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OfflineIcyus
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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19222528 - 12/03/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Think of this aspect; you have no idea what is to happen with the next step you take, but still the step might be exciting in itself...


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icyus]
    #19223542 - 12/03/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes this is the most sought after feeling of adventurers... the anticipation that comes with taking each step.

I think...


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: DrugsRGood]
    #19225693 - 12/04/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think the ultimate surrender is giving in to the moment.  The catch is that the moment can suck, but you aren't thinking it sucks you're experiencing it sucking.  I believe it is a self trust issue.  To let everything go all your worries and anything that takes you away from the moment.  Whether you have trust in that if something is genuinely important that it will come to you naturally rather than having to force it.  Seriously if you let yourself totally go do you have the trust in yourself that you'll "get there".  So I think self trust is the ultimate surrender.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: jackSpearows]
    #19225703 - 12/04/13 08:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think your first sentence is the correct one.  If one can do that imo you are truly as free as you can ever be.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19225762 - 12/04/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i believe it's actually the name of a sex show for girl on girl wrestling :undecided:


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19225824 - 12/04/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think your first sentence is the correct one.  If one can do that imo you are truly as free as you can ever be.



Yeah, the thing then is finding ways to experience what it is that is being said.  Cuz if you aren't then there's no point in saying it you know ?


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: jackSpearows]
    #19225901 - 12/04/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

true and I can only experience it in drips and drabs at best. Mostly I'm stuck in lifelong mindset patterns that are hardly useful when it comes to being happy or content.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19226208 - 12/04/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ultimate surrender is giving up all ego struggle (for it's goals, dominance, permanence etc.) IME, that shit beats H any day, but as we all know it's nigh on impossible.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #19226645 - 12/04/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Ultimate surrender is giving up all ego struggle (for it's goals, dominance, permanence etc.) IME, that shit beats H any day, but as we all know it's nigh on impossible.



imo you gotta give in to the game though.  Thats the surrender.  Part of the game is having goals, struggle, obstacles.  I don't think its fair to us to say that giving up that is ultimate surrender because it is out of our power.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19226698 - 12/04/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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true and I can only experience it in drips and drabs at best. Mostly I'm stuck in lifelong mindset patterns that are hardly useful when it comes to being happy or content.



Do you have other values that are more important than happiness or contentness ? If you do then maybe there's a good reason.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: jackSpearows]
    #19226712 - 12/04/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Grapefruit said:
Ultimate surrender is giving up all ego struggle (for it's goals, dominance, permanence etc.) IME, that shit beats H any day, but as we all know it's nigh on impossible.



imo you gotta give in to the game though.  Thats the surrender.  Part of the game is having goals, struggle, obstacles.  I don't think its fair to us to say that giving up that is ultimate surrender because it is out of our power.




That's one kind of surrender I suppose. Not really what I was talking about but if you can get it to work for you then it's good.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #19226755 - 12/04/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Grapefruit said:
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jackSpearows said:
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Grapefruit said:
Ultimate surrender is giving up all ego struggle (for it's goals, dominance, permanence etc.) IME, that shit beats H any day, but as we all know it's nigh on impossible.



imo you gotta give in to the game though.  Thats the surrender.  Part of the game is having goals, struggle, obstacles.  I don't think its fair to us to say that giving up that is ultimate surrender because it is out of our power.




That's one kind of surrender I suppose. Not really what I was talking about but if you can get it to work for you then it's good.




So are you saying that death or not-life is the ultimate surrender ? To be human is to struggle and to end that is the surrender.  btw what do you mean by "H" ?


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: jackSpearows]
    #19226899 - 12/04/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Heroin. By surrender I mean giving up on long term fantasy goals and so on, seeing that life is exactly as it is and nothing will change that. That's how most animals live IMO, but not humans. I get your definition too btw and it makes sense to live like that if you are able to believe in all that bullshit that the human brains pumps around all day.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: jackSpearows]
    #19226906 - 12/04/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
true and I can only experience it in drips and drabs at best. Mostly I'm stuck in lifelong mindset patterns that are hardly useful when it comes to being happy or content.



Do you have other values that are more important than happiness or contentness ? If you do then maybe there's a good reason.




Nothing seems more important than being truly happy.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #19226952 - 12/04/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Heroin. By surrender I mean giving up on long term fantasy goals and so on, seeing that life is exactly as it is and nothing will change that. That's how most animals live IMO, but not humans. I get your definition too btw and it makes sense to live like that if you are able to believe in all that bullshit that the human brains pumps around all day.




No doubt  :sexymeow:


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: jackSpearows]
    #19234720 - 12/06/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The biggest surrender for me would have to be succumbing and becoming addicted to a hard drug. A lot of my friends are really trying to get me to do some particularly hard drugs and I have a addictive bloodline.. >.>

(Mom,Dad,Grandpa,Grandma,All of my uncles on my moms side and all of my aunts on my moms side.)

My grandparents on my dads side are the only people I'm directly related to that haven't been addicted to a drug. (But my grandmas dad was a huge junky)


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #19234790 - 12/06/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Grapefruit said:
Heroin. By surrender I mean giving up on long term fantasy goals and so on, seeing that life is exactly as it is and nothing will change that. That's how most animals live IMO, but not humans. I get your definition too btw and it makes sense to live like that if you are able to believe in all that bullshit that the human brains pumps around all day.




what will happen if you stop taking care of yourself and of what is happening to you from others ?? I mean it is too obvious the religious you are, that is meaning to use anything for crap justifications ..

individuals are not some decisions makings ... human beings are the constant of being .. the more the constant is clear the more it is about being on its simplest form

while your means are the only clarity in what you are saying, defending evil by denying that individuals never matter, we are relative facts so we don't matter at all, that is how even the best ones of us can be forced to worse ends as if they are always wrong, and never been right

what you mean, is to protect evil knowledge from being mentioned, so you blame individuals that never matter in anyways

it is the force that one do on others that matter negatively.. on what it kills others right existence for powers existence gains ... which kills true existence fact.. one day, there wont be possible to violate else rights of being real and existing freely .. then it would become clear how existence is really perfect in truth, so in freedom ways


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: absols]
    #19235196 - 12/06/13 05:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

nice rant bro :nicekitty:


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19235262 - 12/06/13 05:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What is it?




surrendering to the ultimate, to the unknown, to yourself


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