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The only NDE test worth consideration IMO
#19222682 - 12/03/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Did the experiencer bring back any knowledge from the alleged heavenly realm that would be unobtainable by ordinary means?
As the answer appears to be "No", the 'after-life' is most likely an internally generated landscape.
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I have heard that peoples beliefs greatly effect what they see also.
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OrgoneConclusion said: the 'after-life' is most likely an internally generated landscape.
That's what I think Planet Earth is, on account of the Big Bang/God did it idea making so little sense
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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: viktor]
#19223166 - 12/03/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So then you should be able to jump off a high cliff with any support.
Ready? Begin!
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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: viktor]
#19223172 - 12/03/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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how does that idea make any more sense? the fact that anything exists at all is absurd imo, so the answer as to why things exist is going to be absurd/counter-intuitive.
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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: White Beard] 1
#19224112 - 12/03/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the fact that anything exists at all is absurd
The universe isn't obliged to make sense to monkeys living on a wet rock in some insignificant galaxy somewhere. Physics taught me that.
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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: Diploid]
#19224237 - 12/03/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Diploid what learned adaptive strategies towards resilience and contentment you have learned in regards to our futile and insignificant existence.
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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: Jaegar] 1
#19224345 - 12/03/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Age has taught me to accept the things I can't change. That is a big step toward contentment. I also find contentment in bitching about those things I can't change. And the older I get, the more bitching people will put up with from me, so it's win-win. 
Oh, and lots of drugs help too.
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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: Diploid]
#19224705 - 12/03/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Did the experiencer bring back any knowledge from the alleged heavenly realm that would be unobtainable by ordinary means?
As the answer appears to be "No", the 'after-life' is most likely an internally generated landscape.
And the life you experience now is an internally generated landscape.
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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: Diploid]
#19224784 - 12/03/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Diploid said: the fact that anything exists at all is absurd
The universe isn't obliged to make sense to monkeys living on a wet rock in some insignificant galaxy somewhere. Physics taught me that.
Well said. Nothing has ever provided enough evidence for anyone to make the assumption that a monkey is even equipped with the necessary resources or the capacity to understand the universe, it is just not feasible.
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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: Horizon]
#19225019 - 12/03/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I understand ALL!
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OrgoneConclusion said: So then you should be able to jump off a high cliff with any support.
Ready? Begin!
I could, but choose not to
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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: viktor]
#19225296 - 12/04/13 04:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The universe isn't obliged to make sense to monkeys living on a wet rock in some insignificant galaxy somewhere.
I love it.
OC, often times in NDE's and OBE'S people are able to accurately describe what was happening in the room when they have no measurable brain or heart functions. What is your explanation for that?
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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: LittleDipster]
#19225318 - 12/04/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes...there are documented cases (by surgeons and doctors) of exactly this.
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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: LittleDipster]
#19225343 - 12/04/13 04:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stories/anecdotes are not evidence no matter how many there are. Not one person claiming an OBE has been able to accurately describe an object hidden from view under controlled circumstance.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Stories/anecdotes are not evidence no matter how many there are. Not one person claiming an OBE has been able to accurately describe an object hidden from view under >>>controlled circumstance<<<.
The End.
I think that needs emphasis, because it's not very common to have scientists with lab conditions around while one dies and comes back.
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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: BlueCoyote]
#19226614 - 12/04/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anyone without a reading disorder would note that I EXPLICITY wrote OBE and not NDE in that statement.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Stories/anecdotes are not evidence no matter how many there are. Not one person claiming an OBE has been able to accurately describe an object hidden from view under controlled circumstance.
The End.
That's what makes me question the validity of the phenomena, and consider it only as a dream until some evidence surfaces to the contrary.
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Re: The only NDE test worth consideration IMO [Re: teknix]
#19226940 - 12/04/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's official! I now dub thee Sir Close-Minded Skeptic.
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