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Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement
#19219670 - 12/02/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A "must read" for Shroomerites!!! Any chance that one of you pharmacists can drone an oz. or two over to my 2nd story window? 
FORBES December 2nd 2013 1:38pm
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/12/02/why-drone-delivery-will-be-a-nightmare-for-law-enforcement/
I’d like to see Tesla’s Elon “Hyperloop” Musk and Amazon’s Jeff “Drone Delivery” Bezos face off in a cage match to determine who is the most interesting CEO in tech. Bezos upped his game by going on 60 Minutes Sunday night and revealing a “secret R&D project: ‘Octocopter’ drones that will fly packages directly to your doorstep in 30 minutes.” Yup, an autonomous drone delivery service that would use GPS coordinates to navigate, called Amazon “Prime Air.”
After the shock and awe wore off, many commentators immediately pointed out that this is currently illegal. While the po-po and government entities are allowed to fly drones if they obtain authorization from the FAA, private use of drones is limited to hobbyists, and they have to keep the drones under 400 feet and within their line of sight. But that’s just a temporary hang-up. Congress has ordered the FAA to clear the skyway for commercial use of drones by 2015. So, yes, Amazon will be able to get emergency diapers, toilet paper, or 5-pound gummy bears (depending on the Octocopter’s weight limits) to you in 30 minutes (and Google will be able to launch ‘Drone Map’, and Facebook will be able to launch ‘Drone Stalk’, and on and on).
Law enforcement may already be gritting its teeth over the idea of legal drone delivery though. Being able to send things by drone could be hugely disruptive to the existing mail system: a peer-to-peer postal service that cuts out the USPS and FedEx. That’s fine when Amazon is shipping out books, but what about the kind of deliveries that law enforcement wants to be able to track? The existing postal system is full of surveillance.
When you drop off a package at an automated postal machine, it takes a photo of you and keeps it on file for 30 days. That can help law enforcement figure out who sent a package full of drugs. If online drug bazaar Silk Road had had autonomous drones making its drug deliveries instead of the normal postal service, there would likely be a few less vendors under arrest.
In addition, the postal system logs all mail for law enforcement, scanning the information on the outside of letters and parcels before they are delivered. And if they have a warrant, or if it’s crossing a border, they can open it. That scanning helped law enforcement track ricin-laced letters sent to Michael Bloomberg and President Obama back to a C-level actress in Texas.
Drones are currently technologically limited, at least when we’re talking about the non-weapon enabled variety. The Octocopter-type drone favored by Amazon can usually only fly for about 30 minutes to an hour with a limited distance. Forget about the “neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night” postman creed. As of now, these drones would likely not stand up to inclement weather. But the technology will surely improve, and they will be able to make longer and more robust journeys. If drones took off (heh) as a private way to send packages and letters over short or long distances, law enforcement would lose an important crime-fighting tool: their surveillance of the mail system. Much like electronic communication has gone “dark” thanks to encryption tools, the postal system could go “dark” thanks to private robot postmen.
This may sound far-fetched, but private, illicit drone deliveries are already happening. Last month, three men and a woman were caught smuggling tobacco into a Georgia prison. They used an Octocopter to do it. Unfortunately for them, their drone wasn’t an autonomous one and they had to crouch in the woods near the prison yard and watch the flight of their copter with binoculars. If it had been an autonomous drone, they may well have gotten away with the crime, and the smugglers wouldn’t be facing up to 20 years in their drone delivery zone for crossing prison guard lines with contraband.
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
#19220014 - 12/02/13 10:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Future News Report:
Today an Air Bus 330 taking off of New York's JFK airport ingested what is thought to be an errant and malfunctioning package drone. The aircraft impacted an office building. All 335 passengers and 10 crew members were killed. It is unknown how many people were in the office building.
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#19220122 - 12/02/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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In other news:
Local man arrested with BB gun and 5,000 packages from Amazon Prime Air.
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: Smushroom] 3
#19220139 - 12/02/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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god forbid the public does something without the government somehow tracking every step
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: psyconaught]
#19220163 - 12/02/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't see what would be so hard about tracking where every drone flies. They could easily just put a sensor on every drone that could sniff out if there were drugs on board also.
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: searching]
#19220174 - 12/02/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i guarantee that would get challenged in the supreme court. The supreme court ruled that a warrant needs to be obtained to put a tracking device on a persons vehicle so that ruling my be applicable to private drones as well.
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: searching]
#19220330 - 12/03/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
searching said: I don't see what would be so hard about tracking where every drone flies.
They can't even track where airplanes fly if they don't have their transponders turned on.
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They could easily just put a sensor on every drone that could sniff out if there were drugs on board also.
Good idea, except that the sensor you mention does not exist yet. And when they do invent it, hacking the sensor will be easy.
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#19220343 - 12/03/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Very interesting
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
#19220368 - 12/03/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sounds fucking awesome so I assume the government will stop it immediately somehow or another.
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#19220970 - 12/03/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wait until one crashes in someone's backyard and lands on some kid's head. The cartels probably love these things. If it is economically feasible for a pizza it must be good for a few kilos of drugs too.
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: my3rdeye]
#19220987 - 12/03/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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these drones arent gonna be able to go very far amazon will need distribution hubs in every city for it to be able to work. it would be more likely to work if they use the regular mail service and have drones do the local delivery from the post office.
its definitely a coool idea, but i see lots of problems. it will be interesting to see how this unfolds
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: shopdropper]
#19221394 - 12/03/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Silk Road drones.. Seems legit
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: FungiJB]
#19221405 - 12/03/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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How much acid per drone?
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: KingKnowledge]
#19221438 - 12/03/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: FungiJB]
#19221652 - 12/03/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's smaller than I thought it would be probably wouldn't kill anyone with the blades. I like it! I think it would be perfect for cross border drug smuggling. Fill it in Mexico land it in backyard in san diego.
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: my3rdeye]
#19221802 - 12/03/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are already drugs being transported across the border with drones as well as tunnels, submarines, catapults, pneumatic tubes, animals, and probably every idea imaginable.
Personally I don't think I would trust my package delivery much less my drug delivery to something that can be dropped out of the sky with a baseball or bb gun. Of course they could fly a couple hundred feet up but then you get into actual aircraft airspace and start having major problems with the amount of lift it can generate.
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Also you can make GPS guided drones that can carry up to about 5-6 lbs now for fairly cheap and with stuff you can buy just about anywhere so there is nothing stopping anyone from using them for drug delivery already. It just isn't practical.
The only way this could ever be implemented commerically is with a well designed infrastructure and a very well programmed fleet of drones. That infrastructure will never be available for illegal drug delivery so it will never be practical for home drug delivery.
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: Smushroom] 1
#19221825 - 12/03/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i like how most people are like 'well what if it falls down!!!!!' Amazon is a company worth billions of dollars i promise they've thought of every scenario brought up in this thread plus ones you could never imagine.
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: psyconaught]
#19222146 - 12/03/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am cautiously optimistic about this possibility. However, it seems to me that the government would put extreme focus on creating infrastructure that stringently tracks drones. Given how invasive the government is to our privacy and the opportunity to build said infrastructure with a clean-slate (no need to have to worry about archaic technologies or fiddling with active service), I suspect that clandestine drone users are going to have a relatively tough time circumventing the system.
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: psyconaught]
#19222521 - 12/03/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
psyconaught said: i like how most people are like 'well what if it falls down!!!!!' Amazon is a company worth billions of dollars i promise they've thought of every scenario brought up in this thread plus ones you could never imagine.
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Re: Why Drone Delivery Will Be A Nightmare For Law Enforcement [Re: Repertoire89]
#19222899 - 12/03/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes I am sure amazon has thought of every scenario and I am 99% sure that Bezos knows that it isn't practical and it just using the hype from it to boost their stock price.
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