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Nah, I have chi remember, closed minded skeptics don't know about that.
I think open minded skeptic might be better :P
Edited by teknix (12/04/13 02:29 PM)
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hmmn


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OrgoneConclusion said: Did the experiencer bring back any knowledge from the alleged heavenly realm that would be unobtainable by ordinary means?
As the answer appears to be "No", the 'after-life' is most likely an internally generated landscape.
How do you know? Most of your reasoning isn't explicitly stated.
Why not take the effort you're putting into clever one-liners and put it into developing a coherent argument?
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OrgoneConclusion said: Did the experiencer bring back any knowledge from the alleged heavenly realm that would be unobtainable by ordinary means?
As the answer appears to be "No", the 'after-life' is most likely an internally generated landscape.
You can learn a lot about life from internally generated landscapes, if they don't drive you crazy (which they often seem to as evidenced by these boards).
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OrgoneConclusion said: It's official! I now dub thee Sir Close-Minded Skeptic.

Says the blind man.
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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: hmmn]
#19234664 - 12/06/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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hmmn said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Did the experiencer bring back any knowledge from the alleged heavenly realm that would be unobtainable by ordinary means?
As the answer appears to be "No", the 'after-life' is most likely an internally generated landscape.
How do you know? Most of your reasoning isn't explicitly stated.
Why not take the effort you're putting into clever one-liners and put it into developing a coherent argument?
Every single place I have visited I have brought back some piece of knowledge that I did not have before, haven't you?
Yet God allegedly 'talked' to many of these people, gave them great insight and wisdom and showed them the Secrets of the Universe and they don't even have a t-shirt to show for it.
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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: Amishmedic8]
#19234676 - 12/06/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you have a better word than 'skeptic' for someone who questions the validity of something?
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OrgoneConclusion said: Anyone without a reading disorder would note that I EXPLICITY wrote OBE and not NDE in that statement.

If there's no connection from OBEs and NDEs, why do you make one ?
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hmmn


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OrgoneConclusion said:
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hmmn said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Did the experiencer bring back any knowledge from the alleged heavenly realm that would be unobtainable by ordinary means?
As the answer appears to be "No", the 'after-life' is most likely an internally generated landscape.
How do you know? Most of your reasoning isn't explicitly stated.
Why not take the effort you're putting into clever one-liners and put it into developing a coherent argument?
Every single place I have visited I have brought back some piece of knowledge that I did not have before, haven't you?
Yet God allegedly 'talked' to many of these people, gave them great insight and wisdom and showed them the Secrets of the Universe and they don't even have a t-shirt to show for it.
Ah, this is good.
Yes - for every place I have visited with enough awareness to bring back memory of the experience, I've brought back some information I didn't seem to have before. I wouldn't say knowledge; I've probably visited places and returned from them retaining nothing but false beliefs. But in general, visiting new locations with my body yields information that I didn't have before.
For the sake of argument, let's suppose for now that nobody has ever brought back new information from an OBE or NDE that they couldn't have obtained already through consensual reality.
How do you get from these two premises to the claim that there is no reasonable explanation but that OBE and NDE experiences are nothing more than internally generated realms?
Edited by hmmn (12/07/13 08:52 AM)
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