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dontthinkso
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ID request, Northern California
#19220195 - 12/03/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Found this on wood chips in east bay area, tri-valley. These are all pics of the same mushroom, various close-ups.



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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: dontthinkso]
#19220203 - 12/03/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is it staining blue?
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dontthinkso
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Alan Rockefeller said: Is it staining blue?
Sort of?
It is clearly darkening where I pinched the cap and where I broke the stem off, but I would not say it is definitively blue. In fact I think I have to reach a little to say it is blue.
Edited by dontthinkso (12/03/13 12:11 AM)
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I think I see black/blue bruising at the cut, cap edge and stem. Subbs? not likely from wood chips. Need confirmation on the bruising (stem, blue/black bruising?) and a spore print color.
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: Chuck H] 1
#19220258 - 12/03/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Given that you don't see any blue staining, just darkening, my guess is that you have a Psathyrella species.
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Do Psathyrella bruise dark/black?
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: Chuck H]
#19220313 - 12/03/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah, that has to be allenii. the pics are crap but i see a hint of blue, please post a better picture.
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seeing as its not definitively blue and the cap has broken so easily and without a nice gelatinous pellicle, id also say Psathyrella species.
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: Joust]
#19220338 - 12/03/13 12:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The cap is breaking like Psathyrella, and the way the cap is drying out is very un-psilocybe like.
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Best ID's anywhere!! New to LBM's and this place is great! Sorry to the OP, but kudos for posting! Two TI's say psathyrella BASED ON CAP FRAGILITY!!! nice!
So psathyrella show a little blackish bruising? that could seriously confuse a novice like me.?.
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Alan Rockefeller said: The cap is breaking like Psathyrella, and the way the cap is drying out is very un-psilocybe like.
From what i have noticed and based on my own experiance, My area is very dry most of the time and a lot of allenii i find that aren't covered look exactly like that, now i am not saying i know better(obviously)as i find other fungi that look like that as well, and I'm not saying op should eat them based on anything I say. I just don't see fragmentation of the stem like i normally see in psathyrella..
Post a better picture of the underside of the cap where you cut. Also, were they growing in clusters? or just alone?
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Here is a spore print. I know my pictures look like hell, not sure what I'm doing wrong there, sorry.
I'd say it's brown or rust colored.

It was growing in a patch, but it was dark out and the area was barely lit by streetlamp, so I'm not sure if this one was solo or with others just like it.
Edited by dontthinkso (12/03/13 09:28 AM)
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: dontthinkso]
#19221250 - 12/03/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here is an attempt at a better picture of the underside.
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Better pics!
Edited by Ran-D (12/03/13 09:45 AM)
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: Ran-D]
#19222339 - 12/03/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd call that purplish brown, not rust-colored. I've seen corroded iron in that color, but it's not the archetypal rust color, which would be much more orange.
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: thiotimoline]
#19222436 - 12/03/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I'm not seeing any orange there either. A spore print on white paper might have been better. The "purple" of Psilocybe spores always looks pretty subtle to me. More like "off brown leaning toward purple".
I don't know which Psathyrella have brown spores, but I've read that some do. Without a definitive ID of blue bruising (which always looks blue/black to me) and a purple spore print (which always looks brown/purple to me) I'd say listen to the higher minds and don't eat them.
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: Chuck H]
#19222480 - 12/03/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Spore print looks purple/brown to me.
As RanD said, more pics!
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: Ganzig]
#19222831 - 12/03/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes more pics, i also notice that the "cap breakage" seems to be from handling rather than wind..
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: Ran-D]
#19223782 - 12/03/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Attempting better pic of underside, where I think bluing where the stem was cut is most prevalent (if it is there at all).
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: dontthinkso]
#19224070 - 12/03/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I want to call that bruising blue but the picture is dark, shine a light and then take a picture at the same time.
I'd hate to see you throw away an allenii haha.. also, leave the cap on the foil longer next time, you will get a darker more definite print 
at this point just let the cap dry out, it may bruise more if active..
Edited by TheShroomNinja (12/03/13 08:23 PM)
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TheShroomNinja said: I want to call that bruising blue but the picture is dark, shine a light and then take a picture at the same time.
I actually had 3 separate lights trained on it for that pic. I need to try a different camera I think.
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I'd hate to see you throw away an allenii 
Considering there were about 40 of these where I got this one, me too. I tried to get a habitat pic today but it came out pathetic (too far away, out of focus), because these are in a bad spot to be taking pictures.
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haha.. also, leave the cap on the foil longer next time, you will get a darker more definite print 
Trying to print again on white paper. Don't know if that will work.
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at this point just let the cap dry out, it may bruise more if active..
Ok.
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: dontthinkso]
#19225685 - 12/04/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have found friscosas that dried similar to this... to me that stem cut sure looks blue, stem has that silky sheen... but this is a hard one to say without a doubt..
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: dontthinkso]
#19225694 - 12/04/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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dontthinkso said: Here is a spore print. I know my pictures look like hell, not sure what I'm doing wrong there, sorry.
I'd say it's brown or rust colored.

It was growing in a patch, but it was dark out and the area was barely lit by streetlamp, so I'm not sure if this one was solo or with others just like it.
-but I can say for sure this print would be a no for friscosas... They should never have a tinge of rust... dark purple/brownish-black is what you want to see.
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: Ran-D]
#19225719 - 12/04/13 08:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ran-D said: Better pics!

...maybe try some bright but indirect sunlight... get some more specimens for pics!
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: rev0kadavur]
#19226725 - 12/04/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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rev0kadavur said: -but I can say for sure this print would be a no for friscosas... They should never have a tinge of rust... dark purple/brownish-black is what you want to see.
Looks like a Psilocybe colored spore print to me.
OP's mushroom is probably Psilocybe allenii.
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dontthinkso said: I actually had 3 separate lights trained on it for that pic. I need to try a different camera I think.
Your camera adjusted the exposure due to all the light reflecting off the white paper.
There are three possible solutions to this:
1) Press the shutter on the camera half way, then add more lights before you press it all the way. 2) Adjust the exposure on the camera to around +1 to +1 1/3 3) Take the pic on a black backgroud
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Looks like a Psilocybe colored spore print to me.
OP's mushroom is probably Psilocybe allenii.
I would agree, but look at that cap, i wish we had a better pic of it. It looks "sandy" like that of Panaeolus cintulus, that dry cracking that Psathyrella does.. wow. very weird.
But damn, looksn like its possible
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rev0kadavur said: -but I can say for sure this print would be a no for friscosas... They should never have a tinge of rust... dark purple/brownish-black is what you want to see.
Looks like a Psilocybe colored spore print to me.
OP's mushroom is probably Psilocybe allenii.
My cyan & allenii prints never look that color.... My first thought was allenii, until I saw the spore print.. why does it look reddish? -Lighting, maybe.... but I dunno, its a weird one in my opinion.
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: rev0kadavur]
#19226900 - 12/04/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It is that color because it is a light print.
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I am leaning towards allenii. if op patch is exposed to wind the caps will break a bit and tan out. I'll post some similar pics soon.
At dontthinkso, don't be scared to take pictures in high traffic areas, dress a little bummy grow out your beard, carry a bag of tin cans ith you andd just say you're looking for recyclables always works for me but then again I have dreads and a full beard lmao!
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Seems clear the next step is collecting more samples for examination, with better pics and spore prints. I wandered by the patch today and there's plenty more where this one came from.
The problem with this patch is that it's at my workplace, which makes picking a rather chancy endeavor. I'm actually still waffling on whether it's worth it.
Interesting that this mushroom has been this controversial!
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: dontthinkso]
#19229319 - 12/04/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not going to ingest any of this mushroom, but just for educational purposes.
Is deadly Galerina ruled out? If so, how?
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: dontthinkso]
#19229359 - 12/04/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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dontthinkso said: I'm not going to ingest any of this mushroom, but just for educational purposes.
Is deadly Galerina ruled out? If so, how?
It seems the consensus is that you have a psilocybe. Collect more and take some more pics/make some more spore prints!
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: ChinChiller]
#19229364 - 12/04/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I tried Alan's suggestion of the black background, but the cap is pretty dried out now.
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: dontthinkso]
#19239436 - 12/07/13 02:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, I'm back with more samples. Unfortunately the cold snap ravaged most of the mushrooms. But here are some more pics.



I'm tempted to say there is clear bluing on these mushrooms. But I'll wait to hear from experts.
I am attempting new spore prints.
Also, it's raining again. Should I expect that this patch might have new fruits again this season?
Edited by dontthinkso (12/07/13 03:08 AM)
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: dontthinkso]
#19239512 - 12/07/13 03:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilocybe allenii.
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Re: ID request, Northern California [Re: dontthinkso]
#19239707 - 12/07/13 07:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice find bud. It might fruit again this season.
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