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redrocket
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Found some beautifull San Pedros for a great price
#19223884 - 12/03/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So i was at a plant store the other day and all of a sudden to my surprise i saw a bunch of Trichocereus Pachanoi. They were all between 12 and 14 inch and VERY thick and the price was just 15 Euros a piece. I asked the store manager if they were sprayed with pesticides because i wanted to make a tea of them and he said they were not and that i could ingest them without a worry so i bought 6 of them. He also said they were grown in Portugal without fertilizer or pesticides, just the sun and water.
Now since this was a normal plant store and not some sort of smartshop i guess these were meant for decoration and i just read that some decoration San Pedros are so weak they are more or less inactive. So before i buy more and watch them grow i want to know if these are active. Would it be a good idea to eat the biggest or are they too young? And should i put them in bigger pots?
I'm a complete newbie with cacti, last year i took 50 gr. of dried peruvian torch that i ordered from the internet and nothing happened and i kind of gave up on cacti but i want to experience mescaline so bad i want to give it another try. The only thing i'm a little worried about is that they were sprayed and the seller is not aware of it since they were grown in another country as a decoration plant, who knows, but i think i'll take the risk. Dont they look nice?
Edited by redrocket (12/03/13 07:52 PM)
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Re: Found some beautifull San Pedros for a great price [Re: redrocket]
#19224090 - 12/03/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those aren't the weak type, those go by the name of PC pachanoi, PC standing for Predominant Cultivar. The ones you have are real pachanoi or Ecuadorian pachanoi. Usually consistant and higher mescaline than the PC pachanoi.
And yes, they look great.
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Re: Found some beautifull San Pedros for a great price [Re: karode13]
#19224136 - 12/03/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those are gorgeous. I wish I could get my cacti to grow that dense from seed. It's hard to judge scale when looking at photos online, but those look massive. Respect.
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Re: Found some beautifull San Pedros for a great price [Re: redrocket]
#19224442 - 12/03/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those are some great specimens, nice purchase. If I was you I would let them grow big and have patience, it will be well worth it when you have the satisfaction of watching them grow. Then you can leave the base of the cactus to grow pups.
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redrocket
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Re: Found some beautifull San Pedros for a great price [Re: Horizon]
#19224905 - 12/03/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah the biggest is 14 inch and as thick as a wine bottle. I think i'm going to eat the big one to see if they make me trip. I wanna buy a few more before they are sold out but i dont want to waste money. If i wait and after a year they turn out to be too weak i'd be pretty dissapointed. Can i eat the big one or do young cacti not contain enough mescaline for a trip?
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Re: Found some beautifull San Pedros for a great price [Re: redrocket]
#19224945 - 12/03/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not entirely sure there is any literature or other evidence about the variation of mescaline content of older and younger cactus. You will just have to try it yourself. I read somewhere that you can inject certain precursors of mescaline such as tyrosine into the cactus or the substrate to increase its alkaloid content. I will try to find the literature that had the details of that tomorrow if you are interested.
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Re: Found some beautifull San Pedros for a great price [Re: Horizon]
#19224961 - 12/03/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I found it, it is a paper from Erowid.
" Chemical doping - There has been some pioneering work in this area done by Adam Gottlieb.
Increasing the levels of the precursors that lead to mescaline has proven to be a relatively quick and effective way to significantly increase the level of mescaline in a Cactus. There are three major precursors to mescaline, namely dopa, tyramine and dopamine. During mescaline synthesis in the plant, tyrosine is broken down into tyramine and dopa. These then combine to form dopamine, which is later converted to nor-mescaline, and of course mescaline.
It is possible to take advantage of this synthesis route, and use it to vastly increase the mescaline content of the Cactus that will be harvested.
This method can be used successfully on any mescaline bearing Cacti. The steps are as follows:
1. Withhold water from the plant 2 weeks prior to doping. This helps the plant to absorb any injected material more readily.
2. Prepare a saturated solution of free-base dopamine in a .05 N solution of HCL. If dopamine is not available a second best alternative is to use a mixture of tyramine and dopa.
3. Inject approximately 5cc of the solution, half towards the bottom of the plant by the roots. Inject the other half into the green tissue at the base of the plant, and in several other spots up the stem. Do this slowly ,carefully, leaving the needle in place for a few seconds to allow absorption.
4. Wait 4 to 8 weeks before harvest to let the additives metabolize and convert to mescaline. I would not stress the plant during this period, as an actively growing plant is necessary for efficient metabolism.
5. The harvest can be delayed further and a series of booster injections can be given every 6 - 8 weeks to bolster alkaloid levels even more.
Unfortunately many of these precursor compounds are hard to come by or controlled."
I have seen a couple mescaline precursors for sale at health stores as supplements or some of these can be relatively easily synthesized so this is actually a very feasible process to conduct. Note that I personally have never tried this and this is a relatively recent idea so you would be a pioneer trying this as far as I know. I would predict that this method can in fact increase alkaloid levels because the chemistry and the metabolic process of the cactus makes sense.
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Edited by Horizon (12/03/13 11:53 PM)
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Re: Found some beautifull San Pedros for a great price [Re: Horizon]
#19225043 - 12/04/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Poor cacti being subjected to all that
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Re: Found some beautifull San Pedros for a great price [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#19225061 - 12/04/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wouldn't consider doing that to my cacti, but I don't plan on ingesting them anytime in the next decade, so I am not concerned about potency. However I am intrigued by chemistry and this just caught my eye while reading online one day, it is actually very interesting.
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Re: Found some beautifull San Pedros for a great price [Re: redrocket]
#19225131 - 12/04/13 01:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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redrocket said: Can i eat the big one or do young cacti not contain enough mescaline for a trip?
It's not a young cactus, it's actually a cutting(clone) from a mature plant and should be just as potent as the mother plant. It's just new growth that has been propagated.
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redrocket
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Re: Found some beautifull San Pedros for a great price [Re: karode13]
#19225306 - 12/04/13 04:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's not a young cactus, it's actually a cutting(clone) from a mature plant and should be just as potent as the mother plant. It's just new growth that has been propagated.
OK, that sounds good. So 14 inch should be enough for a decent trip? Lets hope its good cacti.
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Re: Found some beautifull San Pedros for a great price [Re: redrocket]
#19225478 - 12/04/13 06:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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redrocket said: The only thing i'm a little worried about is that they were sprayed and the seller is not aware of it since they were grown in another country as a decoration plant
You should be worried, yes. We are not unfamiliar with pesticides, neither is Portugal a pest-free country. I would give them a couple of weeks to sweat off anything nasty they may have been sprayed or watered with, but that's your call.
Nice looking plants, RR. I bet they would make wonderful mother plants from which you could take cuttings.
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