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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: Kizzle]
    #19221360 - 12/03/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

if you see trich.
you have already released 10k  trich spores into your grow.
if you debate it, youve released 100K.


methods i use, trich is rarely seen.
there is no cure, only avoidance.


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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: DeadPhan]
    #19221370 - 12/03/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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have you had any tubs since in the same grow area? 

if so, did you by chance spawn them in that area?

was your first tub coir verm gypsum?

if so, did you pasteurize it?




I have Just got done doing 5 monos.

Yes it was coir verm and gypsum.

I do Frank's past. Tek

I didn't use the same area I changed locations to a different floor of the home but I can say this 2 tubs went south but I did end up getting 3 flushes before tossing them. Also they didn't contam Just got rid of them to make room for fresh tubs.


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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: firstTimer213]
    #19221406 - 12/03/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: anne halonium]
    #19221592 - 12/03/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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anne halonium said:
if you see trich.
you have already released 10k  trich spores into your grow.
if you debate it, youve released 100K.


methods i use, trich is rarely seen.
there is no cure, only avoidance.



Not true. Chances are he saw it before it had produced any spores, he just didn't recognize it was Trich because it was still pure white. Most experiences cultivators would have recognized it even before it turned green and hopefully he will now. Rather then waiting for it produce spores you can salt it. It's not a cure by any means, just a method to prevent the production and release of spores while you finish your flush and get it out there.


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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: firstTimer213]
    #19221732 - 12/03/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Did you say you got 3 flushes before the trich showed up?

That's pretty good.

If you are using coir and you get molds before the first flush, the culprit is a bad spawn jar or culture.

Also, you have tons of mold spores flying all over your house anyways. Having some green substrate is not going to ruin your ability to grow. I've totally blown up my place with trich before (24 tubs at once) and I still get by. It just means you'll have to be a little more precise with your sterile work is all.


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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19221918 - 12/03/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I've totally blown up my place with trich before (24 tubs at once).




if i had several sq meters of trich.
id  re-evaluate, my entire grow style, methods, and lab cleanliness.

i rarely see trich.
but then again, i use different methods, and a higher standard of cleanliness.

contrary to popular belief, all grows do not end in trich.

if standards are low in one grow,
how is it improved in the next identical grow?
especially if the place is trich coated from the first grow!



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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: anne halonium]
    #19222065 - 12/03/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've never bought into the idea of permanently destroying your ability to grow in a location. People are quick to use ambient spore counts as an excuse for why their grows keep ending in mold without considering other possibilities. With adequate ventilation the air returns to outdoor levels relatively quickly once the mold source has been removed. Albeit outdoor levels are usually significantly higher than normal indoor levels.


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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: anne halonium]
    #19222239 - 12/03/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I've totally blown up my place with trich before (24 tubs at once).




if i had several sq meters of trich.
id  re-evaluate, my entire grow style, methods, and lab cleanliness.

i rarely see trich.
but then again, i use different methods, and a higher standard of cleanliness.

contrary to popular belief, all grows do not end in trich.

if standards are low in one grow,
how is it improved in the next identical grow?
especially if the place is trich coated from the first grow!



Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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That really isn't the point of the thread. There is no sense in attacking frank for openly admitting he screwed up several monotubs. He's clearly doing something right, I mean he is a tc and he has done a lot for our hobby whether you like it or not. You on the other hand I have only seen starting shit with people who have a lot more status on here than you do.

Back on topic, in my earlier days of growing, I was very attached to my first large monotub to the point that I waited for it to be a green, disgusting mess. I almost puked when I opened the lid to dump it out. Lol. I've learned a lot sense then and I would never make that same mistake, and even though that tub probably had more trich than cubensis mycelium, I still have grown several horse poop monotubs in that same exact spot with no problems.


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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19222399 - 12/03/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19222483 - 12/03/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A little trich ain't gonna hurt nothing. I like to run my tubs till there done, which means trich will usually show up by the 6th or 7th flush. I don't let it sit there and fester if course, but a few patches of green are no reason to paint the room or tear up the carpets. Just my opinion of course. Shit just walking outside for an hour pretty much ensures your gonna have a whole trichload of spores all over you when you come back in.


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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19222496 - 12/03/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Just my opinion of course.




Your opinion is backed by enough evidence that I think you can omit the safety clause :wink:


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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19222610 - 12/03/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't mean to sound dumb but when I try to find out about trichoderma in the search engine I can't really find anything. What is trich and how does it get on cakes/substrate?


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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19222841 - 12/03/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Kizzle said:
I've never bought into the idea of permanently destroying your ability to grow in a location. People are quick to use ambient spore counts as an excuse for why their grows keep ending in mold without considering other possibilities. With adequate ventilation the air returns to outdoor levels relatively quickly once the mold source has been removed. Albeit outdoor levels are usually significantly higher than normal indoor levels.



this is what I wanted to hear.

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FrankHorrigan said:
I've totally blown up my place with trich before (24 tubs at once) and I still get by.



as is this.  I've always wondered when people talk about contams ruining a room/house...


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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: happygolucky]
    #19222870 - 12/03/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't mean to sound dumb but when I try to find out about trichoderma in the search engine I can't really find anything. What is trich and how does it get on cakes/substrate?



It's the scientific name for green mold which likes to take healthy mushroom mycelium's place in your growing media and ruin your grows. It is the pure essence of evil.


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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19223273 - 12/03/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Did you say you got 3 flushes before the trich showed up?

That's pretty good.

If you are using coir and you get molds before the first flush, the culprit is a bad spawn jar or culture.

Also, you have tons of mold spores flying all over your house anyways. Having some green substrate is not going to ruin your ability to grow. I've totally blown up my place with trich before (24 tubs at once) and I still get by. It just means you'll have to be a little more precise with your sterile work is all.




No Sorry I should have wrote it out better 2 of 5 tubs got Reich and the other 3 I got 3 flushes out of before tossing due to space.


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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: firstTimer213]
    #19223364 - 12/03/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So does an infection like this happen in the jars before bulk spawn, after, or is there no way to really know?


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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: psykonautix]
    #19223394 - 12/03/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Usually trich before or soon after the first flush is attributed to bad spawn or improper pasteurization, tho IMO the pasteurization angle only applies if using a sub other than simple coir verm. I'm pretty confident that bad spawn is responsible for most first flush contams.

Eventually as the mycelium network ages and flushes it will weaken at which point trich can take hold. In this case its usually after the third flushe.


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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19223458 - 12/03/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm fairly confident that it was a problem with a jar or two.  Thanks for confirming that. 

This was my first tub so I didn't expect it to work out


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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19223498 - 12/03/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah. I never really bought in to the "ruin my grow space" scenario either. It just don't add up. I mean, are these extra spores lurking around waiting for you to spawn so they can attack? After all, your grow room should be getting fresh air which balances it all out.


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Re: pretty sure my first mono just got trich (pix) [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19223512 - 12/03/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It could very well have been your pasteurization methods also. What did you use for substrate and how did you pasteurize?


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