
trolls and noobs claim this tek is untested.
its based on one of the original teks , and solid lab work.

my group simply has extensive long term experience with the stuff,
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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19233829 - 12/05/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I took my plastic out of the PC today and did some G2G transfers. Here's my findings so far:

Pro's:

-The grain transfers were especially easy. Im not saying that grain transfers are hard with glass jars mind you. But the general shape of the PP5 containers made the transfers smoother than normal. And that last bit of grain for that very last transfer in a glass jar, the one that hangs up on the shoulder of the jar...not an issue, it all just slides right out.

-Shaking the grain was very easy on my transfer jar. No banging. No phone book/tire/roll of duct tape. A couple of taps on the palm of my hand, and it was all loose.

Con's:

-Some of the bottoms of my containers warped. They still held up. But the bottoms on a few of them are not flat anymore. Surprisingly it was only the jars sitting on the top trivet that this happened to. And it was only about 3 of them.

-These containers dont stack well. You would think that due to their design, this would be a non issue. Historically I stack my glass 2-3 high while colonizing. Ive got these 3 high now, and I will be moving them into individual boxes. Overall they are "wobbly" when stacked. Nothing would probably tip them over, but Im not going to chance it.

-Im still not happy with the idea of only fitting 9 of these things in my PC. My schedule is tight, and I usually have to cook grain one day, PC the next, and then wait to do G2G the day after that. Its a 3 day process every time. And when I fire up the flow hood, I would rather inoculate 14 jars than 9.



I havent written plastic off yet. I see some of its merit. But Im still not sold on the idea, and Im not sure if its right for me.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19234165 - 12/05/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like you got some funny off-brand containers.
I have to be mindful when carrying a stack of them around, but the ziplocs usually sit stacked 3 to 7 tall on my shelf.
Also I have never gotten a warped container without having run out of water during the cook.  In all of my many I've only had a handful of warped containers and they were all due to accidentally running out of water... I've learned my lesson now.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Violet]
    #19234831 - 12/06/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

They are zip-loc brand. And there was water left in the bottom of the PC.

:dumbass: Come on now...Ive done this a few times before.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19235071 - 12/06/13 03:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I took my plastic out of the PC today and did some G2G transfers. Here's my findings so far:

Pro's:

-The grain transfers were especially easy. Im not saying that grain transfers are hard with glass jars mind you. But the general shape of the PP5 containers made the transfers smoother than normal. And that last bit of grain for that very last transfer in a glass jar, the one that hangs up on the shoulder of the jar...not an issue, it all just slides right out.

-Shaking the grain was very easy on my transfer jar. No banging. No phone book/tire/roll of duct tape. A couple of taps on the palm of my hand, and it was all loose.

Con's:

-Some of the bottoms of my containers warped. They still held up. But the bottoms on a few of them are not flat anymore. Surprisingly it was only the jars sitting on the top trivet that this happened to. And it was only about 3 of them.

-These containers dont stack well. You would think that due to their design, this would be a non issue. Historically I stack my glass 2-3 high while colonizing. Ive got these 3 high now, and I will be moving them into individual boxes. Overall they are "wobbly" when stacked. Nothing would probably tip them over, but Im not going to chance it.

-Im still not happy with the idea of only fitting 9 of these things in my PC. My schedule is tight, and I usually have to cook grain one day, PC the next, and then wait to do G2G the day after that. Its a 3 day process every time. And when I fire up the flow hood, I would rather inoculate 14 jars than 9.



I havent written plastic off yet. I see some of its merit. But Im still not sold on the idea, and Im not sure if its right for me.




i want you to pc pp5 plastic containers 100x plus like i have my glass quart reg mouth jars and tell me they are the same shape/consistency as my glass jars. and thats with me beating the fuck out of them on my hands,tires, or phone books and tell me they hold up the same.

100 bucks says they wont last near as long as glass period.

glass jars will last a hell of alot longer in the long run.

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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: twistedty]
    #19235072 - 12/06/13 03:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

and that includes me sterilizing grains in the same jars i pasteurize in also.

i find it hard to believe.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19235413 - 12/06/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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They are zip-loc brand. And there was water left in the bottom of the PC.
: dumbass : Come on now...Ive done this a few times before.



Am I wrong in recalling that the point here is that you've Not dealt with these plastic containers before?
Don't be a dick calling me a dumbass.  I could easily turn around and call you one for being so assured of yourself despite messing up the good containers somehow when it's proven they survive proper PC without error.

I've had containers that have for sure been PC'd over 70 times. They still have their perfect shape just right and lids go on and off perfectly.
Only visible wear is scratches from occasionally using scrubbies to clean them.

Of the ~300 containers I have and the probably 15-20 cooker runs they've had on average, estimating a total of ~4000 runs amongst them for the lot,  I have NEVER, NEVER, EVER warped Ziploc containers without having the heat too high too long with too little water.

Melting/warping a container in a proper cook is like a marijuana overdose.

Try again.
I'm glad you like those pros of them.  The 'cons' are not the container's doing so if you get that worked out you'll get to fully enjoy the pros.


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100 bucks says they wont last near as long as glass period.
glass jars will last a hell of alot longer in the long run.
guaranteed.



Is this to me?
If so, PM me to get my address so you can send me that $100.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Violet]
    #19235465 - 12/06/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i have PP5 containers from 2003 that i still use.
the durability is outstanding

the only mystery here,
is why peeps who unable to boil plastics,
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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Violet]
    #19235556 - 12/06/13 08:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Now, I've always been a big advocate of glass in general. Especially the jar. Airtight stash for almost anything. But it has one major weakness. You drop that shit in the kitchen and you better have shoes on. Even then, there always seems to be the elusive shard just waiting, viciously hiding. I haven't dropped a whole dozen yet, somehow.

If someone was inclined to try a Violet TEK, like myself, there wouldn't be any violent shaking needed on the vast majority of PP5's (as long as you don't let your spawn turn to rubber). Especially if spawning from glass, and loading rather light, as I do. So that's not going to wear them out.

twistedty, I've cooked many of them and never had a problem with them melting. Sometimes they stick together when stacked up in there, but that's kind of neat and not really a problem. I work on a smaller propane stove and crank it all the way up until it's fully pressurized. You have the spacer in the bottom of your PC, right? My only other thought would be to turn the heat down a little.

Once someone has experience with PP5, I think they would on average last longer than glass. Peace.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: LungCheeseFungus]
    #19235697 - 12/06/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't be a dick calling me a dumbass.




You miss take my tone. I'm not attacking you.

Quote:

Am I wrong in recalling that the point here is that you've Not dealt with these plastic containers before?




You're not wrong. As I stated earlier, I'm giving them an honest try. What I wrote is what my experience thus far has been.

Further, I'm not a new grower. I know how my PC works. The only new component here is the plastic.


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    #19235714 - 12/06/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

and yet, many of us have no issue...........

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    #19235822 - 12/06/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I prefer glass than plastic, the reason being is they are more earth friendly. PP5 can't be recycled at every recycling facility thus I find it to be garbage. The return rate on PP5 is hovering at about 50-60%, while glass is 100% recyclable. I've only had one jar break on me and that was because it was soapy and it slipped. But somewhere in this world those glass pieces were recycled and made into something else.

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    #19235874 - 12/06/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I prefer glass than plastic, the reason being is they are more earth friendly. PP5 can't be recycled at every recycling facility thus I find it to be garbage. The return rate on PP5 is hovering at about 50-60%, while glass is 100% recyclable. I've only had one jar break on me and that was because it was soapy and it slipped. But somewhere in this world those glass pieces were recycled and made into something else.

I only use pp5 for leftovers...:super:




and yet, the extra energy used over the life of your glass,
is ignored..........

ill assume ya use mercury tube lights in your grow also.

cherry picking green, isnt green really. its green washing.
your grow green factor, is measured by total energy, waste,
and usable lifespan.

running an energy hog grow, and making recyclable glass,
your cornerstone of green, is narrow indeed.

fact remains, pP5 is recyclable
the return rate is low, cuz it lasts.
something NOT recycled, cuz its still in use,
hence, the savings increase.


peeps often only see the short term.
many peeps, will move residence during their lifetime hobby.
sometimes, many moves.

a massive PP5 farm, can go in a hockey bag,
and be kicked to a new place.
a similar glass farm, is a bitch to move.

keep in mind , in desperate moments,
a PP5 farm, can not only move fast, but it can be destroyed.

noise factor , means little to barn growers.
urban growers, know if your apt sounds like a resturaunt,
its NOT good..............think they cant hear your case of jars?
they do, but it sounds like normal household.
now try washing and racking 10 cases or more.
its a big noise deal on glass in urban areas.
pp5, makes ya a 500 cup ninja.

i used glass for the first 20 yrs of growing.
last 15 we shifted to all plastic.
i consider it one of my best top 5 grow decisions EVER.


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    #19235947 - 12/06/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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anne halonium said:
Quote:

nn-IlliniSpiralDMT said:
I prefer glass than plastic, the reason being is they are more earth friendly. PP5 can't be recycled at every recycling facility thus I find it to be garbage. The return rate on PP5 is hovering at about 50-60%, while glass is 100% recyclable. I've only had one jar break on me and that was because it was soapy and it slipped. But somewhere in this world those glass pieces were recycled and made into something else.

I only use pp5 for leftovers...:super:




and yet, the extra energy used over the life of your glass,
is ignored..........

ill assume ya use mercury tube lights in your grow also.

cherry picking green, isnt green really. its green washing.
your grow green factor, is measured by total energy, waste,
and usable lifespan.

the return rate is low, cuz it lasts.
something NOT recycled, cuz its still in use,
hence, the savings increase.




Extra energy is not ignored, even if I have were to PC pp5 I would still PC them for 60-90 minutes, I've gotten away with PCing my glass jars for 45 minutes, I just like to be extra careful. On top of that I read that only a small amount of pp5 containers can fit in a PC and you even said to use double the PCs to compensate, well by definition then you are not really not saving any energy but rather using more for the same results. Regardless what you say plastic NEVER decomposes or degrades in ANY SHAPE OR FORM. The first plastic invented is still garbage and will always be garbage, that's were the GREEN factor comes in MAM. My glass can be recycled and reused an infinite amount of times while your containers are stuck in a landfill or ocean somewhere. I don't care that I use more energy to PC that's my choice, just likes it is my choice to not buy plastic items if I can avoid it. I use hemp shopping bags, I buy natural toothpaste in a non plastic container, I buy glass maple syrup containers... I try to avoid plastic. Growing mushrooms is a hobby, while being eco friendly is my lifestyle. I'm not knocking the PP5 containers, just merely giving my opinion. Whatever works for you...works for you, I can't deny that.


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    #19235972 - 12/06/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

likewise.

small style infrequent cultivators,
can do about anything, and it doesnt matter alot.

those interested in serious scale, in urban environments,
and are concerned with , heat, power, time and green factors,
the choices become a big deal.


grow equip engineering, is not universal,
and it shouldnt be.
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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19235974 - 12/06/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

alright lets all just use aluminum containers. They're more recyclable than glass. They use less water to recycle than glass, they weigh less than glass so saves energy on freight, more people recycle aluminum than glass, most aluminum is more than 60% recycled unless virgin aluminum is used for a specific application, you can't see through it so you'll have to wait for full colonization times and not fuck with your jars too often which teaches patience, aluminum will conduct heat better, and finally you'll never break that shit when you shake your grains and it's never going to deform in a PC.


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    #19235996 - 12/06/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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alright lets all just use aluminum containers. They're more recyclable than glass. They use less water to recycle than glass, they weigh less than glass so saves energy on freight, more people recycle aluminum than glass, most aluminum is more than 60% recycled unless virgin aluminum is used for a specific application, you can't see through it so you'll have to wait for full colonization times and not fuck with your jars too often which teaches patience, aluminum will conduct heat better, and finally you'll never break that shit when you shake your grains and it's never going to deform in a PC.




Too bad the mycelium would eat right through those:curbyourenthusiasm:
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    #19236019 - 12/06/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19236024 - 12/06/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

bods being funny.
i know he knows better.

if peeps like glass, its fine, it does work.
small grows it may have advantage sometimes.

thing is, theres a breakthru/ stall point,
as grows progress from small to scale,
and in scale grows, there are logistics issues.

this is where equip, teks, and grow engineering count.
and choices, make BIG difference, in time, and energy, in scale.

ironically , my preference for everything is polycabronate.
and i have alot of it.
an entire polycarbonate scale farm, would exceed even my $ ......
oh who am i kidding, i also have a polycarbonate farm,
point is, i use the PP5 mostly cuz.......well the polycarbonate is kinda too cool to scratch.lol.

polycarbonate, is kinda like "the good china" here.

( shhhhh, although i dont use it, i secretly have a full set of 36 of 1/2pint shorts, 36 pint shorts , 36 pint talls, and 36 quarts, all in cases, packed with foam.............)




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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19236066 - 12/06/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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bodhisatta said:
:epicfailguy:
right,
shit.




Quote:

anne halonium said:
bods being funny.
i know he knows better.

if peeps like glass, its fine, it does work.
small grows it may have advantage sometimes.

thing is, theres a breakthru/ stall point,
as grows progress from small to scale,
and in scale grows, there are logistics issues.

this is where equip, teks, and grow engineering count.
and choices, make BIG difference, in time, and energy, in scale.

ironically , my preference for everything is polycabronate.
and i have alot of it.
an entire polycarbonate scale farm, would exceed even my $ ......
oh who am i kidding, i also have a polycarbonate farm,
point is, i use the PP5 mostly cuz.......well the polycarbonate is kinda too cool to scratch.lol.






I know he is just joking, I was just pulling his tale a little:lmafo:

Exactly Anne, I understand you have a large op, but for us that do maybe 20-30 quarts a month, it's just easier to use glass. I respect the pp5:thumbup: and the V-tek. By the way I really do like the V-tek name, whoever coined it that.

To each their own, I am here for the science:super:


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19236091 - 12/06/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

v tek seemed a natural choice, as violet did so well in presentation.

im less against things than peeps think.
im for grow, and for experimentation,
and for clean, and best equip choices.

i also appreciate,
all grows are different.
in 35 yrs, ive used many styles.

i always ask you to ask yourselves,
" is this best for me, and why, and am i doing my best for a quality grow?"

if peeps do that, we would have alot less issues,
and we would see alot more choices in equipment and teks.

a scale barn grow is fine.
a scale apt grow is fine.
thinking one tek, and set of equip, works for both?
thats not fine. we need both glass and plastic, for the right ap!
and thats kinda where im at.........


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19236277 - 12/06/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Either Anne is back on her meds, or she found better quality drugs :lol: Keep this up and your gonna lose you place at the top of the ignore list.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19236325 - 12/06/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Pastywhyte said:
Keep this up and your gonna lose you place at the top of the ignore list.




at least have the decency to make a stand in sock puppet,
so my numbers dont dive.

:rabble::rabble::rabble::rabble:

never thought id use this sentence.........
" im concerned about my dwindling ostrich reserves"


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19236415 - 12/06/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:lolsy:


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19236573 - 12/06/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Keep this up and your gonna lose you place at the top of the ignore list.



When it stops with the haiku style posts, than I will unblock it.  I think the format of its posts is dreadful.  Clear and concise wording is much more helpful than the random and at times cryptic posts.  We sit on this post and talk about how "efficient" our processes are, but don't you wonder....How much MORE effort is taken to make a post in that bonkers format than to simply use basic sentence structure.  It makes taking someone serious impossible.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19236779 - 12/06/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

But that is exactly the reason not to block I mean seriously, are you not entertained? :lmafo:


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19236886 - 12/06/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Pastywhyte said:
Keep this up and your gonna lose you place at the top of the ignore list.



When it stops with the haiku style posts




some like it,
some dont.
some learn, some wont.

my style is my own,
with some peeps , not needed,
if i change my show,
its ostrich depleted!


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19237036 - 12/06/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"is this best for me, and why, and am i doing my best for a quality grow?"

I believe it is this outlook that can be so beneficial in every aspect of life. You got to stop everything sometimes, and take a step back and see the big picture. Find out exactly what you want, and the best way for you to get there. Coincidentally, this is the nature of the hobby.

And I for one find this particular writing style intriguing, though a little vague on occasion. I love diversity, the spice of life! My personality is very precise and defined. Absurdly curious. But hey, we got PMs.

If I was rockin' a mini grow for my personal musement (Is that a word yet?), I would have no interest in PP5. But I'm not, and I do. Not everyone will. No biggie. Again, I love diversity. Peace.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: LungCheeseFungus]
    #19237064 - 12/06/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

if i was advising a absolute broke noob,
operating under his bed in a trailer park somewhere.

id say this, and im totally serious......

"look around , and scheme / scam some glass of various sizes first.
dont pay a coin.
master a basic tek, with free glass,
in the meantime,
figure out how to get PP5 and polycarbonate,
as cheap and as easy , and as plentiful as ya can.
maybe even raid recyclables."

and then, with some knowledge,
build the mobile stealth plastic farm from hell.
customized, for your production needs.


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    #19237307 - 12/06/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Plastic was invented by the devil.


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    #19237316 - 12/06/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Plastic was invented by the devil.




geez,
just jump in front of the news cam and say " hi mom"...........


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    #19238373 - 12/06/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Plastic was invented by the devil.



:curbyourenthusiasm: I'd have to agree!


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19239692 - 12/07/13 06:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

and yet, many consider the PP5 cup,
" the holy grail" :christ:

im sorry ecclesiastic plastics,
throw you into a satanic panic.
far from fantastic, its kinda manic.

those really worried about satan and PP5,
can always hydrate in their grains in holy water.

:lmafo: its PP5 peeps , not PP666


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19289481 - 12/17/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In the last 2 weeks I have cooked 36 various sized plastic and glass containers.  The glass ball containers in the quarter pint and half pint size have quite a deal less condensation then the plastic counterparts.  All containers had a poly-fill ge port.  I think that the glass is insulating and causes cooling to take longer, resulting in much less pooling.

I have a very nice medley of plastic widemouth and small mouth lids that are working great.  I advise a side-by-side by anyone doing no-pour teks.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19289501 - 12/17/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I successfully did 10 PP5 quart jars of P.Pulmonaris. They colonized quickly and and contamination free. They were spawned to buckets a few days ago, and I have since reloaded the jars.

Im still not completely sold on the idea yet. But so far its working out. Ill also admit that I went down and got another 10 quart twist'n'Locs today.


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Re: What's the deal with pp5? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19289614 - 12/17/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

obviously were having fun now.

its sorta amazing how many peeps ,
have adapted to PP5.
good job, good job.

now, lets save energy, save wastage ,
and be sharp on recycling,
and grow grow grow!

in the new age, you can do that.


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