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sololas
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Nutrients cause contams unless pasturized properly, the more nutrients the higher cance of contamination. They feed on the same foods as the mycelium, so you gotta find the substrate that best suits your ability in pasturization, not streilization, making something sterile is easier than pasturizing. Ok let me hear it am I wrong... Im nobody so my ego is very small, I can take the "no your wrong thing" as long as done constuctively....
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anne halonium
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19411611 - 01/13/14 08:38 AM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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youve been shown numerous times JM. if ya missed it, its not a reflection on the tek. denial , is upon you, and has little to do with whats been established.
fact is, most V tekkers have done bulks, so we already have done the tests ourselves , and are convinced thru experience.
we dont feel the need to replicate what we already know, besides, we well know from experience, photos , facts, and details, mean little.
v-tek, is basically an oss and oeric mod with modern equip and some alternate handling. the tek itself was established and proven, long before the internet, or many here even started growing.
as far as BE, every ag product can be calculated for BTU/ nutrient power........... it should be obvious.
as said, noble thread and all. but in the end, cant convince peeps of anything, till they try it themselves.
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cronicr



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Violet



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JMcDoogle said: Im tired of all this nonsensical argumentative behavior, lets show some results...
You must also be a resident of Denial Land.
The "argumentative behavior" is people creating argumentative climates that I cannot help but thus be in since we're in the same climate together. I'm not argumentative. However I do respond. And I do hold the ground of The Truth and My Experience Of It. I am not to be effected by the ability of 100% of humanity to project whatever they want onto the palette of existence, especially the bare text of the forums online. Including yours.
Starting today, I will no longer spend a single moment responding to idiocy like this. Idiocy like yours there. Projecting behavior onto me that I do not behave. I spend my time talking with you people about this. I will do it on my terms. I am not subject to anyone's demands. I am not to stoop to anyone's levels. I am not to be pictured by anyone's drawings.
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JMcDoogle said: Im just going to say this because I feel the need to..
You have a solid knowledge base and a useful technique, though... Most people instead of arguing over eight months SAYING this and that would than turn to SHOWING us. Perhaps YOU could do a SIDE - By - SIDE comparison, because after all the V-TEK is by comparison a huge advantage correct?
*Sigh* How uncanny that different people (that seem on the same level of self-education on the matter) get the idea to ask this at the same time? Do you think you're asking a new question? But if you want an answer to it, I literally just answered it in the tek thread.
BTW By putting your perspective in such a way, you show the limitations or errors of your perspective relative to what it is I really say and what all is really being discussed here.
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Edited by Violet (01/13/14 09:46 AM)
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anne halonium
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet]
#19411861 - 01/13/14 10:34 AM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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i find it bizzare, you can show something , state the obvious, show pics, and then over and over, its like it never happened, and peeps that are not likely to even attempt it, are like demanding " proof". like were everyones R&D for fun.
from experience, i realize bulks arent effecient. thats why i do v tek , and no longer bulk. for that matter, id like to see someone convince me , bulks are worth the time , effort , cost and energy. all i see is anecdote, and a few assumptions, based on limited experience.........
i dont think any one is here to convince those already psychologically invested in certain teks. thats impossible. the demo of V tek, is for those that have a degree skill , AND hope for a better grow , and know they can achieve more, with more efficient teks.
im considering ignoring those that i feel offer little other than the same old same old troll tactic.s of denial. especially the ones with know limited grow experience.
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cronicr



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anybody other then you or violet pulled it off yet? i seen b+'s results on the thread but not anything else yet(an honest question)
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bodhisatta 
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
#19411878 - 01/13/14 10:39 AM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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cronicr said: anybody other then you or violet pulled it off yet? i seen b+'s results on the thread but not anything else yet(an honest question)
Yes seriously, It would be quite something if we could see some of our colleagues pull it off, or do we not have it in us? Seems like everyone who asks for help with the new way doesn't exactly get a helping hand.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (01/13/14 10:39 AM)
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anne halonium
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
#19411951 - 01/13/14 11:04 AM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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cronicr said: anybody other then you or violet pulled it off yet? i seen b+'s results on the thread but not anything else yet(an honest question)
its been done and variants by many, using cubes mexicanas and galandois. it is known on other forums.
i get letters form many doing it. many suggest they are avoiding the trollery ATM, till they are more confident with it , then they will publish.
as said its oss and oeric with updates and mods. so its been replicated ...in some form, since the mid 1970's
dogma of bulk , supressed the knowledge. dark age is over now.
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cronicr



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that was all i ask, thnx
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Violet



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bodhisatta said: Seems like everyone who asks for help with the new way doesn't exactly get a helping hand.
Exacerbate and exaggerate the bad, ignore the good. It's almost all it is with you people. I know other people that have been like that. Some of my ex-lovers. Only conclusion to be drawn is that the drama that inherently comes from being such a way is what they wanted for their lives, and regardless of how little I didn't, I was pulled into it by nature of being in the same life space. So as it is here. Like as if you all want to have this drama. Elsewise, why make it yourselves then blame it on me? Do you think I want this garbage to go down? Hell no. Just open your damn eyes and see what I really say, what I really do, what I'm really here for. Facts. Grow. Knowledge. Sharing. Improvement.
I posted this barely less than a day ago...
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Violet said: Dear Pasty, I have no further patience for the distortions and personal redirection of the wide spectrum of humanity and their intents which are all equally capable of posting on the internet. I am laying it out, and leveling with you.
When I am discussing the way I grow with you, far from and kind of childish insult or attack at your grow ability which is clear, or the likes of a personal slander against the abilities of your culture, I am only getting to the heart of perhaps why your results are not (at least not yet) like mine, which are clearly possible as shown in my threads and which I promise are easy when best learned how just like any other.
I'm not saying your culture is mediocre, or you stacked the comparison, or anything of that matter. I'm only observing your results as I would my own and thinking/trying what I would in the attempt to get the best results I could.
However, it is true that this "VS" comparison is done in clear and wonderful understanding of bulk procedure but is the first learning experiment with a quite different method. And it is sure to draw in people with "VS" attitudes about it who clearly cherry-pick, or draw non-sequitur or 'creative' conclusions, or make claims of personal wrongdoings when we're just trying to talk about fungi goddamnit. I'm not a confrontationalist, I'm a grow nerd conversationalist.

Yet for the remarkable quickness at which people jump on the opportunity to twist words and appearances into negativity, there was not a single post acknowledging THAT, yet rather after 17 hours, the peanut gallery is right back to pretending things are the exact opposite, while themselves being the only reason it is if it is.
Laying the bullshit trolling on THICK, just in the last 5 hours! https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19411489#19411489 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19411333#19411333 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19411572#19411572 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19411586#19411586 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19411968#19411968
For fuck's sake people! Grow up. MUSHROOM CULTIVATION FORUM
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cronicr said: anybody other then you or violet pulled it off yet? i seen b+'s results on the thread but not anything else yet(an honest question)
it is known on other forums.
i get letters form many doing it. many suggest they are avoiding the trollery ATM, till they are more confident with it , then they will publish.
I get these too.
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Edited by Violet (01/13/14 11:17 AM)
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FrankHorrigan
The Inquisition



Registered: 01/04/11
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet]
#19411968 - 01/13/14 11:08 AM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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That's because no one took the time to read your massive, self-indulgent post 
Sorry Violet + Anne ruined your thread, pasty. I like the idea, keep up the good work
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anne halonium
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet]
#19411987 - 01/13/14 11:14 AM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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nice to see ya frank. most peeps here know how to sling a bucket already though. and ,V tek is about AVOIDING trich. so thanx, but no one cares. youre empire is totally built on BS and its apparent now to most.
ill assume you read all of me and violets work, otherwise, your purely trolling , as most dont have the gall to comment on things they dont read......
anything you dislike, i take as an endoserment
its cool violet. galileo had the same problem. hes dead for hundreds of yrs, and there are still hold outs.
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bodhisatta 
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FrankHorrigan said: That's because no one took the time to read your massive, self-indulgent post 
Sorry Violet + Anne ruined your thread, pasty. I like the idea, keep up the good work 
Seriously, violet, you're posts are the drama. Believe me, I;m about as drama free as it gets. I grow for my pleasure and help other people grow for their pleasure. You sure spend a lot of time defending your v-tek, time that could be spent making people succeed at it.
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anne halonium
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as opposed to peeps unable to master basic lab skills, and offer little other than drama commentary?
bod, sometimes ya give me hope, then ya backslide,
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cronicr



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hows your day going anne
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Violet



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bodhisatta said: Seriously, violet, you're posts are the drama. Believe me, I;m about as drama free as it gets.
Seriously, bodhisatta, your posts are the drama. Believe me, I'm about as drama free as it gets.
He who smelt it dealt it!
NO U!
Oh how easy it is to SAY. Oh how capable humans are of saying things THAT AREN'T REAL. Round and round we go. The fact that you're even bothering to post that shit proves the very post wrong.
Do some justice to your namesake.
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bodhisatta said: Seems like everyone who asks for help with the new way doesn't exactly get a helping hand. You sure spend a lot of time defending your v-tek, time that could be spent making people succeed at it. 
REALITY CHECK: That's what I've been doing here with Pasty. Your ability to ignore it, and pretend elsewise, doesn't make it real.
Whenever I see posts related to my grow technique I post in them to help. Find one where I don't. How much time I may end up spending in "defense" of other people's wrongness is not to my discredit, but to my credit. Consider how Hacker "defends" bulk tek truths, spending FAR more time doing so, and you folks only put it to his credit and allow it to be seen as what it really is, both defense AND helping.
Anyways, if Germany attacks France, does France not have the right NAY the DUTY to defend itself? Does the Truth not stand to be defended in the wake of Fallacies to perpetuate Willful Ignorance and Negativity?
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Exacerbate and exaggerate the bad, ignore the good. Peanut gallery is right back to pretending things are the exact opposite, while themselves being the only reason it is if it is. For fuck's sake people! Grow up. MUSHROOM CULTIVATION FORUM
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Edited by Violet (01/13/14 11:30 AM)
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bodhisatta 
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anne halonium said: as opposed to peeps unable to master basic lab skills, and offer little other than drama commentary?
bod, sometimes ya give me hope, then ya backslide,
It's the same with beer. We don't need a lab to make it, but we can adopt new tools that have been developed by lab settings over the years. If the product is quality I'd rather be Sierra Nevada then Budweiser
I post for the answers not the replies that are 1/2 pages of defense mechanisms which you're very good at by the way.
And no you don't have to defend always. If you don't run how can you be attacked. It's not like we can kill you here.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (01/13/14 11:29 AM)
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PussyFart
Retired Cultivation Extrodinaire



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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet]
#19412060 - 01/13/14 11:34 AM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Seriously, violet, you're posts are the drama. Believe me, I;m about as drama free as it gets.
Seriously, bodhisatta, your posts are the drama. Believe me, I'm about as drama free as it gets.
He who smelt it dealt it!
NO U!
Oh how easy it is to SAY. Oh how capable humans are of saying things THAT AREN'T REAL. Round and round we go. The fact that you're even bothering to post that shit proves the very post wrong.
Do some justice to your namesake.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.....
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bodhisatta 
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: PussyFart]
#19412071 - 01/13/14 11:35 AM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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Violet said:
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bodhisatta said: Seriously, violet, you're posts are the drama. Believe me, I;m about as drama free as it gets.
Seriously, bodhisatta, your posts are the drama. Believe me, I'm about as drama free as it gets.
He who smelt it dealt it!
NO U!
Oh how easy it is to SAY. Oh how capable humans are of saying things THAT AREN'T REAL. Round and round we go. The fact that you're even bothering to post that shit proves the very post wrong.
Do some justice to your namesake.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.....
Well that's a hell of a change. Did you just do that?
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Violet



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bodhisatta said: And no you don't have to defend always.
Ya know what Bod, here you're right. I don't have to defend myself from such idiocy or the banal baseline of human interactions so many of the peanut gallery insist on.
However, I simply cannot stand idiocy like this.
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bodhisatta said: If you don't run how can you be attacked.
So I choose to be a perspective that shows what it looks like to confront reality and truth.
How about you ask a big mama grizzy bear? How about you ask the native Americans? How about you ask Tibet? How about you ask researchers of free energy that regularly have all their work confiscated by gas-economy backed government? How about you ask the pacifistic victims of the military-industrial complex?
Reality doesn't seem to work the way you think it does.
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bodhisatta said: It's not like we can kill you here.
It astounds me some of the things you cats say as if it's relevant or means anything.
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