|
Ellis Dee
Archangel



Registered: 06/29/01
Posts: 13,104
Loc: Fire in the sky
Last seen: 4 years, 11 months
|
Compassion may be the worst thing in the world 1
#19219735 - 12/02/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Assuming that we should be joyful creatures compassion makes no sense. A synonym is to pity or feel bad for others. We should never have those bad feelings, thus compassion is one of the worst traits a human can have. I am announcing that religions and gurus got it wrong. Do not have compassion or pity and live a joyous life instead!!!
-------------------- "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do."-King Solomon And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
|
nicechrisman
Interdimensional space wizard



Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 33,241
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Ellis Dee] 4
#19219750 - 12/02/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
But having compassion for other people makes me feel happy. I don't view it as the same thing as pity. When I can lift others, it lifts me as well. Compassion can ultimately end up feeling a little selfish.
-------------------- "Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent: it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not." John C. Lily
|
highc
creator



Registered: 08/31/07
Posts: 3,592
Loc: maryland
Last seen: 7 years, 3 months
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Ellis Dee] 3
#19219762 - 12/02/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Without compassion this world would be closer to shit then it already is. You wouldn't feel bad for situations people are in and thus never help them.
--------------------
|
LiquidGlass
Glass Blower


Registered: 07/08/12
Posts: 5,288
Loc: Pee En Double You
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: nicechrisman] 6
#19219781 - 12/02/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
nicechrisman said: But having compassion for other people makes me feel happy. I don't view it as the same thing as pity. When I can lift others, it lifts me as well. Compassion can ultimately end up feeling a little selfish.
I agree. Having compassion and helping others when I am able is something that brings me great joy. So for me, living a joyous life and having compassion go hand in hand
-------------------- Some art I've made Glass Art Gallery
  I was raised a christian and was a stone-faced acid head - Ken Kesey
|
Sheekle
FREE BURKE



Registered: 01/11/10
Posts: 53,153
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: highc] 3
#19219784 - 12/02/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
nicechrisman said: But having compassion for other people makes me feel happy. I don't view it as the same thing as pity. When I can lift others, it lifts me as well. Compassion can ultimately end up feeling a little selfish.
Quote:
highc said: Without compassion this world would be closer to shit then it already is. You wouldn't feel bad for situations people are in and thus never help them.
q f t
-------------------- "Ur cat died because he hated u" - Koods "I hope JSB kicks your ass one day." - Vandago "you are the biggest 'internet guy' I have ever come across"- Jokeshopbeard "The more I see you post the more I realize you're just this fuckin tie dye loser who trolls the Shroomery 24/7." - Herbologist "Sheekle you cannot vile the dice of bullshit you have posted on this forum over the years, I like databases" - thelastoneleft "or maybe i just come from a blood line of superior intelligence" - trees R.I.P Kelsy, ?/?/?? - 6/11/16
|
Ellis Dee
Archangel



Registered: 06/29/01
Posts: 13,104
Loc: Fire in the sky
Last seen: 4 years, 11 months
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: highc] 1
#19219794 - 12/02/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
highc said: Without compassion this world would be closer to shit then it already is. You wouldn't feel bad for situations people are in and thus never help them.
Maybe we'd all be happier if nobody had compassion but just tried to live a joyous existance. There will always be suffering around so stop caring about it amd stop having compassion and you'll be happier no matter how shit the world is around you.
All it takes is to adapt your philosophy a little to be that bad things happen to people because they deserve them. No matter what it is it is deserved and so you should not have compassion for people getting their just dessert. Try living this attitude for 3 days and tell me if you're happier or not.
-------------------- "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do."-King Solomon And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
|
Ellis Dee
Archangel



Registered: 06/29/01
Posts: 13,104
Loc: Fire in the sky
Last seen: 4 years, 11 months
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: LiquidGlass] 1
#19219814 - 12/02/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
LiquidGlass said:
Quote:
nicechrisman said: But having compassion for other people makes me feel happy. I don't view it as the same thing as pity. When I can lift others, it lifts me as well. Compassion can ultimately end up feeling a little selfish.
I agree. Having compassion and helping others when I am able is something that brings me great joy. So for me, living a joyous life and having compassion go hand in hand
For me its just the opposite. I used to do volunteer work for example and I was arrogant to think I made a difference or the world a better place. All I did was make it a slightly different place. It was my egoism and moral judgmentalism in the way of my clarity.
The tree of knowledge of good and evil brought judgment and with it unhappiness. Adam and Eve saw they were naked and so were ashamed. Humans need to get over the habit of judging. Get over the habit of compassion. Its really quite counterproductive. It gets in the way of living, it gets in the way of joy.
-------------------- "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do."-King Solomon And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
|
k00laid
NEMO


Registered: 05/03/10
Posts: 19,636
Last seen: 6 months, 29 days
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: nicechrisman] 5
#19219828 - 12/02/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
nicechrisman said: But having compassion for other people makes me feel happy. I don't view it as the same thing as pity. When I can lift others, it lifts me as well. Compassion can ultimately end up feeling a little selfish.
itt: people think compassion is the same as pity.
-------------------- AMU - AMU Q & A - MyVideo Teks!
|
LiquidGlass
Glass Blower


Registered: 07/08/12
Posts: 5,288
Loc: Pee En Double You
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#19219831 - 12/02/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
All it takes is to adapt your philosophy a little to be that bad things happen to people because they deserve them.
Sorry I happen to be a fan of logic and reality. Bad shit happens to good people all of the time. I do not sit there and obsess over people who have it rough or need assistance so it does not cause unhappiness. That is just life. However in many cases having compassion for my fellow humans makes me very happy. So I do not really have a reason to cast aside compassion when it does not cause me any grief whatsoever
-------------------- Some art I've made Glass Art Gallery
  I was raised a christian and was a stone-faced acid head - Ken Kesey
|
k00laid
NEMO


Registered: 05/03/10
Posts: 19,636
Last seen: 6 months, 29 days
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#19219835 - 12/02/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Ellis Dee said: It gets in the way of living, it gets in the way of joy.
not for me.
im sorry that you think there is only one correct way to live, and be joyous.
there are as many paths as there are people
my path involves compassion, not pity.
choose your own path, OP
-------------------- AMU - AMU Q & A - MyVideo Teks!
|
LiquidGlass
Glass Blower


Registered: 07/08/12
Posts: 5,288
Loc: Pee En Double You
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: LiquidGlass] 1
#19219850 - 12/02/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
For me its just the opposite. I used to do volunteer work for example and I was arrogant to think I made a difference or the world a better place. All I did was make it a slightly different place. It was my egoism and moral judgmentalism in the way of my clarity.
The tree of knowledge of good and evil brought judgment and with it unhappiness. Adam and Eve saw they were naked and so were ashamed. Humans need to get over the habit of judging. Get over the habit of compassion. Its really quite counterproductive. It gets in the way of living, it gets in the way of joy.
I do not help people to change the world or make it a better place, I am not delusional you see. I do it for no other reason then that it makes me feel good, so in a way it could be considered selfish.
And the tree of knowledge is something out of a fictional story which has no bearing on the reality of what humans have evolved into. There was no adam and eve so that reference is pretty irrelevant to this conversation. we are talking about real things here
-------------------- Some art I've made Glass Art Gallery
  I was raised a christian and was a stone-faced acid head - Ken Kesey
|
Ellis Dee
Archangel



Registered: 06/29/01
Posts: 13,104
Loc: Fire in the sky
Last seen: 4 years, 11 months
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: k00laid] 1
#19219862 - 12/02/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
k00laid said:
Quote:
Ellis Dee said: It gets in the way of living, it gets in the way of joy.
not for me.
im sorry that you think there is only one correct way to live, and be joyous.
there are as many paths as there are people
my path involves compassion, not pity.
choose your own path, OP
Whatever works for you. Lots of ways bro. I just had an epiphanie was all.
But do you think being compassionate makes you a good person? If yes, is that something you were taught by other people?
-------------------- "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do."-King Solomon And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
|
Jimmy Sage
Wanderer



Registered: 03/18/13
Posts: 473
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Ellis Dee] 2
#19219879 - 12/02/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Ellis Dee said: Assuming that we should be joyful creatures compassion makes no sense. A synonym is to pity or feel bad for others. We should never have those bad feelings, thus compassion is one of the worst traits a human can have. I am announcing that religions and gurus got it wrong. Do not have compassion or pity and live a joyous life instead!!!
I don't necessarily agree with the first assumption that we should be joyful creatures, at least not always. If a tragedy happens, we should be sad and fully feel it so that we can get over it and become more joyful because you're stronger.
I also disagree with your definition of compassion (judging by the synonym pity). Pity is a different emotion to compassion, although the dictionary agrees with your synonym. I view pity as more of an egotistical emotion, and compassion to be of understanding and true sympathy.
my 2c
--just noticed a few people have said similar things while i was typing this :P
|
LiquidGlass
Glass Blower


Registered: 07/08/12
Posts: 5,288
Loc: Pee En Double You
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Ellis Dee] 2
#19219916 - 12/02/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Whatever works for you. Lots of ways bro.
You should practice what you preach in that you should stop being so concerned with how people should live, and just do what makes you happy. There are many paths to take
And is not you telling us this and enabling us to, in your eyes, live happier, is that not in a way having compassion for us
-------------------- Some art I've made Glass Art Gallery
  I was raised a christian and was a stone-faced acid head - Ken Kesey
|
Ellis Dee
Archangel



Registered: 06/29/01
Posts: 13,104
Loc: Fire in the sky
Last seen: 4 years, 11 months
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: LiquidGlass] 1
#19219933 - 12/02/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
LiquidGlass said:
Quote:
Whatever works for you. Lots of ways bro.
You should practice what you preach in that you should stop being so concerned with how people should live, and just do what makes you happy. There are many paths to take
And is not you telling us this and enabling us to, in your eyes, live happier, is that not in a way having compassion for us
Yes you are right as I find no error in your logic.
-------------------- "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do."-King Solomon And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
|
shivas.wisdom
בּ



Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 13,462
Loc: Turtle Island
Last seen: 13 hours, 33 minutes
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Ellis Dee] 2
#19220073 - 12/02/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Compassion isn't merely feeling pity for another persons bad circumstances--it stems from the empathy that arrives along with the root understanding that all of existence is connected--compassion is the active desire to relieve the suffering of all beings, everywhere, because you realize they are all part of the same Self.
The Buddha's personal attendant, Ananda, asked him: "Would it be true to say that the cultivation of loving kindness and compassion is a part of our practice?" The Buddha replied, "No. It would not be true to say that the cultivation of loving kindness and compassion is part of our practice. It would be true to say that the cultivation of loving kindness and compassion is all of our practice."
Final note: the ability to practice self-compassion is directly linked to the ability to practice compassion for others--you can't build an understanding of your own suffering without gaining some for the suffering of others as well. If, y'know, you want a selfish reason to cultivate compassion.
--------------------
|
Le_Canard
The Duk Abides


Registered: 05/16/03
Posts: 94,392
Loc: Earthfarm 1
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#19220089 - 12/02/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Ellis Dee said: Maybe we'd all be happier if nobody had compassion but just tried to live a joyous existance. There will always be suffering around so stop caring about it amd stop having compassion and you'll be happier no matter how shit the world is around you.
All it takes is to adapt your philosophy a little to be that bad things happen to people because they deserve them. No matter what it is it is deserved and so you should not have compassion for people getting their just dessert. Try living this attitude for 3 days and tell me if you're happier or not.
Sound like somewhat sociopathic rationalizing. You'd make a fine Republican/Libertarian.
|
Ellis Dee
Archangel



Registered: 06/29/01
Posts: 13,104
Loc: Fire in the sky
Last seen: 4 years, 11 months
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: shivas.wisdom] 1
#19220114 - 12/02/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
shivas.wisdom said: Compassion isn't merely feeling pity for another persons bad circumstances--it stems from the empathy that arrives along with the root understanding that all of existence is connected--compassion is the active desire to relieve the suffering of all beings, everywhere, because you realize they are all part of the same Self.
The Buddha's personal attendant, Ananda, asked him: "Would it be true to say that the cultivation of loving kindness and compassion is a part of our practice?" The Buddha replied, "No. It would not be true to say that the cultivation of loving kindness and compassion is part of our practice. It would be true to say that the cultivation of loving kindness and compassion is all of our practice."
Final note: the ability to practice self-compassion is directly linked to the ability to practice compassion for others--you can't build an understanding of your own suffering without gaining some for the suffering of others as well. If, y'know, you want a selfish reason to cultivate compassion.
If the judgmental ego is fighting for its life it'll force delusions like that into all religions. I'm saying that compassion is irrelevant to me. The palace of delusion is in judgmentalism and thinking that we should try to interfere in people's existances. The role we play in a successful trip through the material world involves observing the movies in the movie theatre, and not trying to be the characters on the screen.
-------------------- "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do."-King Solomon And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
|
Ellis Dee
Archangel



Registered: 06/29/01
Posts: 13,104
Loc: Fire in the sky
Last seen: 4 years, 11 months
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Le_Canard] 1
#19220117 - 12/02/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ToiletDuk said:
Quote:
Ellis Dee said: Maybe we'd all be happier if nobody had compassion but just tried to live a joyous existance. There will always be suffering around so stop caring about it amd stop having compassion and you'll be happier no matter how shit the world is around you.
All it takes is to adapt your philosophy a little to be that bad things happen to people because they deserve them. No matter what it is it is deserved and so you should not have compassion for people getting their just dessert. Try living this attitude for 3 days and tell me if you're happier or not.
Sound like somewhat sociopathic rationalizing. You'd make a fine Republican/Libertarian.
I'm not trying to fuck people over, merely to live a joyous life.
-------------------- "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do."-King Solomon And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
|
Moonshoe
Blue Mantis


Registered: 05/28/04
Posts: 27,202
Loc: Iceland
|
Re: Compassion may be the worst thing in the world [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#19220131 - 12/02/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
When I have compassion I dont really feel bad, it actually makes me feel more human and alive, and if you take action based on that compassion (helping someone) you feel better about yourself and life.
--------------------
Everything I post is fiction.
|
|