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The only NDE test worth consideration IMO
    #19222682 - 12/03/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Did the experiencer bring back any knowledge from the alleged heavenly realm that would be unobtainable by ordinary means?

As the answer appears to be "No", the 'after-life' is most likely an internally generated landscape.


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #19222703 - 12/03/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have heard that peoples beliefs greatly effect what they see also.


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19223153 - 12/03/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the 'after-life' is most likely an internally generated landscape.




That's what I think Planet Earth is, on account of the Big Bang/God did it idea making so little sense


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: viktor]
    #19223166 - 12/03/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So then you should be able to jump off a high cliff with any support.

Ready? Begin!


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: viktor]
    #19223172 - 12/03/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

how does that idea make any more sense? the fact that anything exists at all is absurd imo, so the answer as to why things exist is going to be absurd/counter-intuitive.


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: White Beard] * 1
    #19224112 - 12/03/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the fact that anything exists at all is absurd

The universe isn't obliged to make sense to monkeys living on a wet rock in some insignificant galaxy somewhere. Physics taught me that.


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: Diploid]
    #19224237 - 12/03/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Diploid what learned adaptive strategies towards resilience and contentment you have learned in regards to our futile and insignificant existence.


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: Jaegar] * 1
    #19224345 - 12/03/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Age has taught me to accept the things I can't change. That is a big step toward contentment. I also find contentment in bitching about those things I can't change. And the older I get, the more bitching people will put up with from me, so it's win-win. :oldman:

Oh, and lots of drugs help too. :hehehe:


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: Diploid]
    #19224705 - 12/03/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:lol::thumbup:


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19224746 - 12/03/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Did the experiencer bring back any knowledge from the alleged heavenly realm that would be unobtainable by ordinary means?

As the answer appears to be "No", the 'after-life' is most likely an internally generated landscape.



And the life you experience now is an internally generated landscape.


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: Diploid]
    #19224784 - 12/03/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the fact that anything exists at all is absurd

The universe isn't obliged to make sense to monkeys living on a wet rock in some insignificant galaxy somewhere. Physics taught me that.




Well said. Nothing has ever provided enough evidence for anyone to make the assumption that a monkey is even equipped with the necessary resources or the capacity to understand the universe, it is just not feasible.


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: Horizon]
    #19225019 - 12/03/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



          I understand ALL!


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19225281 - 12/04/13 03:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So then you should be able to jump off a high cliff with any support.

Ready? Begin!




I could, but choose not to :goat:


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: viktor]
    #19225296 - 12/04/13 04:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The universe isn't obliged to make sense to monkeys living on a wet rock in some insignificant galaxy somewhere.




I love it.

OC, often times in NDE's and OBE'S people are able to accurately describe what was happening in the room when they have no measurable brain or heart functions. What is your explanation for that?


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: LittleDipster]
    #19225318 - 12/04/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yes...there are documented cases (by surgeons and doctors) of exactly this.


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: LittleDipster]
    #19225343 - 12/04/13 04:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Stories/anecdotes are not evidence no matter how many there are. Not one person claiming an OBE has been able to accurately describe an object hidden from view under controlled circumstance.

The End.


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19226292 - 12/04/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Stories/anecdotes are not evidence no matter how many there are. Not one person claiming an OBE has been able to accurately describe an object hidden from view under >>>controlled circumstance<<<.

The End.



I think that needs emphasis, because it's not very common to have scientists with lab conditions around while one dies and comes back.


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #19226614 - 12/04/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone without a reading disorder would note that I EXPLICITY wrote OBE and not NDE in that statement.

:braindamage:


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19226752 - 12/04/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Stories/anecdotes are not evidence no matter how many there are. Not one person claiming an OBE has been able to accurately describe an object hidden from view under controlled circumstance.

The End.




That's what makes me question the validity of the phenomena, and consider it only as a dream until some evidence surfaces to the contrary.


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: teknix]
    #19226940 - 12/04/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's official! I now dub thee Sir Close-Minded Skeptic.

:notimpressed:


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19226945 - 12/04/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nah, I have chi remember, closed minded skeptics don't know about that.

I think open minded skeptic might be better :P


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #19234497 - 12/05/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Did the experiencer bring back any knowledge from the alleged heavenly realm that would be unobtainable by ordinary means?

As the answer appears to be "No", the 'after-life' is most likely an internally generated landscape.




How do you know?  Most of your reasoning isn't explicitly stated.

Why not take the effort you're putting into clever one-liners and put it into developing a coherent argument?


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19234638 - 12/06/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Did the experiencer bring back any knowledge from the alleged heavenly realm that would be unobtainable by ordinary means?

As the answer appears to be "No", the 'after-life' is most likely an internally generated landscape.




You can learn a lot about life from internally generated landscapes, if they don't drive you crazy (which they often seem to as evidenced by these boards).


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19234659 - 12/06/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It's official! I now dub thee Sir Close-Minded Skeptic.

:notimpressed:





Says the blind man.


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: hmmn]
    #19234664 - 12/06/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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hmmn said:
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Did the experiencer bring back any knowledge from the alleged heavenly realm that would be unobtainable by ordinary means?

As the answer appears to be "No", the 'after-life' is most likely an internally generated landscape.




How do you know?  Most of your reasoning isn't explicitly stated.

Why not take the effort you're putting into clever one-liners and put it into developing a coherent argument?




Every single place I have visited I have brought back some piece of knowledge that I did not have before, haven't you?

Yet God allegedly 'talked' to many of these people, gave them great insight and wisdom and showed them the Secrets of the Universe and they don't even have a t-shirt to show for it.


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: Amishmedic8]
    #19234676 - 12/06/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do you have a better word than 'skeptic' for someone who questions the validity of something?


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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19239544 - 12/07/13 04:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Anyone without a reading disorder would note that I EXPLICITY wrote OBE and not NDE in that statement.

:braindamage:



If there's no connection from OBEs and NDEs, why do you make one ? :nono:


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    #19239910 - 12/07/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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hmmn said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Did the experiencer bring back any knowledge from the alleged heavenly realm that would be unobtainable by ordinary means?

As the answer appears to be "No", the 'after-life' is most likely an internally generated landscape.




How do you know?  Most of your reasoning isn't explicitly stated.

Why not take the effort you're putting into clever one-liners and put it into developing a coherent argument?




Every single place I have visited I have brought back some piece of knowledge that I did not have before, haven't you?

Yet God allegedly 'talked' to many of these people, gave them great insight and wisdom and showed them the Secrets of the Universe and they don't even have a t-shirt to show for it.




Ah, this is good.

Yes - for every place I have visited with enough awareness to bring back memory of the experience, I've brought back some information I didn't seem to have before.  I wouldn't say knowledge; I've probably visited places and returned from them retaining nothing but false beliefs.  But in general, visiting new locations with my body yields information that I didn't have before.

For the sake of argument, let's suppose for now that nobody has ever brought back new information from an OBE or NDE that they couldn't have obtained already through consensual reality.

How do you get from these two premises to the claim that there is no reasonable explanation but that OBE and NDE experiences are nothing more than internally generated realms?


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