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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Chronic7]
    #19221576 - 12/03/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The Chronic said:
the pursuit of anything else is as equally stupid





Oh I agree but we can't help it.  :pantytail:


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: NastyDHL]
    #19221737 - 12/03/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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NastyDHL said:
in Hinduism and and Buddhism as well a ancient Chinese medicine there is an energetic body that is spoken of.

My impression is that enlightenment is the full awareness of this energetic or light body, where the mind's eye is focused in such a way that it is no longer ignorant of the use of ones energy in ways that are extraneous to the "present moment".




100% agree.

The ego thing is only a small step.

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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: cez]
    #19221942 - 12/03/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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cez said:
In my opinion.
Whenever I see the word I cringe.

What the hell does it even mean to "pursue enlightenment?"




let me tell you what it means ..

it means like an object is your source .. that is why you and I will be pissed and willing to piss on that, joking of course :burke:

me what really hit my nerves.. is to see how things are pointed being living, and living sources ... what are we doing there?? especially when we are meaning ourselves needs and wills ???

they keep willing to exploit values as objects sources that must be the reason of individuals beings so they can be in power over all... if you do this you are a lion heart.. so you would get that piece of cake to eat as a living being ..

like what also they describe what is to have wisdom .. like something in your pocket for life


all is about our slavery in such insolent insolent ever terms ... right on our faces .. and they jump all over especially in the body to force it to slavery insolently .. in front of every others bodies .. as if your body was never for you, and all forces comes at you suddenly to make it look like your body is an object being your source ...as an ultra sensitive reactor ... from what they want to make you a source of others reactions .. like all beings kind.. they invent light as an object source by meaning the darkness of our faces from their asses wills..

can you see how incredibly evil all is ??


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: absols] * 1
    #19221974 - 12/03/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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absols said:
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cez said:
In my opinion.
Whenever I see the word I cringe.

What the hell does it even mean to "pursue enlightenment?"




let me tell you what it means ..

it means like an object is your source .. that is why you and I will be pissed and willing to piss on that, joking of course :burke:

me what really hit my nerves.. is to see how things are pointed being living, and living sources ... what are we doing there?? especially when we are meaning ourselves needs and wills ???

they keep describing at is courage package ... if you do this you are a lion .. so you would get that piece of cake to eat for living being ..

and most of it they describe what is to have wisdom .. like something in your pocket for living

all is about our slavery in such insolent insolent ever terms ... right on our faces .. and they jump all over especially in the body to force it to slavery insolently .. in front of every others bodies .. as if a body is not for you and they force it to look like your body is your source ...

can you see how incredibly evil all is ??




Dafuq are you talking about? English. Sentences.


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Thecrimson]
    #19222044 - 12/03/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In much wisdom is much grief. And he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: happygolucky]
    #19222124 - 12/03/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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happygolucky said:
In much wisdom is much grief. And he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.




knowledge is never about knowing things life .. this is another lie

that is how knowledge is about oneself truth.. which cant ever in anyway be a thing

knowledge in powers to reach getting so in evil means, is about the truth

so objective all beyond the universe and its components.. truth existence to rule anything of down .. and the kind of knowledge being evil as knowing the answer of that from them saying, know yourself ...

truth cant be reached from up ..that is nonsense

that is why they invent objects as living sources ... to keep meaning the same evil will .. so they invent it all

there is no such a thing called wisdom .. there is no wisdom at all

that is how it cant but lead to worse

what is right is always more infinitely more right ...

like balance for you is a great value as an object source of positive being .. it is an invented lie.. there is no such thing as balance either

in truth, it is always a plus that is why free of all what is there while being all its existence means .. that is how it must be starting from the end if it was true ..

balance is a notion invented by opportunists .. that mean to take from here and there .. everywhere.. how long do you think you can fake being standing anywhere ??


Edited by absols (12/03/13 01:03 PM)


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: absols] * 1
    #19222194 - 12/03/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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all this beauty said:
And there arises the essential dilemma -- attempting to speak the unspeakable.




I'm still waiting for a guru to write "Effing the Ineffable, or how I found Pure Truth, Wisdom and Enlightenment, then threw it all away for a cold beer, pizza and a blowjob."


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: absols] * 2
    #19222198 - 12/03/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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absols said:
Quote:

happygolucky said:
In much wisdom is much grief. And he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.




knowledge is never about knowing things life .. this is another lie

that is how knowledge is about oneself truth.. which cant ever in anyway be a thing

knowledge in powers to reach getting so in evil means, is about the truth

so objective all beyond the universe and its components.. truth existence to rule anything of down .. and the kind of knowledge being evil as knowing the answer of that from them saying, know yourself ...

truth cant be reached from up ..that is nonsense

that is why they invent objects as living sources ... to keep meaning the same evil will .. so they invent it all

there is no such a thing called wisdom .. there is no wisdom at all

that is how it cant but lead to worse

what is right is always more infinitely more right ...

like balance for you is a great value as an object source of positive being .. it is an invented lie.. there is no such thing as balance either

in truth, it is always a plus that is why free of all what is there while being all its existence means .. that is how it must be starting from the end if it was true ..

balance is a notion invented by opportunists .. that mean to take from here and there .. everywhere.. how long do you think you can fake being standing anywhere ??




I'm sure you have some sort of point but I can't take anyone seriously that needs to talk like that.
Same with 'increaseth'

Poetry section is ===> that way


Edited by Thecrimson (12/03/13 01:21 PM)


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Thecrimson]
    #19222276 - 12/03/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

again you cant but doing it.. poetry is not the source of living words

forms of sentences are not sources of individuals means

you are the ridiculous you mean that cant ever be existing really to reply to, joking :cool:


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: absols]
    #19222626 - 12/03/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Pursuit of enlightenment isn't stupid. It seems stupid from a goal oriented and materialistic POV. In fact it's really probably the only smart thing to do in life.  If people used up less resources due to meditation that would also be a plus for the ecology of the planet. 

What is stupid is having so little fix on what enlightenment is that one searches out others on the interweb to compare their mind to.  Even worse are those dharma websites like Lioncity and shit where you have tremendous pundits berating others in the name of truth. That is fallacious. I was totally turned off to Buddhism from a bunch of self righteous assholes at Esangha and other dharma sites. In the name of dharma people act all nazi-like and cornhole other practitioners as if they are helping.

You Esangha moderators are shitting on The Dharma. Your egos are raping newcomers to the Path. I don't care how brilliant you are, your brilliance is not in service to anyone but your own ego.  This is where ego and the Path do not mix.

Smug fuckers endlessly elaborating infinitely recursive and self delineating religion is not enlightenment.  You have two broad swatchs of Buddhists - the traditionalists who have a moment of satori and then they know everything (there are alot of them), and those who counter with the koan like meaningless head in a hole thought to end thought type dipshits. 

It's a wonder I like Buddhism at all given how much claptrap you get mixed into little value.

Okay this was my rant for today

Up up and ben gay!


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: deCypher] * 2
    #19222639 - 12/03/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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deCypher said:
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all this beauty said:
And there arises the essential dilemma -- attempting to speak the unspeakable.




I'm still waiting for a guru to write "Effing the Ineffable, or how I found Pure Truth, Wisdom and Enlightenment, then threw it all away for a cold beer, pizza and a blowjob."




good idea. why don't you do it?


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: White Beard] * 1
    #19222774 - 12/03/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not really a guru, but if I ever do eff the ineffable in novel format I'll be sure to include the Shroomery in my dedication.  :heart:


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #19222964 - 12/03/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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deCypher said:
I'm not really a guru




who says you have to be a guru in order to write a book pretending like you're a guru?


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: White Beard]
    #19223087 - 12/03/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

These are all great responses I think :thumbup:
I guess it's the rhetoric that makes me cringe.


I just don't like the word "enlightenment" and well, when that word is pursued......:kingcrankey:


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: cez]
    #19223237 - 12/03/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You might start out pursuing it, but along the way you aren't pursuing it.


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: dpomalia]
    #19223673 - 12/03/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It is true that relatively few folk pursue Self-Actualization, or are "Being-Cognizers," but whether Self-Actualization in the Maslowian sense is the same as Self-Realization in say, a Ramana Maharsh sense, is questionable. It may well be that Self-Actualization is a more practically realizable goal. Glad you mentioned Maslow. I noted earlier this week that few people at these forums really know his major works and how important they were in the psychedelic 60s. Why, it was Maslow who coined "peak experience" (and "plateau") and hence 'peaking.'


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19223680 - 12/03/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:
It is true that relatively few folk pursue Self-Actualization, or are "Being-Cognizers," but whether Self-Actualization in the Maslowian sense is the same as Self-Realization in say, a Ramana Maharsh sense, is questionable. It may well be that Self-Actualization is a more practically realizable goal. Glad you mentioned Maslow. I noted earlier this week that few people at these forums really know his major works and how important they were in the psychedelic 60s. Why, it was Maslow who coined "peak experience" (and "plateau") and hence 'peaking.'




What are your thoughts on equating Enlightenment with Bliss?


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: deCypher]
    #19223987 - 12/03/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The idea of enlightenment gets me too

I mean if enlightenment is the elimination of ego, which would also mean the elimination of want/desire, then the pursuit of enlightenment, or want of it, prevents you from being enlightened

So you cant be enlightened unless you don't desire to be:shrug:
It seems a little difficult to me, but I suppose the only way to really be happy is to just not want anything. It just that wanting to not want anything means that you still want something, so its kind of a :confused:


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Chuckfinely]
    #19224317 - 12/03/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Self can't be enlightened, that's the whole thing.


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: teknix]
    #19224429 - 12/03/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The cock crows in the early morning;
Sadly I see as I rise how worn out I am;
I haven't a belt or a shirt.
Just the semblance of a robe.
My loincloth has no seat, my pants no opening--
On my head are three or five pecks of gray ashes.
Originally I intended to practice to help save others;
Who would have suspected that instead I would become a fool!

-Joshu

Posted this in another thread but this is where it belongs.  I like Joshu.  Think he is one of the only Zen masters who sees enlightenment for what it is.  An endlessly twisted joke.  People who take things seriously are too heavy to be enlightened.


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