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Astral Projection
    #19223822 - 12/03/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone here ever astral projected? I've been studying and trying for some time. Don't think I've actually done it yet but I think I'm on the right path. I feel like I get closer and closer to whatever that actually is.

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Re: Astral Projection [Re: blueyz]
    #19224310 - 12/03/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, But I don't know if it is a lucid dream or out of body tbh.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: teknix]
    #19224869 - 12/03/13 11:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I am 100% convinced that it is real. I used to have them every night before I started taking some medication. So you're looking at hundreds of out of body experiences. Enough to show me there are both real and false and in between OBEs. Sometimes it IS just a dream; just like anything else that happens to you, you dream about it eventually. But you can clearly demarcate between dreams and OBEs after hundreds of them have happened to you. Sometimes it is a particularly lucid kind of dream, very convincing but again after hundreds of them it becomes kind of dully obvious it's not the real thing. When you have the real thing, it is actually another whole level of experience; reality itself is different. The experience is so far removed from dreaming or what you've hitherto known to be 'normal' that it's instantly obvious you're having the real thing. You don't have to learn to trust yourself and you don't have to debate about it internally before you're convinced.

I applaud your interest and attempts to have OBEs, it's a new frontier. Death most likely opens up into this frontier, I mean, surely. But in the mean time your body will spontaneously move into this frontier during sleep, and there are obviously ways to increase the likelihood of it happening.

Good luck, good travels. It's real.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: circastes]
    #19224927 - 12/03/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Is it possible that your lucid dreams just become more lucid? Like there are levels of lucidity and AP is the highest level?


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: circastes]
    #19224941 - 12/03/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I mean we could test it really. If we write a number on a piece of paper and put it in a safe in a downstairs bedroom, a long number that you don't know, then you should be able to tell us what the number is when you astral project right?

Do you think you could do that?


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: teknix]
    #19224957 - 12/03/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Starts to seem like an issue of semantics.

The level of realness is such that it is actually more real, more primary and primordial, than waking experience. It's as if, right now, you just had a completely whole new experience, something completely unexpected. What would you think? Well you have to base it on the experience itself... if the experience hits really hard and in the right spot, you're going to be convinced it was a real and significant event. This is how and where the real OBE hits, in a place you've never been touched.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: teknix]
    #19224962 - 12/03/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I mean we could test it really. If we write a number on a piece of paper and put it in a safe in a downstairs bedroom, a long number that you don't know, then you should be able to tell us what the number is when you astral project right?

Do you think you could do that?



Robert Monroe recommends and has done this.

It is difficult to get to the 'real time zone' as he calls it, which is waking reality as it is. There are actually whole other realms or levels or dimensions of this current waking reality that I usually end up in.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: teknix]
    #19224982 - 12/03/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

OBEs are a real thing, though I've never really experienced one. The closest I have been to experiencing an OBE is on Salvia.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: circastes]
    #19224986 - 12/03/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That doesn't make sense really, if it isn't real time zone how do you know it isn't a dream? How do you know he really has done it?

Shouldn't we be able to put Randi out of business then?

I haven't heard of Robert Monroe, so I'll have to look into it.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: teknix]
    #19225017 - 12/03/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hmm, so I wonder if the Solfeggio Harmonics or Binary Beats are a product of his research? I noticed he was the first to provide evidence of the phenomena scientifically, but the Buddhist and Yogi's to name a couple have known about it long before. I'm going to e-mail the Monroe Institute about my little ability and see what they say. Thanks for bringing this up Circastes.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19225052 - 12/04/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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OBEs are a real thing, though I've never really experienced one.




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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19225064 - 12/04/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nothing in S and M, :tongue:


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: teknix]
    #19225291 - 12/04/13 03:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No worries although I actually meant Robert Bruce, who is the other big OBE-related author/researcher, whose book I read.

I wake up in my room, but as an entity / body I am not familiar with, and as soon as I'm out of my body it's a whole different deck of cards as far as my sense of reality goes. As I run from my body I think of it or imagine I'm in it and it begins to call to me in this strange indescribable 'coo coo' sound. But what is striking is the kind of experience I am having; it is like I have returned to a place I once inhabited, some kind of construct of pure strangeness, so strange, that to lay eyes upon it again is to go a bit mad. Things are like paper cut-outs of what they are in reality/real time zone, as if everything were a giant stage or computer simulation, or some blueprint of what reality is. It's got the same in-your-face overboard weirdness every time that is what I would call a hallmark of the OBE. It used to happen excessively, with that same feel, that same other dimension, with the same convincing other-body and its extreme sensations.

When it is the real time zone, it's the same body, it feels the same when it touches things and grinds against things, only I have no maneuverability, I am paralysed and usually float and bump into things with a whole other physics at play. It is usually exceptionally painful but I see reality as it must really be in the waking dimension. I have this moderate visual snow and I think a lot of people do; it's like a static in the visual field especially present in darkness. In the real time zone or out of the body, there is no visual snow, and I see everything exactly as it was left. Only intense, brief glimpses with no maneuverability. Only once did I manage to turn around and see my body, and even smell my unwashed sweaty hair as I returned.

In his book Robert Bruce talks about the different dimensions he's entered. My non-real-time-zone experiences are extremely archetypal and 'universal', even cliche, like one of the dimensions he mentions. I am sure I am not dreaming and instead I am visiting that dimension.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: circastes]
    #19225311 - 12/04/13 04:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

circastes,

I had a speculation the other day that (as salvia showed me) this material world is one of an infinite number of worlds, and what a schizophrenic is is a person who is unable to forget that this is how things are, which is to say that they float somewhere between this specific instance of reality and the realm of infinitude.

I based this on having met schizophrenics who made sense to me but not to others. Several of them went crazy because no-one believed what they could see.

Every schizophrenic I have met was able to intuit things that they couldn't possibly have known in a purely material realm, only in a fairly haphazard manner.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: viktor]
    #19225340 - 12/04/13 04:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Circastes, Maybe I'm not giving him enough of a chance and am jumping the gun here, but I think he rips off teachings of others and rewrites them with slightly different terminology mixed in with some BS. I mean he isn't really doing anything that hasn't already been done is he? Is he actually making progress with the science of it?

I personally wouldn't want to contact him. If he can project into the real time zone or had clairvoyance he could easily put Randi out of business, so why doesn't he? I get a neg vibe from reading about him.

I mean if he could do what he claims he should be able to provide objective evidence of it, if those claims are said to be objective.

I like Monroe though, he really went at it with science.

Bruce is a bullshitter trying to make millions off peoples gullibility from the little I read about him.

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Re: Astral Projection [Re: blueyz]
    #19225697 - 12/04/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm surprised there isn't more serious research being done into this. It shouldn't be considered occult or imaginary or pathological. It is perfectly natural and I believe anyone can do it. You just have to cultivate awareness around the edges of sleep.

I differentiate it from lucid dreaming by the buzzing and energy sensations. I usually make a 'lunge' then end up on the floor in my room. It's not the same thing as the physical world though. Everything is made of sunlight and sparkles. It's a digital world, sometimes you can see the pixels. and it's there all the time, sometimes I phase into it during the day, it looks like I could put my hand through the walls.

I totally believe that there must be people more dedicated than me who have learned to manipulate this realm more expertly, I am certain of it. There must be genuine shamans out there. I have been trying to contact other people during OBEs recently by floating into their rooms, so far everyone has been asleep :creepylurker: and I've been unable to wake them. It would be really vindicating if someone else could see my ghost or something. I want evidence, but so far nothing concrete. I don't know, I think it comes down to whether you believe the mind is really located in the body to begin with.

It's such in an interesting phenomena, but it's rare to hear people talk interestingly about it, so I'll stop now. I find it hard to read any kind of literature on the subject.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: onionterror]
    #19225710 - 12/04/13 08:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Astral Projection [Re: onionterror]
    #19225754 - 12/04/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I like whats been said here already.  I've had a few experiences that I am confident saying were legit out of bodys.  When they happened you just know that something groundbreaking is going down.  I've only had two experiences with this and each time I was like "HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT".  Then if you are able to let yourself die so to speak you break out. 

And this is serious advice for anyone wanting to astral project because it is why I believe 1 of my out of body experiences was able to happen.  Okay here it comes.  Don't ejaculate, hold off as long as it takes.  Hopefully you will get so pressurized that you will have to evacuate your body.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: circastes]
    #19225788 - 12/04/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I am 100% convinced that it is real. I used to have them every night before I started taking some medication. So you're looking at hundreds of out of body experiences. Enough to show me there are both real and false and in between OBEs. Sometimes it IS just a dream; just like anything else that happens to you, you dream about it eventually. But you can clearly demarcate between dreams and OBEs after hundreds of them have happened to you. Sometimes it is a particularly lucid kind of dream, very convincing but again after hundreds of them it becomes kind of dully obvious it's not the real thing. When you have the real thing, it is actually another whole level of experience; reality itself is different. The experience is so far removed from dreaming or what you've hitherto known to be 'normal' that it's instantly obvious you're having the real thing. You don't have to learn to trust yourself and you don't have to debate about it internally before you're convinced.

I applaud your interest and attempts to have OBEs, it's a new frontier. Death most likely opens up into this frontier, I mean, surely. But in the mean time your body will spontaneously move into this frontier during sleep, and there are obviously ways to increase the likelihood of it happening.

Good luck, good travels. It's real.




Thanks Circastes

I have studied RMI and several others regarding OBE, but can you elaborate on your comment regarding "ways to increase the likelihood of it happening"? You state you know the real thing when it happens as apposed to lucid dreaming etc... When the real thing happens for you how do you end up entering that state? Is it from an immediate wakening or from an intensely deep meditative state? I have experienced some of the described physical phenomena when I approach a deep enough meditative state, such as vibrations, roaring sounds, the body's test to see if you are actually asleep. Having said that, I don't believe they are as intense as they should be; I think it's because I get excited and kill the feeling. I've also never experienced sleep paralysis. I don't know if that is just a product of my biochemistry or evidence that I am no where near where I need to be. Is there any helpful advice you could give me?

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Re: Astral Projection [Re: onionterror]
    #19225810 - 12/04/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm surprised there isn't more serious research being done into this. It shouldn't be considered occult or imaginary or pathological. It is perfectly natural and I believe anyone can do it. You just have to cultivate awareness around the edges of sleep.

I differentiate it from lucid dreaming by the buzzing and energy sensations. I usually make a 'lunge' then end up on the floor in my room. It's not the same thing as the physical world though. Everything is made of sunlight and sparkles. It's a digital world, sometimes you can see the pixels. and it's there all the time, sometimes I phase into it during the day, it looks like I could put my hand through the walls.

I totally believe that there must be people more dedicated than me who have learned to manipulate this realm more expertly, I am certain of it. There must be genuine shamans out there. I have been trying to contact other people during OBEs recently by floating into their rooms, so far everyone has been asleep :creepylurker: and I've been unable to wake them. It would be really vindicating if someone else could see my ghost or something. I want evidence, but so far nothing concrete. I don't know, I think it comes down to whether you believe the mind is really located in the body to begin with.

It's such in an interesting phenomena, but it's rare to hear people talk interestingly about it, so I'll stop now. I find it hard to read any kind of literature on the subject.



Surprisingly onionterror, there is a fair amount of literature out there about this sort of thing. I wouldn't call most of it "scientific" other than the Monroe Institute, but there is a lot none the less. What's really interesting is how this coincides with much of Edgar Cayce's reading on the nature of this physicality and other spiritual realms. There's also a great blog by a woman named "Erin Pavlina"; she helps shed light on a lot of FAQ's.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: blueyz]
    #19226620 - 12/04/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It all happens to me spontaneously during sleep. At the end of it I usually wake up back in my body.

There are things like William Buhlman's hypnosis or affirmation tapes which you can listen to. I also think the position you sleep in is very important. If you prop up your neck slightly but leave your head unsupported, you're going to sleep lighter and this seems to make it more likely to happen. Seems to especially happen around the REM period too (5am or so). And, a very still mind as you drift into sleep seems to make it more likely... I guess the idea is to keep your mind awake but turn off the body with sleep.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: circastes]
    #19229750 - 12/05/13 12:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I find meditation followed by detailed awareness of your world throughout the day leads to sleep paralysis at night. 

If I can get past the fear of paralysis I can sit up out of my body and fly around for a bit...still working on getting my vision to clear up.  I'm usually quite blind.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Allisterem]
    #19230039 - 12/05/13 04:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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not every person has an astral body




I wonder how far it goes, and I like to fantasize that I am sharing an experience with St. Paul and Plotinus.

We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.

I think the OBE could be IT. Learning to navigate the bardo during life to preserve a digital copy of ourselves at death. The ultimate technology.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: onionterror]
    #19234613 - 12/06/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think the fact that we all have the same OBE experience is some pretty telling evidence that we are pretty significant beings and that the OBE is real. McKenna believed we were "a higher dimensional object of some kind that casts a shadow into matter". Sounds about right from that craziness I've been through. What you are experiencing when you leave the body is some other form that is surely divine or godlike.

It all seems pretty silly until you have the experiences and see / feel for yourself what else you must be...


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: circastes]
    #19235654 - 12/06/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think the fact that we all have the same OBE experience is some pretty telling evidence that we are pretty significant beings and that the OBE is real.



"Significant," yes.  "Real," I doubt it.

We all dream at night, in our sleep.  Most dreams have similar characteristics, person to person and regardless of where people live or what they do.  This is well documented in the literature.

Are our dreams "real"?

If I have a dream that I'm riding on the back of a dinosaur and you have a dream that you're riding on the back of a dinosaur, does that make our experiences "real"?


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: all this beauty]
    #19235780 - 12/06/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What makes dreams any less "real"?


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    #19235939 - 12/06/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What makes dreams any less "real"?



There's a difference between "subjective reality" and "objective reality."

My OBEs and my dreams may feel 100 percent real to me.  There might be no way in hell you could ever convince me that they really didn't happen.  That's "subjective reality."

In fact, they are "real" to me, but not "objectively real."  They occurred only in my head.  Just like a hallucination occurs only in my head.

My hallucinations are not objectively real.  They don't "really" happen in the world.  In the world that is more "expansive," if you will, than the world inside my head.


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    #19236117 - 12/06/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I can see how the OBEs would be subjectively real.  But I think you're saying that on the assumption that this physical world is the "first cause".  Or something like its the original determinant of validity.  What are the chances that there exists an experience that is more real and authoritative than regular life ?

To me its an open ended question, I think if there is such an experience there would be subtle cues and clues.  I've had a few experiences that suggest it's a legit possibility and my perceived OBEs are some of those experiences.  At the end of the day the way I see it is that if its real its real and if its not its not.  It's not up to my regular conscious to decide such a thing.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: all this beauty]
    #19236187 - 12/06/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What makes dreams any less "real"?



There's a difference between "subjective reality" and "objective reality."

My OBEs and my dreams may feel 100 percent real to me.  There might be no way in hell you could ever convince me that they really didn't happen.  That's "subjective reality."

In fact, they are "real" to me, but not "objectively real."  They occurred only in my head.  Just like a hallucination occurs only in my head.

My hallucinations are not objectively real.  They don't "really" happen in the world.  In the world that is more "expansive," if you will, than the world inside my head.




Maybe the objective world is really just subjective


whoooaaaaa  :mindblown:


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: jackSpearows]
    #19236293 - 12/06/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What are the chances that there exists an experience that is more real and authoritative than regular life ?



Valid question.  No one knows for sure.  We're all only guessing.

I've had powerful experiences (on drugs and off) that have certainly "informed" me that there are mysteries undreamt of in my waking consciousness.  Stuff my waking consciousness simply cannot process or fathom. 

That said, I refuse to surrender my powers of intellect and discernment and to accept as "true" any and all allegations of the paranormal and supernatural.  To do so would represent a basic "mistrust" of my humanness, and I harbor no such mistrust.

Essentially, belief in the paranormal and the supernatural represents a basic mistrust of science and intellect.  I choose not to mistrust science and intellect.

We each have our own way when it comes to this stuff.


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