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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19225071 - 12/04/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks ty :thumbup: just hope people find it as useful as I have. No matter what method or tek, the more people we can get on the agar train, the better.





my thoughts exactly, its so much easier than people think.  and it helps eliminate problems down the road with peoples grows if they start from a clean culture to master jar


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: twistedty]
    #19225122 - 12/04/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The fan is on a timer. Fifteen minutes on, 45 minutes off. I was getting the white fuzz on my fruits wich i read was not enough fae. And its not direct, it passes through a 99.97 hepa filter in the line. And not critical at all toker :smile:. Constructive.


Meh, not as bad as 24/7 fanning but still not optimal and probably still the source of your contam.  If you were doing this every hour, that still about the same as fanning 24 times a day. The air coming in might have been sterile, but the surface area that your tub is on, as well as the inside of your tub, is not. Bacteria are everywhere, and reproduce rapidly using binary fission.  The pump dried the substrate, the bacteria inside the tub already took advantage of the weakened myclieum. 

Fuzzy feet can be a sign of poor FAE, however it can also happen normally too.  Without any other negative indicators, and if the mushrooms are still growing to a good size with solid mass, then it would probably be best to continue doing what works.  Ive had fuzzy feet on cubensis I picked in the wild, where there is no better FAE.

If your going to experiment with methods, you should probably do two grows.  A control grow using methods you already know work, and your experimental grow, using methods you thought of.  That way you know if the control succeeds, while the experimental one fails, you know it was probably the tweaks you did that caused the failure, in the absence of evidence of a contam for a different source/part of the process.


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: 2bittoker]
    #19225298 - 12/04/13 04:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hell, my mono's just have six 1/8 holes with no poly. Usually 4-5 flushes before contams if any. All the FAE I need from just a ceiling fan on low. Def no need for all that complication when you can get good results from even a lazyass setup like mine. :smirk:


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: Valyr]
    #19225411 - 12/04/13 05:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The fan is on a timer. Fifteen minutes on, 45 minutes off. I was getting the white fuzz on my fruits wich i read was not enough fae. And its not direct, it passes through a 99.97 hepa filter in the line. And not critical at all toker :smile:. Constructive.




I haven't used a filtered air pump for a tub, but I have an FC that I use for my cakes which uses a filtered pump.  It's a regular fishtank pump with a large Acrodisc 0.45um filter.  I set my timer up differently though.  I think you're overdoing it with 15/45 on the hour.  I was running the pump 15m every 4 hours and things turned out well.  I also had a timer running a cool mist vaporizer for 5m every 4 hours.  It seemed to do the trick for keeping humidity and FAE in check since I wasn't around all day to tend to fanning and misting.


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: CliftonGK1]
    #19226119 - 12/04/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Good stuff guys :smile:. Thanks again.

My McGyver shit was an idea on the atomizer. Its not actually hooked up. The air pump is though. I also use weather stripping on the top of the tub to create a seal between tub and lid and the six holes i have drilled on the oposite side of the tub from the air pump have micropore on them. Was thinking of adding sfd to them aswell. Reason I was trying to design all of this is that I work 12-20hrs a day in season so I wouldnt be around for the manual fanning. Im laid off right now (winter) so Im here, just tryin to think ahead I guess.

Your absolutely right TOker. I should keep to what I know works and learn the basic methods while keeping my mcgyver shit to a experimental tub. Common newbie mistake I would guess. Jumping in the deep end before I know how to wade nevermind swim.

So yes, Im going to take a step back. Probably switch my two tubs i have now into sgfc with brf cakes and buy a third to play around with bulk till I feel confident in my skills, technique and recipes to switch it all over again.

And I know i said it at top but here it is again. Thanks all! This community is awesome. So nice in fact that it may have even restored some of my faith in the kindness of people lol. Its just surprising the amount of support that pours forth from these forums.


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Re: Now wtf is this? [Re: twistedty]
    #19226174 - 12/04/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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twistedty said:
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Pastywhyte said:


Thanks ty :thumbup: just hope people find it as useful as I have. No matter what method or tek, the more people we can get on the agar train, the better.





my thoughts exactly, its so much easier than people think.  and it helps eliminate problems down the road with peoples grows if they start from a clean culture to master jar



I started my hobby with bulk....I wish I had studied agar sooner.  As TY and Patsy point out, Agar is actually quite simple.  It introduces a slight cost, but the benefits outweigh the costs EVERY TIME.  Agar opens avenues to success that are not available with a supplied MSS.


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