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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Echro]
#19223767 - 12/03/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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For me, weed has always been weed. Some more potent, some less, but all of it weed. So I'm interested to see what the aftermath of his report is.
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: something cool]
#19224091 - 12/03/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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this dude is an idiot
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: SnowDaze]
#19224192 - 12/03/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jack Herer has many different phenos, as it's a seed strain, not just a clone and has been redone by many vendors.
This dude has no idea, let him try some high THCv and then some high CBD herb and he'd know.
Terpines have nice aroma and maybe medical benefits too.
Dude is just trying to sell his patented system. Many places already test some aspects of their herb too.
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: fireshaman]
#19224215 - 12/03/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is basically like claiming different strains of apples all have the exact same flavor and amounts of vitamins in them. It's simply not true.
Now, will clubs put a name on something just to sell it? Sure. That doesn't mean different strains don't exist, it just means some people are full of shit.
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Ran-D]
#19224303 - 12/03/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ran-D said: This is basically like claiming different strains of apples all have the exact same flavor and amounts of vitamins in them. It's simply not true.
Not really an equivalent, different strains do appear different and have different scents/tastes. Different amounts of THC and anything else in them. The issue is the character of the high alone
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Repertoire89]
#19224320 - 12/03/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: The issue is the character of the high alone
In that case then I will second this.
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Can-i-bus said: It's all about terpenoids and their synergy with THC and other cannabinoids.
Obviously the guy doing this study has never smoked.
Edited by Ran-D (12/03/13 09:06 PM)
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Ran-D] 1
#19224377 - 12/03/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are more than 60 different phytocannabinoids found in cannabis. As a higher eukaryote, cannabis has the ability to control gene expression.
For example, one plant might have a polymorphism that makes transcription of THCA-synthase very active (i.e a mutation that makes a transcription factor bind better to a specific suquence). This plant will produce a fuckton of THC-COOH when the transcription factor is produced (during the flowering stage of female plants).
Genetics is not a simple presence/no presence game, nor is it a simple Mendelian game. Every gene can be turned on and off, sometimes to different degrees.
The only way to ensure a consistent pheno would be to inbreed the plants many, many times. That or produce clones (or do both). This will concentrate a certain pattern of polymorphisms, but then comes to factor of how one grows the plant. Inbreeding can be a bad thing too, as it may concentrate negative phenotypes as well (recessive/dominant alleles come into play here as well). This is the same reason why inbred animals or humans are often prone to genetic diseases.
The end product is more complex than THC/CBD. There are density factors in the bud (the morphology of the plant). There are genetic factors that influence the presence of pigments, terpenes, cannabinoids, and proteins of interest in plants.
The only way to isolate a truly unique strain is to select a phenotype and concentrate it over and over again. It starts from a unique landrace and ends with a highly stabilized plant with a unique set of genetics.
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: aperson444]
#19224399 - 12/03/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Ran-D]
#19224409 - 12/03/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think its like tomato's there heaps of different varieties and they come in different shapes and varieties but their all of the same family. The rest is a result of breeding over time.
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: aperson444]
#19224425 - 12/03/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well put person.
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Ran-D]
#19224462 - 12/03/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I never bothered myself with learning all the names & strains, because at the end of the day, even if there is an "OG Kush" people in my city DON'T know what the hell it is because they like to call ALL their shit "OG Kush"!! Like, no bitch, your shit is not fucking kush.
When I get weed...I just smoke it... Now if that shit is just covered and pure white crystals, I'm about to have a good time, and I don't care what you call it.
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: HappyHooligan]
#19224561 - 12/03/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What the author is getting at is that he'll be able to use math and chemistry to prove that certain strains have unique chemical concentrations that differ from other strains.
In other words, the chemical composure, or signature, if you will, of certain strains should be used for creating a classification system.
It's like saying that fruit loops from vendor A are made of x and y, and that fruit loops from vendor B are made of x, y, and z, so therefore, fruit loops is a shitty name.
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: my3rdeye]
#19224654 - 12/03/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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... he even disputes the commonly held notion that the two polar types of weed, indica and sativa, produce opposing effects -- specifically that indica is more of a depressant and sativa is more of an upper.
Finally someone speaks truth. No one can tell indica/sativa in a blind taste test, its 100 percent placebo. I do this all the time give people indica and tell them its sativa and vice versa, its whatever you think it is or better yet whatever I tell you it is. Known this for a while sativa and indica are impossible to tell apart from smoking it.
Placebo is powerful. It unleashes the creative conscious mind which is stronger than any drug, medicine, or surgery.
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19224952 - 12/03/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not to forget placebo while under heavy influence. Probably best to just wait to see what information the guy's report actually is founded upon.
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Shpongle1]
#19225198 - 12/04/13 02:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shpongle1 said: I most definitely get varying effects from different kinds of weed. Some weed I smoke it and I get all bugged out and hate smoking weed. Other times friends will have a certain type of weed that always gets me feeling nice, with a high that I can enjoy, no paranoia, no weird feelings, etc.
People might say it's a difference within myself from day to day, which I guess I can't say for sure is inaccurate, but I've compared the highs at the same location, with the same people and in a same mindset and had completely different effects dependent upon the type of bud. So I don't know about all this...
It's all about ur environment, who's with u, and the potency of the bud.
It's very hard to notice the different effects from strains other than potency. THC is THC, if u smoked CBD on it's own it wouldn't get u high at all. It's still important to have strain names because there definitely is a difference in smell, taste, potency, appearance, harshness, yields and too much CBD and/or THCV can diminish the THC high. Theres also a difference in the types of terpintines but they have a very minimal psychoactive effect.
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: aperson444]
#19225200 - 12/04/13 02:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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aperson444 said: There are more than 60 different phytocannabinoids found in cannabis. As a higher eukaryote, cannabis has the ability to control gene expression.
For example, one plant might have a polymorphism that makes transcription of THCA-synthase very active (i.e a mutation that makes a transcription factor bind better to a specific suquence). This plant will produce a fuckton of THC-COOH when the transcription factor is produced (during the flowering stage of female plants).
Genetics is not a simple presence/no presence game, nor is it a simple Mendelian game. Every gene can be turned on and off, sometimes to different degrees.
The only way to ensure a consistent pheno would be to inbreed the plants many, many times. That or produce clones (or do both). This will concentrate a certain pattern of polymorphisms, but then comes to factor of how one grows the plant. Inbreeding can be a bad thing too, as it may concentrate negative phenotypes as well (recessive/dominant alleles come into play here as well). This is the same reason why inbred animals or humans are often prone to genetic diseases.
The end product is more complex than THC/CBD. There are density factors in the bud (the morphology of the plant). There are genetic factors that influence the presence of pigments, terpenes, cannabinoids, and proteins of interest in plants.
The only way to isolate a truly unique strain is to select a phenotype and concentrate it over and over again. It starts from a unique landrace and ends with a highly stabilized plant with a unique set of genetics.
So? THC is the only signcantly psychoactive in cannabis. Obviously there's a diffence in potency and hardness of the plants etc but the effects u get from it r the same between strain IME
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Echro]
#19225217 - 12/04/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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How come hashish gives a very different high from bud then..?
I can sit and smoke nice Moroccan pollen all day, definitely be stoned as hell, but certain types of bud (Sativa) always give me panic attacks nowadays and I simply can't touch them anymore.
I smoked daily for over 15 years and there are without a single, solitary doubt some 'strains' I can sit and smoke all day and others that I can have a single toke of and know I'm going to feel sketched out. This is repeatable with the same types of bud or with certain kinds (most) of hashish versus the same "skunk" that makes me think the world is ending within 5 minutes...
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: egodeathflux]
#19225767 - 12/04/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So? THC is the only signcantly psychoactive in cannabis. Obviously there's a diffence in potency and hardness of the plants etc but the effects u get from it r the same between strain IME
Far from the truth. We know that cannabidiol has a wide spectrum of effects that are indeed psychoactive. Alone, CBD is not psychoactive.
CBD is a 5HT1A receptor agonist. It is also an inverse agonist at the CB1 receptor. THC is only part of the picture.
THCV is a CBr antagonist (across the board). Terpenes might not affect the high a whole lot, but they sure as hell influence smell/flavor.
The other cannabinoids might not be extraordinarily abundant, but we have barely scratched the surface in terms of their potential effects in the human cannabinoid system.
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: aperson444]
#19225789 - 12/04/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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aperson444 said: CBD is a 5HT1A receptor agonist. It is also an inverse agonist at the CB1 receptor. THC is only part of the picture.
Sure, the critical question though, is whether these pharmacological properties significantly effect the subjective profile. At least enough to consistently account for a strain difference.
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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: badchad]
#19226002 - 12/04/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This guy has obviously never been to Northern California. Sure, people mislabel weed. But after spending a decade around pot growers, I could give you a close estimation of genetics simply from sight and smell.
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