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nn-IlliniSpiralDMT
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JohnnieYen said: pp5 or polypropylene is recyclable too y'know.
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JohnnieYen said: pp5 or polypropylene is recyclable too y'know.
Not 100% recyclable which is what I said...but I digress
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Sgt. Pepper



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Re: Cased grains vs Bulk Substrates: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet]
#19223829 - 12/03/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Violet said: If you hold a container up to the light and play with the lid around the tightness point, you'll see what's going on at the lid's seal. There are 2 thin 'rings' of plastic, the space between them being the width of the container's rim. When you screw down the lid it lowers these two plastic 'flaps' so-to-speak over the edge of the container. When you Unscrew it just a tiny bit, you can see that it lifts the seal of the lid off of the plastic, without clearing the rim of the two flaps. Gas can be pushed around it, but the "still-air" effect of still-air boxes makes it nearly impossible for mold spores to travel amongst the maze of threads and over that protected edge.
Screwing the lid even more loosely not only totally lifts the seal from the rim but shortens the path amongst the threads. It will definitely not defend from mold spores when much over 1 1/2 inches loosened. The sweet spot between the two (with Ziplocs at least) is 1 to 1.25 inches loosened, and this point is what I use to trigger invitro pinning while still staying effectively sterile.
Mind you, having all kinds of moving air around the containers with loosened lids means these looseness degrees are exaggerated. Much less of a crack will have the same results in tumultuous atmosphere. Not a problem once colonized (except maybe for "grain petris") but can lead to contams when loosening lids during colonization. Fortunately I find this to always be unnecessary anyway! I always keep 'em tight till ready to go.
Some loose-lid tibits :] You'll see it.
Thank you, I think I understand now.
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SpitballJedi
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Re: Cased grains vs Bulk Substrates: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet]
#19223981 - 12/03/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Violet said: If you unscrew your lids when substrate is uncolonized, you're asking for early contams, just like if you took your jar lid off before fully-colonized. On the extremely rare chance that a properly-loaded container stalls from CO2 buildup, only about 1/4 inch turn loose is necessary to pop the seal of the lid off of the rim of the container, allowing excess gases to be pushed out without giving an entryway for contam spores.
This is the part that makes me say contamination is a valid part of the test and should be reported on.
It's not proof positive either way, but for posterity should not be ignored.
For those who are used to using modified jar lids, this may be the first obstacle that has to be overcome.
If the cake keeps contaminating before the first flush, then the question of "ease of use" would still remain.
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J. Jack Flash
stranger than ever.


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Re: Cased grains vs Bulk Substrates: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet] 1
#19224195 - 12/03/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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hi from a new guy. i have a shyster's dozen pf jars in my closet right now not doing a thing. been reading so much about this, i'm eager to get it going. this thread couldn't be better timed. i'll spare you all my life story, suffice it to say, thank you.
thoughts for anyone in my position, that of total newcomer, i'm leaning toward the bottom-watering-in-straight-grain-poly-jars technique for reasons apart from the technique itself. anything worth doing is worth doing right, and to me, this includes the strain isolation portion of the program. there's great appeal to using the same jars also as petri dishes, and using thin grain layers as a separate culture substrate, in addition to agar, for plucking pins for cloning. i take great comfort in watering my houseplants. watering the cakes sounds even more rewarding. i already had a pressure cooker, because they're freekin' awesome. i perceive frugality in the method as well as easily accessible (and explicable) goods, like plastic jars and rice, as opposed to funky grains and coir and gypsum and petri dishes. to say nothing of the plastic petri dishes being disposable and to my understanding, not recyclable. i prefer glass for sure, but there's merit in plastic taking less energy to heat to sterility over and over and over. plus their stack-n-stowability, and the stacking in a pressure cooker to obviate pouring agar in a still air box. rad. i'll stop with the opinions, 'cause who cares, right? it's worth all you paid for it.
parting thought: like brewing, different approaches for different... folkses. some cats i know make amazing beers from malt extract. but the all-grain crowd loves to act like their beers are somehow superior, just because their way is THE way, even if their beer is clearly not as good. whatever, y'all. considering the myriad evil forces out there which conspire against this in any form, can't we move beyond the animosity and love each other? forgive me my naiveté.
much love. jack
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Pastywhyte
Say hello to my little friend



Registered: 09/15/12
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Re: Cased grains vs Bulk Substrates: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19224233 - 12/03/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SpitballJedi said:
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Violet said: If you unscrew your lids when substrate is uncolonized, you're asking for early contams, just like if you took your jar lid off before fully-colonized. On the extremely rare chance that a properly-loaded container stalls from CO2 buildup, only about 1/4 inch turn loose is necessary to pop the seal of the lid off of the rim of the container, allowing excess gases to be pushed out without giving an entryway for contam spores.
This is the part that makes me say contamination is a valid part of the test and should be reported on.
It's not proof positive either way, but for posterity should not be ignored.
For those who are used to using modified jar lids, this may be the first obstacle that has to be overcome.
If the cake keeps contaminating before the first flush, then the question of "ease of use" would still remain.
Rest assured I will report any contams, I just hate seeing them so much that there will probably be a minor meltdown in my house before the post is made.
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JMcDoogle
A Serious Scholar


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RogerRabbit said: You gotta be shitting me. We don't grow mushrooms on Violet. We grow mushrooms on substrates. This crap about naming stuff after oneself is going to stop. We have 50K members. We can't have 50K teks named after each person, instead of what the procedure is actually doing.
Perhaps the original poster can title it something along the lines of what is actually being done. For example, pf tek vs bulk, or tray culture vs fruiting in bags, monotub vs tray on shelf, etc.
Cased grains in a plastic container is no different than cased grains in a glass container. That's not a new tek unless one considers a blue car needs a different set of driving instructions than a grey or red car.  RR
V-Tek, V-Tek, V-Tek!
What are we ganna do? V-TEK!
How are we ganna do it?! V-TEK!
All jokes aside, I think I named it V-TEK, my bad.
This is juicy.
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Psilicon
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19240162 - 12/07/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm following this with great interest. How did the transfers turn out?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Psilicon]
#19240228 - 12/07/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Have recovered well and are looking pretty good. Should have some updates soon. Cold ass temps in my area as of late are slowing my colonization down a little, but I'm pretty confident that we should have colonization next week sometime.
Will update with some pics soon
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FrankHorrigan
The Inquisition



Registered: 01/04/11
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Make a TiT!
Bitches love TiTs.
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Pastywhyte
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I usually just rely on the heat produced from my colonizing tubs to warm up the room, but I kinda hit a blip and now everything is fruiting, with only a couple tubs colonizing. Might need to just turn on my oil heater or stop being so cheap with the heat. Wife would probably prefer the latter option 
But I might consider a titi later on down the road.
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Psilicon
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Frank, did you just link to "Frank's TiT"?
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FrankHorrigan said: Everyone is trying to name things after themselves these days, it's sort of a silly ego trip if you ask me.
It's not the "FH grain dunk" or the "Citric polyfill tek". It's just the "grain dunk" or "dialed-in monotubs."
Best to name things descriptively so people know what they are at a glance 
Frank, quit trolling Pasty. You're gonna make him rage out, and I really like his posts.
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FrankHorrigan
The Inquisition



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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Psilicon]
#19240857 - 12/07/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's actually Magash's TiT design, and at least I didn't call it a FH-box
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ForgottenFreshness
Staying High


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Interesting thread
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shroomnub4u
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So just for clarification V tek is now the TIT tek or FH Box tek? This thread started out sparking my interest. Then the extremely long winded, self proclaimed TIT tek inventor ruined it by making it a forum to slander other more followed and trusted cultivators for reasons of personal enjoyment. I will be interested in your results, even though I have a good idea of the outcome.
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Quailman
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Registered: 11/16/13
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Tagging in to see results.
Flaming made for an interesting four pages.
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FrankHorrigan
The Inquisition



Registered: 01/04/11
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shroomnub4u said: So just for clarification V tek is now the TIT tek or FH Box tek?
No, the TiT thing and FH box were just van and me messing around. Unrelated to the main thread topic. It got brought up because I told pasty to consider using an incubator
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Pastywhyte
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Loc: Canada
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Sorry to keep everyone waiting, a combo of personal issues and cold temps set things back a bit. But we're back on track and the OP has been updated
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Lazarus.Long
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Registered: 09/10/13
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I am curious to see the results
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Pastywhyte
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Results are in the mail, that's for sure. Doing the spawn run tonight and the pp5 look like they might be catching up soon. I gotta go outta town for the weekend but I'm hoping that they will be ready to case by the time I get back.
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anne halonium
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Registered: 05/07/13
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this one should be EASY.
step 1 . run a clone, one in a pp5 one in a bulk.
step 2 .weigh the yield on both.
step 3. weigh the entire container on both , after harvest.
step 4. write up the ratio in a fraction.
step 5 , v tekkers laugh like mad.
step 6. ( optional) , a surface area / yeild equation would be the last stake in the vampires heart.
as a suggestion, v tekkers, weigh your subs and yields. the spectre of us weighing also, will keep the comparision honest. a loaded, biased, or shady grow test, would be proven a fraud easily.
you guys do realize, its possible to calculate energy in an agri product or waste. and common bulks, arent even in the same league as grains.
im watching. this is the kinda experiment we need to see.
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Edited by anne halonium (12/19/13 06:51 PM)
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