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Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says * 1
    #19222718 - 12/03/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

OG Kush. Skywalker. Pineapple Express. Sour Diesel. Sour Jack.

These are the "strains" that medical marijuana consumers are sold, often at premium prices, with the promise that they'll do something special for you.

But a foremost cannabis expert, Jeffrey Raber, who holds a Ph.D. in chemistry from USC, says it's all b.s. Those names don't mean anything, and a forthcoming study he's working on will prove it, Raber tells us. In fact ...

... he even disputes the commonly held notion that the two polar types of weed, indica and sativa, produce opposing effects -- specifically that indica is more of a depressant and sativa is more of an upper.

    The data shows that indica and sativa is just morphology [the plants' appearance and structure, not their highs]. It's a misperception that indica will put you to sleep or that sativa is more energetic.

To be sure, many of the aforementioned strains pack the punch promised by their purveyors.

But beyond that, especially when it comes to projections of stimulation or relaxation, head trips versus body highs, and strain-specific cures and treatments, it's a crap shoot, Raber says.

There's no scientific basis for the claims being made by pot shops about the effects of their weed, Raber argues. In fact, he says his study is showing that what's being sold as OG Kush in one shop could be something completely different in another.

"Most people don't even know," he says. "We took a popular name, Jack Herer, and found that most didn't even look like each other. OG whatever, Kush whatever, and the marketing that goes along with it -- it's not really medically designed."

Raber's company, The Werk Shop, provides testing for medical marijuana dispensaries so they can sell pesticide-free weed that's been verified.

The strain study he's working on is analyzing more than 1,000 brands of cannabis sold at pot shops, Raber says. The science involved is called metabolomics and will look at metabolites, cannabinoids, turpenes and 42 other aspects of each sample, he says.

The pot expert plans to see the study published by spring. He hopes in the end the research will establish new guidelines for naming strains so that they're consistent from dispensary to dispensary and, more importantly, so that they actually mean something to the consumer.

Raber:

    "You need a better classification system. We need a new naming system. We're at the forefront of being able to do that."

SOURCE: http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2013/12/marijuana_strains_are_fake_study.php

~~~I think they're overlooking the fact that different strains that share the same names can be grown by different people with a difference in standard of quality & yield. As well I'm pretty positive that if you flood somebody's synapses with a huge amount of differing cannabinoids it's going to produce different effects :rolleyes: What say you?


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Echro] * 1
    #19222746 - 12/03/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

biased study from the beginning :burke:, but hes an expert so he knows best


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Echro]
    #19222755 - 12/03/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There's no scientific basis for the claims being made by pot shops? Pot shops rarely grow their own pot. Dispensaries and collectives have growers and researchers who do their shit for them and record statistics like CBD levels etc. Most bud go through a very basic testing lab before being distributed to collectives.

Also, do you realize HOW EASY it is to test for those compounds in bud? It's fucking cheap, and it's fucking easy.

Obviously, there are a shit ton of black market dealers out there who don't know what the fuck they're talking about and sell you 'pineapple express' 'white widow' etc when it's actually schwag. That could be what you are referring to.

It is very difficult to deal with the media sometimes, esp when they talk shit.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19222790 - 12/03/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A bud is a bud (a cube is a cube)


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: D.M.T]
    #19222813 - 12/03/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's all about terpenoids and their synergy with THC and other cannabinoids.

Of course some dispensaries have strains mislabeled as OG Kush and Jack Herer, it's a marketing gimmick.

If you're growing from seed then you might as well say that all strain names are meaningless because of the amount of phenos produced. If 10 growers each grew out one strain from the same seedbank they'd probably come up with something similar as a keeper but there would still be small differences between the plants depending on how stable the genetics were to begin with.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Can-i-bus] * 1
    #19222843 - 12/03/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What if the guy is right though and there isn't much of a difference? Why are you people getting butthurt about it?


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: niteman]
    #19223018 - 12/03/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know, I haven't met a person who has smoked OG Kush who didn't fall in love with it, including some of the most seasoned smokers I've ever known. It's a one hit wonder that inspires creativity and thought far more than any other strains I've smoked, apart from Blue Dream, Purple Headband, and Grape Kush. The whole point of breeding different strains is being able to see which ones work for the individual. The goal is to help people understand more about cannabis, rather than trying to discriminate against certain strains because one person doesn't find them as interesting or helpful as others do.
The thing to remember is that each person is different, has different chemistry, and therefore reacts differently to different strains, as well as cannabis in general. When you start railing against the strain that somebody gets the most benefit from, I can understand full well why that person would get a bit butthurt.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #19223089 - 12/03/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I agree that strains are often mislabeled and names abused, but there are certainly differences from one to the other.

THC content, CBD:THC ratio, as well as a ton of other factors do play a role in the subjective high.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19223103 - 12/03/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've never been able to tell the difference between indicas and sativas I get
High regardless but now we are actually discrediting medical marijuana all together


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: natzyshroomer]
    #19223156 - 12/03/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Different strains have different effects, that's a truth that no academic paper will ever replace. I agree about the labeling part though.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: NicoCL]
    #19223188 - 12/03/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

NicoCL said:
Different strains have different effects, that's a truth that no academic paper will ever replace. I agree about the labeling part though.



When it comes to sellers just wanting to make an extra buck by calling "Kush A" "Super Deluxe Rhino Fuck Kush", I get a little chuffed, but differentiating one variety of Kush from another, based on certain qualities (flavor, scent, cerebral vs. body high, etc.), I like the idea of getting a little experimental with it. Mixing it up now and again. Trial and error.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: niteman]
    #19223193 - 12/03/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

niteman said:
What if the guy is right though and there isn't much of a difference? Why are you people getting butthurt about it?



because there could be a strain or breed out there that can help many?
Indica has always been my favorite. If I smoke the same strain mixed with a sativa I'm fucked, and trying to figure out what country to move to.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Yage]
    #19223212 - 12/03/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The names don't mean anything, unless depicting land race. The dankest strains come from mixing different land races. But any real expert, such as myself, will tell anyone that there are huge differences between sativas and indicas.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: happygolucky]
    #19223276 - 12/03/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"There's no scientific basis for the claims being made by pot shops about the effects of their weed, Raber argues. In fact, he says his study is showing that what's being sold as OG Kush in one shop could be something completely different in another."

That's because there are different phenos for each strain, and even each pheno can come out differently when grown by different people under different circumstances, especially with all the newer, less stable strains. Just find what you like and stick with it.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: happygolucky]
    #19223282 - 12/03/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So essentially he's claiming the strains are mislabeled, and there doesn't appear to be any consistency among advertised stains.

Unfortunately, there aren't any properly controlled studies examining the subjective effects of strain differences and/or differences among indicas and sativas.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: D.M.T]
    #19223350 - 12/03/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Given that this study was well-designed, its results don't surprise me at some level.

But did they compete CBD-high versus THC-high strains against each other?  I suspect a dealer's poor creativity when it comes to nomenclature is a far cry from actual differences in THC/CBD ratios.  :strokebeard2:


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: deCypher]
    #19223398 - 12/03/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have been smoking weed around 20 years and live in an area heavily laden with growers, indoor and out, so I have access to all different strains straight from the grower.

And I have never really noticed a difference in strains effect. the only difference I ever really noticed was look, smell/taste, and potency, but the high is always the same depending on dosage.

Just my 2cents


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19223539 - 12/03/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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I have been smoking weed around 20 years and live in an area heavily laden with growers, indoor and out, so I have access to all different strains straight from the grower.

And I have never really noticed a difference in strains effect. the only difference I ever really noticed was look, smell/taste, and potency, but the high is always the same depending on dosage.

Just my 2cents




Been smoking for 10 years, lived in 9 cities during that time from coast to coast. Definitely agree, haven't noticed much difference outside of the look/smell/taste/potency.

Not that I'm claiming there isn't any difference, but people are easily duped and can't seem to fathom the concept of a placebo. More peer-reviewed research on the subject would be great.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: Echro]
    #19223608 - 12/03/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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... he even disputes the commonly held notion that the two polar types of weed, indica and sativa, produce opposing effects -- specifically that indica is more of a depressant and sativa is more of an upper.






Finally someone speaks truth. No one can tell indica/sativa in a blind taste test, its 100 percent placebo. I do this all the time give people indica and tell them its sativa  and vice versa, its whatever you think it is or better yet whatever I tell you it is. Known this for a while sativa and indica are impossible to tell apart from smoking it.


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Re: Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says [Re: my3rdeye]
    #19223661 - 12/03/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I most definitely get varying effects from different kinds of weed.  Some weed I smoke it and I get all bugged out and hate smoking weed.  Other times friends will have a certain type of weed that always gets me feeling nice, with a high that I can enjoy, no paranoia, no weird feelings, etc.

People might say it's a difference within myself from day to day, which I guess I can't say for sure is inaccurate, but I've compared the highs at the same location, with the same people and in a same mindset and had completely different effects dependent upon the type of bud.  So I don't know about all this...


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