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OfflineValyr
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Now wtf is this?
    #19222059 - 12/03/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: Valyr]
    #19222105 - 12/03/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Is it oozy or just a dry discolorlation?


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19222139 - 12/03/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

dry discoloration. I thought maybe metabolites at first so I tried to dab a spot of it with a sterile cloth. Didnt come off.

Sorry for the wtf. Starting to get discouraged. This is the third attempt at bulk and every one of them has done some weird contam or something. This one has been stalled out for a few days now too.

Think I might just go back to pf tek lol. 5 grows on brf cakes and no problems. Switch to bulk and nothing but problems lol.


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: Valyr]
    #19222156 - 12/03/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You have a nasty bacterial problem. Doubt that thing will fruit.

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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19222531 - 12/03/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

great lol. Thanks frank :smile:. Yeah im deff going back to brf cakes in a sgfc. Atleast until I can afford to setup a positive pressure grow room with hepa filtration. Air is just too dang dirty here i think.


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: Valyr]
    #19222548 - 12/03/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you'll never be able to have a proper "clean" room in your house.

You just need to work on your sterile technique, my friend.

Start working with agar. You'll see that getting a clean culture is not difficult with a little practice.

Make sure to work in a still air box. I do all my work in one.

Properly pasteurize your substrate.

And I bet you'll have a ton of success.

My house is the definition of old and crappy. RR has an old house too from his description. But we get by and so do many others :wink:


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19222955 - 12/03/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ya man, just keep practicing tubs while you start new cakes. Its worth it. I live in a shit hole and hate dusting lol. I am more successful with tubs than not. Good luck!


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: cacophonyhead]
    #19223070 - 12/03/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the encouragement guys lol :smile:. Just seems weird to me that my contam problems all happen in the bulk substrate. Havent gotten anything yet on my jars. And never got anything on my brf cakes before either.

I actually do my work in front of a flowhood (friend of mine owns his own heating/aircondition business and hooked me up with stuff left from jobs) but Ill try the sab if you think its better. Havent started agar work yet just cause havent had the funds to buy everything (agar, scalpels, burners, dishes, etc) yet.

Yeah my house is old too lol. Its a five bedroom built in early 1800's, surrounded by 4 amish dairy farms and we have 5 dogs, 8 cats and 2 cows. Friggin hate animals lol. Not really but its,good to vent :smile:

Actually thinking about adding some pigs to the mix.


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: Valyr]
    #19224452 - 12/03/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe your problem lays in your sub pasturizing technique then?


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: cacophonyhead]
    #19224503 - 12/03/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:awenuhuh:  whats up with that tube poking thru the side of the tub?? (1st&2nd pic)


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: Josh.0]
    #19224533 - 12/03/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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:awenuhuh:  whats up with that tube poking thru the side of the tub?? (1st&2nd pic)




this^^^

and did you use bucket tek


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: cacophonyhead]
    #19224541 - 12/03/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Frank wasn't kidding about starting with agar. If you just want to fire spores in a jar then pf tek is your best bet. But if your serious about doing grains and bulk, then agar is the best route for inoculate.

Agar is not hard nor does it need to be expensive. Any serious cultivator on these boards swears by it.


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19224695 - 12/03/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Frank wasn't kidding about starting with agar. If you just want to fire spores in a jar then pf tek is your best bet. But if your serious about doing grains and bulk, then agar is the best route for inoculate.

Agar is not hard nor does it need to be expensive. Any serious cultivator on these boards swears by it.




QFT.  its so easy now especially with pastys tek with simple pp5 lil containers and there is so many easy agar recipes

so you dont have to order petris online etc


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: twistedty]
    #19224847 - 12/03/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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its so easy now especially with pastys tek with simple pp5 lil containers and there is so many easy agar recipes

so you dont have to order petris online etc




Thanks ty :thumbup: just hope people find it as useful as I have. No matter what method or tek, the more people we can get on the agar train, the better.


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19224928 - 12/03/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The tube is to an air pump with hepa filtration since I dont have the big holes with polyfill. I was also thinking of running a water line to a atomizer or something on the lid too connected to timers so it auto mists and fans lol. Just my macguyver side :smile:. Or however he spelled his name.

I use franks pasteurization tek. Though I probably fucked it up lol. I have a hard time getting the center of my sub to temp before the outsides get way over temp lol. I think that was because I went somewhat dry this time so it wasnt passing temp along like it should. I was having a problem with condensation and didnt know it was because I was using heat mats. Thought I was using too much water. I know now :smile:.

Its deffinetely been a learning experience so far and I am loving it. Just repeated failures were getting me down. Need to see some of my nice pretty mushrooms popping up! And man watching that myc GOOOOO. Its friggin awesome, and the different way the fuzz and the rhizo go. Beautiful networks. I really wanna buy a microscope too. But anyways I digress.

Think I'll take that advice above and do both brf cakes and bulk simultaneously. Atleast that way I'll still get to see my prettys while I perfect my bulk technique.


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: Valyr]
    #19224949 - 12/03/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The tube is to an air pump with hepa filtration since I dont have the big holes with polyfill. I was also thinking of running a water line to a atomizer or something on the lid too connected to timers so it auto mists and fans lol. Just my macguyver side :smile:. Or however he spelled his name.

I use franks pasteurization tek. Though I probably fucked it up lol. I have a hard time getting the center of my sub to temp before the outsides get way over temp lol. I think that was because I went somewhat dry this time so it wasnt passing temp along like it should. I was having a problem with condensation and didnt know it was because I was using heat mats. Thought I was using too much water. I know now :smile:.

Its deffinetely been a learning experience so far and I am loving it. Just repeated failures were getting me down. Need to see some of my nice pretty mushrooms popping up! And man watching that myc GOOOOO. Its friggin awesome, and the different way the fuzz and the rhizo go. Beautiful networks. I really wanna buy a microscope too. But anyways I digress.

Think I'll take that advice above and do both brf cakes and bulk simultaneously. Atleast that way I'll still get to see my prettys while I perfect my bulk technique.


Wait, do you have an air pump pushing air directly into your fruiting chamber/Tub?  Constant air being pumped into into your chamber is like fanning a SGFC constantly, without adding any misting.  Its no wonder you had dry discoloration.  The constant air probably dried your substrate, weakened the myclieum, allowing the bacteria to move in.

Hope Im not coming off too critical - I love the creative thinking, its just you provided a ton of evaporation without compensating with any water.


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: Valyr]
    #19224955 - 12/03/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The tube is to an air pump with hepa filtration since I dont have the big holes with polyfill. I was also thinking of running a water line to a atomizer or something on the lid too connected to timers so it auto mists and fans lol. Just my macguyver side :smile:. Or however he spelled his name.




Unnecessary. Monotubs work best with the "big" holes and the poly stuffed tight in the bottoms and loose in the tops. Then they "automate" themselves. MacGuyver couldn't grow mushrooms with a paperclip or a rubber band :shrug:

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I use franks pasteurization tek. Though I probably fucked it up lol. I have a hard time getting the center of my sub to temp before the outsides get way over temp lol. I think that was because I went somewhat dry this time so it wasnt passing temp along like it should. I was having a problem with condensation and didnt know it was because I was using heat mats. Thought I was using too much water. I know now :smile:.




Heating mats, incubators and the like are recipes for fail until you know what your doing. You may have messed up the pasteurization temps but that really shouldn't matter much if your sub was coir/verm and if your spawn was clean, your sub field capacity, or at least not too wet.

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Think I'll take that advice above and do both brf cakes and bulk simultaneously. Atleast that way I'll still get to see my prettys while I perfect my bulk technique.




Probably not a bad idea. More is more at any rate :thumbup:


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19224990 - 12/03/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19225042 - 12/04/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The fan is on a timer. Fifteen minutes on, 45 minutes off. I was getting the white fuzz on my fruits wich i read was not enough fae. And its not direct, it passes through a 99.97 hepa filter in the line. And not critical at all toker :smile:. Constructive.

The sub was coir, verm, coffee pasty. Wich makes the pasteurization much more important as I understand it. And the water content I would call under feild. I could squeeze it firm and get a drop or two where ive read that at feild when squeezing firm you should get a small short stream.

Thanks Islandlife and all of you for your input, sharing of knowledge and encouragement. I seriously do appreciate it and it helps to ward off the discouragement lol.


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: Valyr]
    #19225062 - 12/04/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well next time I advise to ditch the MacGyver shit, build a proper monotub, leave out the coffee until you are confident in your pasteurization techniques and you will probably see better results. Really it just sounds like you took something simple, and made it ten times as hard as it needed to be :shrug:


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19225071 - 12/04/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks ty :thumbup: just hope people find it as useful as I have. No matter what method or tek, the more people we can get on the agar train, the better.





my thoughts exactly, its so much easier than people think.  and it helps eliminate problems down the road with peoples grows if they start from a clean culture to master jar


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: twistedty]
    #19225122 - 12/04/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The fan is on a timer. Fifteen minutes on, 45 minutes off. I was getting the white fuzz on my fruits wich i read was not enough fae. And its not direct, it passes through a 99.97 hepa filter in the line. And not critical at all toker :smile:. Constructive.


Meh, not as bad as 24/7 fanning but still not optimal and probably still the source of your contam.  If you were doing this every hour, that still about the same as fanning 24 times a day. The air coming in might have been sterile, but the surface area that your tub is on, as well as the inside of your tub, is not. Bacteria are everywhere, and reproduce rapidly using binary fission.  The pump dried the substrate, the bacteria inside the tub already took advantage of the weakened myclieum. 

Fuzzy feet can be a sign of poor FAE, however it can also happen normally too.  Without any other negative indicators, and if the mushrooms are still growing to a good size with solid mass, then it would probably be best to continue doing what works.  Ive had fuzzy feet on cubensis I picked in the wild, where there is no better FAE.

If your going to experiment with methods, you should probably do two grows.  A control grow using methods you already know work, and your experimental grow, using methods you thought of.  That way you know if the control succeeds, while the experimental one fails, you know it was probably the tweaks you did that caused the failure, in the absence of evidence of a contam for a different source/part of the process.


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: 2bittoker]
    #19225298 - 12/04/13 04:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hell, my mono's just have six 1/8 holes with no poly. Usually 4-5 flushes before contams if any. All the FAE I need from just a ceiling fan on low. Def no need for all that complication when you can get good results from even a lazyass setup like mine. :smirk:


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: Valyr]
    #19225411 - 12/04/13 05:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The fan is on a timer. Fifteen minutes on, 45 minutes off. I was getting the white fuzz on my fruits wich i read was not enough fae. And its not direct, it passes through a 99.97 hepa filter in the line. And not critical at all toker :smile:. Constructive.




I haven't used a filtered air pump for a tub, but I have an FC that I use for my cakes which uses a filtered pump.  It's a regular fishtank pump with a large Acrodisc 0.45um filter.  I set my timer up differently though.  I think you're overdoing it with 15/45 on the hour.  I was running the pump 15m every 4 hours and things turned out well.  I also had a timer running a cool mist vaporizer for 5m every 4 hours.  It seemed to do the trick for keeping humidity and FAE in check since I wasn't around all day to tend to fanning and misting.


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: CliftonGK1]
    #19226119 - 12/04/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Good stuff guys :smile:. Thanks again.

My McGyver shit was an idea on the atomizer. Its not actually hooked up. The air pump is though. I also use weather stripping on the top of the tub to create a seal between tub and lid and the six holes i have drilled on the oposite side of the tub from the air pump have micropore on them. Was thinking of adding sfd to them aswell. Reason I was trying to design all of this is that I work 12-20hrs a day in season so I wouldnt be around for the manual fanning. Im laid off right now (winter) so Im here, just tryin to think ahead I guess.

Your absolutely right TOker. I should keep to what I know works and learn the basic methods while keeping my mcgyver shit to a experimental tub. Common newbie mistake I would guess. Jumping in the deep end before I know how to wade nevermind swim.

So yes, Im going to take a step back. Probably switch my two tubs i have now into sgfc with brf cakes and buy a third to play around with bulk till I feel confident in my skills, technique and recipes to switch it all over again.

And I know i said it at top but here it is again. Thanks all! This community is awesome. So nice in fact that it may have even restored some of my faith in the kindness of people lol. Its just surprising the amount of support that pours forth from these forums.


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: twistedty]
    #19226174 - 12/04/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks ty :thumbup: just hope people find it as useful as I have. No matter what method or tek, the more people we can get on the agar train, the better.





my thoughts exactly, its so much easier than people think.  and it helps eliminate problems down the road with peoples grows if they start from a clean culture to master jar



I started my hobby with bulk....I wish I had studied agar sooner.  As TY and Patsy point out, Agar is actually quite simple.  It introduces a slight cost, but the benefits outweigh the costs EVERY TIME.  Agar opens avenues to success that are not available with a supplied MSS.


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