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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19455457 - 01/21/14 11:30 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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Assuming that we should be joyful creatures compassion makes no sense. A synonym is to pity or feel bad for others. We should never have those bad feelings, thus compassion is one of the worst traits a human can have. I am announcing that religions and gurus got it wrong. Do not have compassion or pity and live a joyous life instead!!!



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if you believe in that you might be a satanist

not having any feelings for others sounds a bit satanic maybe
but there is a difference between no emotions and not acting on emotions

my painbody is not me, I try to see the positive side of things and help when possible
it will still hurt seeing other suffer sometimes, but not as much as if I let my painbody run my life


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: k00laid]
    #19456836 - 01/22/14 10:10 AM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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Feeling compassion for another who is suffering means there is suffering. :thumbdown:




im not too sure that this is true.

at least it hasn't been true in my experience.

if perhaps you become too attached to the outcome of the situation you could experience suffering.

but i think it's very possible to experience compassion without experiencing suffering




If not suffering then what spurs compassion? I'm not saying you have to suffer to be compassionate. I'm saying suffering is the target of compassion. So for compassion to be, suffering has to be. That's pretty crummy IMO and I could do without compassion because of what it means in terms of suffering.


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Kickle]
    #19457181 - 01/22/14 11:36 AM (10 years, 9 days ago)

Hmm but isn't is also called compassion if you can feel the joy of  someone else ? Of course that's more easy and 'natural' coming, but maybe compassion is focused on and overweighted by the suffer part too much in peoples' opinions.


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #19457197 - 01/22/14 11:41 AM (10 years, 9 days ago)

If you feel compassion when others are happy, sure, call it compassion. I don't feel compassion in those cases. I feel quite different from when someone is suffering.

I do think the heart can be used in each though. Heartfelt compassion; heartfelt appreciation


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Kickle]
    #19457331 - 01/22/14 12:12 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

Yes, compassion rings another bell than appreciation.
Compassion is like feeling the other one's happiness (/sadness/whatever feeling), while appreciation is kind of respecting or honoring from a distance, without feeling like the other.
Just how I see/feel it...


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #19457367 - 01/22/14 12:24 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

in buddhist terminology, i think what you describe as compassion for others' happiness is referred to as sympathetic joy - which i think is a pretty good term for it :smile: in that system, compassion then is solely used to signify a wish/intent to see others be free from suffering.


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #19457376 - 01/22/14 12:25 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

Right on. I find it's important to feel :thumbup:


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: deff]
    #19457382 - 01/22/14 12:27 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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in buddhist terminology, i think what you describe as compassion for others' happiness is referred to as sympathetic joy - which i think is a pretty good term for it :smile: in that system, compassion then is solely used to signify a wish/intent to see others be free from suffering.





When I think about my reaction to someone who is genuinely happy I think of the Buddha holding up a single rose. It's breathtaking, awe inspiring, and wondrous for me. :rose:


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Kickle]
    #19457387 - 01/22/14 12:28 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: deff]
    #19457396 - 01/22/14 12:30 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

I'm glad you still stop by here on occasion my friend :heart:


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #19457436 - 01/22/14 12:40 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

i'm here probably more than it seems, just haven't had much to say :smile: :sun:


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Kickle]
    #19457576 - 01/22/14 01:18 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

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If not suffering then what spurs compassion? I'm not saying you have to suffer to be compassionate. I'm saying suffering is the target of compassion. So for compassion to be, suffering has to be. That's pretty crummy IMO and I could do without compassion because of what it means in terms of suffering.




It is true, suffering spurs compassion--the active desire to eliminate suffering, brought about by a deep understanding of the nature of suffering coupled with a deep empathy for all sentient beings currently experiencing a form of suffering--and that, without the existence of suffering, I don't think compassion as we understand it could exist.

What I'm confused at, though, is why this association appears 'crummy' to you? Yes, compassion is related to suffering, but in a responsive way--meaning that when one encounters suffering, you act compassionately so as to reduce/eliminate said suffering--not in a causal way--meaning that suffering arises independently of compassion.

Compassion can't exist without suffering (at least not an active expression of it, as I understand thing), but suffering definitely can--and will--exist without compassion.


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19457864 - 01/22/14 02:31 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

The path of Buddhism is to follow Dharma. The definition of Dharma is compassionate wisdom.

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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19458363 - 01/22/14 04:11 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

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If not suffering then what spurs compassion? I'm not saying you have to suffer to be compassionate. I'm saying suffering is the target of compassion. So for compassion to be, suffering has to be. That's pretty crummy IMO and I could do without compassion because of what it means in terms of suffering.




It is true, suffering spurs compassion--the active desire to eliminate suffering, brought about by a deep understanding of the nature of suffering coupled with a deep empathy for all sentient beings currently experiencing a form of suffering--and that, without the existence of suffering, I don't think compassion as we understand it could exist.

What I'm confused at, though, is why this association appears 'crummy' to you? Yes, compassion is related to suffering, but in a responsive way--meaning that when one encounters suffering, you act compassionately so as to reduce/eliminate said suffering--not in a causal way--meaning that suffering arises independently of compassion.

Compassion can't exist without suffering (at least not an active expression of it, as I understand thing), but suffering definitely can--and will--exist without compassion.




I think compassion is making the best of a bad situation. But the situation is still bad. And I think that's too bad. Not that it couldn't be worse.


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Kickle]
    #19458548 - 01/22/14 04:34 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

See, to me, inherent to compassion is the active desire to alleviate the bad situation--not merely make the best of it.

Unless you are suggesting that, were we to finally reach a point where suffering is non-existent, compassion would then be obsolete--and therefore, its continued existent is a sad one?


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19458669 - 01/22/14 04:59 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

I'm saying when compassion is there, suffering is there. If alleviated then there is no need for compassion. So whenever compassion is there its a crummy situation IMO. The outcome of genuine compassion is beautiful IME.


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Kickle]
    #19458704 - 01/22/14 05:08 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

ok, i understand you now--makes sense


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Kickle]
    #19458761 - 01/22/14 05:18 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

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I'm saying when compassion is there, suffering is there. If alleviated then there is no need for compassion. So whenever compassion is there its a crummy situation IMO. The outcome of genuine compassion is beautiful IME.




it doesn't need to be that much suffering though, in order to feel compassion...if i see someone stub their toe or embarrass themselves i may feel compassionate for them even though really i know it's not such a big deal.


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: g00ru]
    #19459338 - 01/22/14 07:18 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

There is absolutely no way to alleviate all suffering from our existence. The human condition is just prone to suffering. It is part of life. Bad things will happen no matter what. And it is natural for the majority of humans to feel compassion for their fellow humans when they are dealing with upsetting situations.


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Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: k00laid]
    #19459347 - 01/22/14 07:20 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

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Feeling compassion for another who is suffering means there is suffering. :thumbdown:




im not too sure that this is true.

at least it hasn't been true in my experience.

if perhaps you become too attached to the outcome of the situation you could experience suffering.

but i think it's very possible to experience compassion without experiencing suffering



I would agree.

Compassion is not coddling. It is not affection, at least not in the way I imagine it.


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