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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: st1llnox]
    #19222249 - 12/03/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

As much as I love post-whoring from time to time I'm gonna pm you because we got shit goin in 2 or 3 threads :lol:


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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: st1llnox]
    #19222250 - 12/03/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

FYI

The worst withdrawal symptoms occur on the 3rd day of cessation of drinking.  Though could be as early as the 2nd day.


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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: st1llnox]
    #19222253 - 12/03/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have an addictive personality but selectively for some reason; (most) opiates, (most) benzos, and stimulants (though I've only had Adderall, Dexedrine, and Concerta) don't phase me but DXM, alcohol, and ESPECIALLY K2 (I really am boggled how I'm still alive heh) are super addicting to me.

Also, every once in a while I just want to feel different and will use something idiotic like DPH to get high during drug famines.





I'm not much different, except it's only marijuana and synthetic noids when I did those for two or three years.

I've told you before, my tolerance would get to the point that I was smoking a gram of jwh-018 (chemical, not plant matter with chemical applied) a day, and I wouldn't even get high from regular ol' marijuana. That's part of the reason I quit buying the stuff (Plus my states always adding more of them to the banned list).

Alcohol I will abuse, but only for a night or two and then I have no problem dropping it for a week or two. I'll buy a fifth and swear to myself I will hold on to it, but find myself hours later taking the last shot and wondering where it went. :facepalm: :lol:

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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: Set]
    #19222255 - 12/03/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have been worried about seizures and stuff but I think if I drink water and green tea like a mofo, and smoke herb all day for the next week I'll survive


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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: thizzlemaniac]
    #19222256 - 12/03/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

YOU CAN DO IT!




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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: st1llnox]
    #19222265 - 12/03/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I just don't see complete sobriety ever being a realistic solution for me.

I don't even know how to do that.  What do sober adults do at night when they get together?  Nothing?  Board Games?

The only sober people I know also happen to be the most boring people I know.  Wonder if that's a coincidence.  :rolleyes:





Yeah, and some of the most staunch ANTI drug (as opposed to merely sober) people tend to be kind of dumb or ignorant. Not always though, and not all of them are boring but that is definitely a trend with/for sober peeps.



My ex-boyfriends parents would go to work every day and then come home and sit in front of a TV for a few hours eating salty food and then go to bed.

I'm not saying drugs are the only answer or are the singular difference between us and that, but they sure help plus I have a huge aversion to blandness anyway. Back at college, I was always the one who got our group to go out and actually have fun and do shit like skateboard or go to the mall when otherwise they seemed content to play video games all the time.


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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: st1llnox]
    #19222268 - 12/03/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

We are doing it, but if he wants to start tomorrow I'll let it slide


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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: st1llnox]
    #19222269 - 12/03/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You could trip acid every day for a year while smoking a bowl of salvia for dinner weed for breakfast, and snorting M before bed... take a year off and bounce completely back from it (aside from likely having no friends, accomplishments, or motivation)


The brain is resilient as FUCK.


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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: st1llnox]
    #19222274 - 12/03/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You could always buy a horse.


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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: thizzlemaniac]
    #19222275 - 12/03/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have been worried about seizures and stuff but I think if I drink water and green tea like a mofo, and smoke herb all day for the next week I'll survive



Those measures won't significantly affect GABA.  The brain of the chronic drinker doesn't produce as much GABA as it should (or isn't as receptive to GABA, I forget), that's what creates the seizures in acute withdrawal.


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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: ModestMouse]
    #19222304 - 12/03/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Aaaaah so many replies during mine.

Everlong, synth noids are just evil IMO and I will literally never touch them again. I am 8 months clean off that shit. Wouldn't smoke it again for a million dollars.

During my final (fingers crossed) stint in a psych ward, they had a craft/activity room and I made my best friend a tile art square with a fish swimming away from a hook to commemorate me quitting.

It took totaling a car and going to jail for a few hours to get me off the shit though. If that hadn't happened, who knows?


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FYI

The worst withdrawal symptoms occur on the 3rd day of cessation of drinking.  Though could be as early as the 2nd day.




Good info and thanks for sharing it with us. I'll have weed by then although I don't know what and how much to expect in terms of W/D. I have just been using it so often and so much... we'll see :shrug:. It's Thiz I'm concerned for right now in that regard.

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Do it dude.
The outcome will be far greater now then putting this off and missing out on opportunities.like you were saying a car?  :cool:





Dude so true... after this 8th, MAYBE I'll just try out total sobriety.

Also, when my MFLB is fixed and if I can muster some discipline, I could conceivably be a vape-stoner at home without anyone knowing.

It would feel manipulative to me to just quit everything, then get a car, then start back up.

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I have been worried about seizures and stuff but I think if I drink water and green tea like a mofo, and smoke herb all day for the next week I'll survive



Those measures won't significantly affect GABA.  The brain of the chronic drinker doesn't produce as much GABA as it should (or isn't as receptive to GABA, I forget), that's what creates the seizures in acute withdrawal.




The pharmacokinetics of weed if I recall correctly have it binding to CB1/2 which in turn releases GABA which stimulates endorphin release and for certain seizures, high CBD strains are being used as anticonvulsants so this is definitely better than nothing but as a daily drinker (which frankly I might have been too--I tend to rationalize), a little GABA splash downstream might not cut it.

I bet you it's both with both downregulation issues and potential damage to the sites. IDK if it's a GABA agonist or if it binds at the benzo sites to merely potentiate GABA.

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You could trip acid every day for a year while smoking a bowl of salvia for dinner weed for breakfast, and snorting M before bed... take a year off and bounce completely back from it (aside from likely having no friends, accomplishments, or motivation)


The brain is resilient as FUCK.





Thanks for that dude :highfive:. I think you're right and it'll be fine.

I could always experiment with lithium or *racetams to nudge things back toward "smart" but I think just letting things settle would be the best thing for now.


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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: st1llnox]
    #19222328 - 12/03/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: Set] * 1
    #19222350 - 12/03/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The idea of sobriety literally scares me



I hear that.

I've given sobriety a shot.  Been to a lot of AA.


I just don't see complete sobriety ever being a realistic solution for me.

I don't even know how to do that.  What do sober adults do at night when they get together?  Nothing?  Board Games?

The only sober people I know also happen to be the most boring people I know.  Wonder if that's a coincidence.  :rolleyes:



Lmao....man, you remind me of myself, once upon a time....couldn't stand the thought of going anywhere without drinking or drugging involved.Seemed senseless....problem is, the shit takes a toll and we usually don't see it until things are really fucked.
When I say fucked, I mean losing everything and everyone around you and knowing loneliness like you never imagined.
My deal was alcohol, but the only drugs I take any chance on today are mushies and LSD and then...just rarely. I have lost that luxury that others can afford...so, to me , the choice was to live or to die a slow agonizing death.
And the fun thing....I have more fun today than I ever did at the end of my drinking....I won't say ever, because that just isn't true....I've had some amazing times drinking in early days...just not at the end.The end was drinking to oblivion when I swore to myself that I wouldn't....Anyway, that was almost 15 years ago. Unless you think that buying a house on the water and going boating/ fishing/ or jet skiing anytime I want to during the summer/ fall. I can drive to any concert anywhere without worrying about getting back home safely...I love music and have been to 10 times the amount of shows than I did before I stopped. ....Never been to jail sober either.:sunny::peace:M


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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #19222377 - 12/03/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You are using drugs to mask some other insecurity you have about life. Find what it is, and deal with it. That is what scares you not sobriety. Dealing with it


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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: Magicman69]
    #19222392 - 12/03/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Haha great reply.

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And the fun thing....I have more fun today than I ever did at the end of my drinking....I won't say ever, because that just isn't true....I've had some amazing times drinking in early days...just not at the end.




This is exactly how I'm starting to feel. At first, it was new and was an objective in itself and it evolved nicely to become a social accent or garnish (albeit sometimes a central one, in the case of most parties).

Now, though I'm largely using it to cope with boredom, it's just made me and everything more boring (save for the occasional blacked out night where I terrorize people or whatever).



Glad you're doing well! Did psychedelics influence or play any sort of role in this transition?

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You are using drugs to mask some other insecurity you have about life. Find what it is, and deal with it. That is what scares you not sobriety. Dealing with it




Hmm I didn't even think about this but it's probably deeper than *just* boredom. Thanks for pointing this out... I think this will be good as well as maybe trying to configure my life to crowd out susceptible possible scenarios. Then again, I drank at home before me and my best friend met up to go play pool at a bar (:facepalm:) so I think you're right that I need to change the inside, not the outside.


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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: st1llnox]
    #19222396 - 12/03/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I just remembered I know where to get Xanax.  I've never liked it much but it could come in handy.

I have a lot of things I'm dealing with (running from) I'll deal with them when the time comes, but for now I'm choosing to stop drinking because as of right now it's only making things worse.


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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: thizzlemaniac]
    #19222421 - 12/03/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I hate Xanax... it's just way too strong and doesn't taste good like temazepam or klonnies. But, defs better than a seizure.


And I'm totally on the same page, very much running from crap. Remember that semi-/informal research gig I was so excited about? Haven't talked to the guy in over a month. I'm terrified to because maybe he won't want to work with me now, so I don't contact him and the longer time span's only increasing the likelihood of the bad outcome.

For now though, bye bye alcohol. It really is just making things worse.

I'm curious if I'll look like a British mother in 30 days too :zomgzomgzomg:


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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: st1llnox]
    #19222449 - 12/03/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the main thing that sux the most about sobriety is feeling like theres no fun to be had without the use of drugs, i've used pills/weed/alcohol/speed. The only one i used all the time was weed im now 27 i've been smoking since 14 yrs old and the longest i've gone without getting high was probably 2 weeks and said fuck it, As for the rest of the drugs i mentioned i would use randomly but i was always around it cause all my friends were junkies, and now days i try to stay away from junkies but that would mean to not hang out with any of my friends at all


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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: flipsidetrue]
    #19222544 - 12/03/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Meanwhile I'm here typing and sipping away on my 9th glass of wine at 8:43 in the morning.


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Re: The idea of sobriety literally scares me [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19222556 - 12/03/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

IMO sobriety is probably one of the best things you could do. I'm jealous of people that have it without even trying.


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