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The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid * 1
    #19220300 - 12/03/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In my opinion.
Whenever I see the word I cringe.

What the hell does it even mean to "pursue enlightenment?"


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: cez]
    #19220336 - 12/03/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Agreed.  Same with following your dreams.  If you make your dreams a reality, then will reality be your dreams?

People who say "I am one with the universe".  If they believed that they'd say "The universe is universe with the universe".


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #19220348 - 12/03/13 12:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

To pursue enlightenment is to pursue knowledge and to learn. Yes, the world is a terrible place, but it can also be a wonderful place. It doesn't get in the way of being enlightened.


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19220414 - 12/03/13 01:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The philosophical pursuit of knowledge, understanding, wisdom, awareness, sophistication and the motivation to apply that through life to advance or develope or improve culture and/or society.

A lot of self proclaimed enlightened guys are selfish as fuck. Like bhuddists, I fucking hate them guys. Their "enlightenment" is totally self centered. I personally believe that they just live an alternate lifestyle and pretend to transcend some mortal existence when they really aren't doing shit but being really healthy, yeah their are major benefits to their lifestyle but its selfish.


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19220428 - 12/03/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh I forgot to mention that this enlightenment thing is a never ending process and when one believes they are enlightened well then they're full of shit. You can become enlightened on a subject matter or you are becoming enlightened but you are never enlightened or you would reach a stage call apotheosis which means to become god or become godlike and obviously that shit will never happen. Jerry Garcia was being enlightened in the ways of guitar but without that, he was just another human being like me or you, maybe you're human. Anyways...

Point being, Jerry Garcia was not selfish and he was enlightening in his guitar playing which allowed him to revolutionize music as we know it. You'll see his influence everywhere. Now if we could find a philosophically enlightened politican, Jk, good joke was it not?


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19220607 - 12/03/13 03:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

IMO enlightenment is experiencing pure consciousness. Something only able to be felt through deep meditation or drugs(mushrooms).

I personally experienced enlightenment during a couple trips. It is when you gain knowledge because it becomes apparent. It is when you see something with absolutely zero preconceived notions about it, allowing you to see it how it really is. The enlightenment experience I had only lasted for a split second and I only felt it a couple times. And enlightenment isn't something you can keep, because the moment our thoughts and general ego return to us it is impossible to think in the enlightened way. It is something you can experience, and take what you can from it.

The reason people have a hard time picturing it is because it is literally indescribable. Beyond even trying to describe an emotion or feeling. Words literally will NOT work when trying to explain it.


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Thecrimson] * 1
    #19220620 - 12/03/13 03:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I agree, but more so for a different reason than yours....

the pursuit of enlightenment is redicolous... one must only realize what they are standing on.. The pursuit of enlightenments is likepulling a rope without an end.. one will never get to it.. one just needs to realize they already got the rope...


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: cez]
    #19220689 - 12/03/13 04:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why so confused?
Fact 1 is - Ego does not get enlightened. Quite the opposite, the lack of ego gives room to reality that's always present.
Fact 2 is - There is no existence as we know it without ego.

1 + 2 = nobody gets enlightened and nobody is enlightened.
So forget about enlightenment.

If 'pursuit of enlightenment' makes you cringe, you are generating negative feelings onto yourself for no logical or practical reason. I wish you grow more comfortable with yourself.
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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: cbub]
    #19220711 - 12/03/13 05:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:
Thank you for your wisdom cbub.


Edited by cez (12/03/13 05:24 AM)


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: cez]
    #19220732 - 12/03/13 05:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't :shiftyeyes:
Always thought spiritualists and religious people were having trouble coping with world as it is.
I just wanted a house and a job, maybe a car, a dog, a wife and a kid...
but now look at the mess I'm in :lol:


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: cbub]
    #19220750 - 12/03/13 05:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Check out maslows hierarchy of needs
Fulfil those maybe enlightenment will seem different to you
And without ego there is Id and super ego
Were not born with ego were born with an id and the world makes us develope a super ego then we find a socially okay middle ground known as ego


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: cbub] * 1
    #19220764 - 12/03/13 05:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

cbub said:
I didn't :shiftyeyes:
Always thought spiritualists and religious people were having trouble coping with world as it is.
I just wanted a house and a job, maybe a car, a dog, a wife and a kid...
but now look at the mess I'm in :lol:



:lol:  Once you're in you can't get out.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: dpomalia]
    #19220791 - 12/03/13 06:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thank god for Freud, or we wouldn't have all this semantics confusion.
Imagine it would have been easier to converse :smile:

Good idea. Maslow challenge accepted.
If pursuit of enlightenment is nonsencical, then maybe the pursuit of pursuit of enlightenment will make more sense!


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Icelander]
    #19220807 - 12/03/13 06:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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:lol:  Once you're in you can't get out.




:heart: But you know what, It's better that way.
Reminds me of that awesome quote from waking life.
...and this is like my little window to the world... and every minute's a different show. I may not understand it. I may not even necessarily agree with it. But I'll tell you what I've accepted: just sort of glide along. You want to keep things on an even key, this is what I'm saying. You want to go with the flow. The sea refuses no river. The idea is to remain in a state of constant departure while always arriving...


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: cbub]
    #19220935 - 12/03/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

cbub said:
Quote:

Icelander said:

:lol:  Once you're in you can't get out.




:heart: But you know what, It's better that way.
Reminds me of that awesome quote from waking life.
...and this is like my little window to the world... and every minute's a different show. I may not understand it. I may not even necessarily agree with it. But I'll tell you what I've accepted: just sort of glide along. You want to keep things on an even key, this is what I'm saying. You want to go with the flow. The sea refuses no river. The idea is to remain in a state of constant departure while always arriving...





Mo better blues:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: cbub]
    #19220943 - 12/03/13 07:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Pursuit to pursuit
Its the journey not the destination
Freud is a strange one
Maslow is obviously too humanistic
The mind is a tricky place


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: Thecrimson]
    #19221010 - 12/03/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The reason people have a hard time picturing it is because it is literally indescribable. Beyond even trying to describe an emotion or feeling. Words literally will NOT work when trying to explain it.



Yes.  A hallmark of the experience is its ineffability -- the inability to speak it.  This is very well documented in the classic literature on the subject.  LSD users, poets, and saints frequently point to the ineffability of the experience.

And there arises the essential dilemma -- attempting to speak the unspeakable. 

I think the experience is ineffable because it arises in a place that is "before" our brains and "before" our cognition.  Before the biological machinery that processes information and translates it into language. 

Just a guess.  How could any of us "know."

But it's very mysterious.

Lol...  that's why they call it "mysticism"!  :grin:


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: all this beauty]
    #19221479 - 12/03/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

spiritual/mystical paradoxes, for me, express this ineffability the best.  but they don't express this ineffability whatsoever.


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: cez] * 3
    #19221513 - 12/03/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the pursuit of anything else is as equally stupid


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Re: The pursuit of enlightenment is ridiculously stupid [Re: cez]
    #19221551 - 12/03/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

in Hinduism and and Buddhism as well a ancient Chinese medicine there is an energetic body that is spoken of.

My impression is that enlightenment is the full awareness of this energetic or light body, where the mind's eye is focused in such a way that it is no longer ignorant of the use of ones energy in ways that are extraneous to the "present moment".


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