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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: RogerRabbit] * 4
    #19220952 - 12/03/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Sgt. Pepper said:
Actually RR, in the original thread talking about the "v-tek" violet made it a point that v-tek was a temporary name until we thought of a better name for it, but we all adopted the name v-tek since we couldn't think of something more catchy. I agree, the name should explain the process not the person, but it isn't violet's fault.



Thank you.

It wasn't even me that started calling it that.
I've called it "container tek" or "seed & plastic tek"  or "oss & oeric 2.1"  or whatnot, until enough others called it "vtek" that I started saying too to be on the same page.  Hell, the person who for the most part developed the general technique even chose to name it after me, I didn't.

Was somewhat honored that people coined it with a V, but I have no desire for a technique to be named after an anonymous forums username.  In the truest sense,  I am Not Violet.


Didn't think RR was the leap-before-looking type, but there's been so much of it recently...
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RogerRabbit said:
You gotta be shitting me.  We don't grow mushrooms on Violet.  We grow mushrooms on substrates.  This crap about naming stuff after oneself is going to stop.  We have 50K members.  We can't have 50K teks named after each person, instead of what the procedure is actually doing.



Honestly Mark I've always had so much respect for you,
but recently you've just seemed like being a presumptive prick towards me.

Maybe if it were someone else you wouldn't have jumped to the conclusion that I "Named stuff after oneself" when other people actually coined it to me.
Maybe if it were someone else you may have acknowledged the very related statements that have been at the header of that tek for over 7 months (which you have even posted in btw), or at least the name of the damn thread "seed & plastic"


By the way, we don't grow mushrooms on ProfessorFanaticus either.


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RogerRabbit said:
Perhaps the original poster can title it something along the lines of what is actually being done.



This is what I've hoped for the whole time.
Rather than "You've gotta be shitting me", perhaps you have some ideas?
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Violet said:
I Hope we can come up with a name that captures the essence of the tek (eg. 'monotub'); if you have any ideas for such, let us know!




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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: FrankHorrigan] * 2
    #19220990 - 12/03/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Line 'em up!

Frank is knowledgeable about "his" monotub techs he learned from others and re-wrote, and in most circumstances you can take what he says at face value,
but don't buy his pretense that he really knows what he's talking about here.

I'll shed some light on the truth about this.

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FrankHorrigan said:
I did this a couple times. I already know the results.



Now on this I can do nothing else but call you out for being a Liar. That is a Lie, you are Lying.
You have never done my grow tech and you have said so.

Remember this?
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Violet said:
You're not even talking about my tech, Frank. You said you've never done it. So this quote:
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FrankHorrigan said:
My bulk beat your grains casing by about twice the yield. This is not biased, it is fact.



... is clearly not a fact because you've not done "my grain casings". Even if you did, I'm not convinced you would get results that really settle the matter on the first try as you wouldn't understand the dynamic right-off; neither did I of course.

However I have done "my grain casings" and they did (still do) as well as your bulks.

When you show me that you've followed my tek as per, that you understand and incorporate the water dynamic, and that you pull it off with the same maximizing excellence as your monotubs, then and only then can you speak as if you have comparable knowledge on it.
Until then, your statements are a farce.



.... So your statements are still a farce.


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FrankHorrigan said:
I won't, for reasons I've gone over a few times in past threads :wink:



You've only "gone over" such "reasons" One time actually,  so I'm sure you're referring to This malarky?:

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"Have you tried both?"
I have.
Side by side trials, isolate, same amount of cased seed in small containers (whatever I could find around) and WBS spawned to bulk. GH grow.
Guess which one I got a bigger yield from?
(hint: not the cased seed)



Did you bottom-water?  I doubt it.

Also I'm sure you broke-up colonized grains into your whatever containers



They were not bottom watered.

But the bulk substrate v grain casings produced a spectacular difference in yield, in the same GH with the same grain prep. Almost double for my bulk.




Of course they did! You, the grower, left the straight-grain with a water limitation, while providing the other grains with bulk watermass. Duh that the one with all the water yielded better, Your grow tech ensured it.  Not particularly objective, as your selection in technique deprived part of your experiment with water, an unaccounted for variable.

You will not yield more mushrooms than you provide water for.
Indeed if one treats straight-grain the same as bulk the bulk sub results will appear greater.



I can't nest any more quotes, but besides personal attack redirection, all you had left to say was "But I get my yields without ever dunking my bulk anymore" :hehehe:

I had even forgotten to point out to him that the conditions of his greenhouse are Also set to bulk, so he had these little containers in bulk substrate conditions!  Likely too harsh, all of the air that bulk subs Require is Detrimental to these small subs, and how little humidity bulk subs needs is too little for these things, exaggerated much further with so much air exchange.  Combined with no watering (despite fully using hydrated bulk for the other side of the test he did quite correctly), No wonder he failed.

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Point to me where you posted your results with my tek.



^^^ Months later, this still has not been done, and yet he speaks as if it has!  How odd.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19221014 - 12/03/13 08:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Sgt. Pepper said:
v-tek was a temporary name until we thought of a better name for it



I never understood why "bottom watering straight grain" was never adopted.  It really captures the essence. 


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: HypnotoadCroaked] * 1
    #19221024 - 12/03/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Whippy said: I won't ever do it, so I really don't care what its called.



Care enough to post about it though?  Pfft.

That "name" is too long of course.  It's like the subtitle to the tek's headline.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet] * 1
    #19221085 - 12/03/13 08:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Last but far from least!  Pasty!

I'm glad you're doing this.
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Pastywhyte said:
Seeing as no one here is willing to do any kind of objective experiment



At least not posting about it.  Indeed, unfortunate.
Surely there are lots of people doing objective experiments.  I get private messages time to time from such people, often users who have not even posted once before.
May it suffice to say that I get lovely 'love' mail, and 0 'hate' mail.

Even more unfortunate is how there are still so many who DO post who have NOT done experiments, much less objective ones, that nonetheless feel as if they have somehow become armchair professionals on the topic for these forums.

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Pastywhyte said:
If I am doing anything terribly wrong on the V tek side (and I'm sure I already have) please let me know, I wish to get the best results with it that I can.



Will do!

And indeed you already have.  It's a small thing though - your containers are loaded quite high up.  Not "too" high, but certainly higher than I've learned is best to do them.  I fill them up to the Cup (8oz) mark at the most.

Surface drying problems and especially side-pins are more likely to happen with tall-loaded containers.
It's already quite likely that you have to overcome difficulties with that anyway, recalling what you tell me of your environs.


EDIT:  I see now that this is because of the G2G transfer.  As you said, hopefully this won't be a big deal for you.
I've not done G2G in many months, inoc'ing the many culture tests I've been doing only with agar wedge.  I love it, and will only return to grass seed G2G for huge expansions once I've for sure found my culture buddy.


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Pastywhyte said:
At no point do I want this to represent the final word on these methods. God forbid that one attempt or another tanks and I bear the blame forever more for throwing the comparison.



Very very wise.

Hell, sometimes I even throw my own comparisons.
There are many reasons to take your results with a grain of salt.
As I've said to people before, "When you've followed my tek as per, understand and incorporate the water dynamic, and you pull it off with the same maximizing excellence as your other grows, only then can you speak as if you have comparable knowledge on it."  This went for me just like it goes for everyone.

If one doesn't learn how little maintenance is required to work these things without messing them up (almost always because of Drying) the results per cake will be as little as PF tek, wasting much of the 2-3x capability that the straight-grain cakes have.

Of course there's a learning curve of the more gentle and low-maintenance environments these cakes require.  It's not harder than bulks, quite easier in fact,  but it's possible that having come from learning the Bulk environment angle first could bring "negative transference" towards how to treat these substrates instead.

And then there's watering, something that's ridiculously easy but must be learned.  You don't always just put water in there when there is none.  If they're not fruiting, they won't draw it up and it will sit there not helping.  Yet if you don't provide it when they need, the fruits will stop growing and expand their caps when they could have kept going.
When I fail to bottom-water more than Once for a flush,  the yield I get in grams is about exactly the same as how many milliliters of water I added.
So when they're not drawing water and not doing anything yet, it's best that they not be wallowing in it.  When they are drawing water, it has to keep coming for optimum yield.


Even attempts at isolating variables, such as using an isolated culture (isolate cultures will perform quite differently in such different circumstances), will not truly make it a fully scientific comparison. It's not possible to do so without factoring in every little thing which most people won't fully consider.


A strain that does fine for me with the hefty first flush of bulk, may have such delay between flushes that it doesn't have enough time to catch up with multiple flushes on straight-grain.  Another example of the playing-field-leveling traits of bulk.
Such may seem to be an "advantage" for bulk substrates, but really all it is is a potential enabler for multi-spore cultures or lesser-quality cultures to not do as poorly.
Personally I would throw out that culture, whereas a "bulk" grower may be content with the big flush results and not become aware of culture inferiority.

If you take advantage of strong culturing,  and find cultures that put their subsequent flushes quickly with large potent flushes etc., then the playing field being leveled is actually a DISadvantage for quite a few reasons, as it's not fully possible for bulk growing to take full advantage of the high points so-to-speak.


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Finally, I do not want this to turn into a flame war or a platform for drama. That is not why I started this project, and if I feel that it is turning into such, I will simply ask a mod to lock the thread. Lets try and use this as a means of discovery.




Let's see if people can actually keep their heads enough to focus only on the facts,
instead of pandering to spin, vague affirmations, unbacked claims, personal slander slur or redirection, or inaccurate comparisons such as pretending that other "straight-grain" grows have anything to do with the seed & plastic tek.




Pasty, in keeping with the whole name-it-what-is-done thing,
remember that Watering Small unbroken consolidated grain cakes for multiple flushesis the important thing.
First part "Watering", second part "small unbroken consolidated grain cakes", third part "multiple flushes."

If there's not sufficient watering, if the cakes are ever crumble-and-cased (which I know you're not doing here), if the grain substrates are larger than a baseball, or if full flushes aren't taken,  (all 4 of which Frank did in his "experiments")  they are Certain to be out-performed by bulk substrate methods where they get extra sub for water reservoir and retention.

Without fully providing the grain's nutrition with all the water they need to expend their nutrition, just like bulk substrates do, this would not be anywhere near an even comparison.
People (like Frank shown above) are happy to pretend that such an improper comparison is objective,  and if you don't keep tabs on that kind of twisted spin the thread is quite likely to get out-of-hand with their personal attacks in return for when I inevitably point out the nonobjective and incorrect.  Just giving you a heads-up, this has happened before and could happen again.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet] * 1
    #19221620 - 12/03/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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FrankHorrigan said:
I did this a couple times. I already know the results.



Now on this I can do nothing else but call you out for being a Liar. That is a Lie, you are Lying.
You have never done my grow tech and you have said so.






Apparently you think that because I only mentioned it to you once means that I haven't done any further tests on my own, nor spoken to others about it.

I told you why I won't post it, I still stand by that.

Take it for what you will.

The reason you have a poor rating from me is perfectly portrayed there. You're out to discredit and play politics with any that disagree with your write-ups. People don't appreciate it when you make everything a personal attack on credibility. And it backfires on you all the time, you've gotten flamed and banned and your threads locked and unlocked multiple times.

My opinion is clear as day for everyone. I'm not here to rain on your "parade," I'm sharing my thoughts. My thoughts are that your tek does not perform as well as I would like, in effort and time spent.

I will engage you in conversation no further here, because we all know where that conversation goes.

I'll be watching Pasty, and I'll let you know how my grow stacked up to yours when you're done :thumbup:


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: FrankHorrigan] * 1
    #19221676 - 12/03/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:popcorn:
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #19221721 - 12/03/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Blaming all of your personal attack bullshit on me Frank, What a horrible fallacy, That's like saying "she who smelt it dealt it"

I told you about this Pasty, and Frank is already making it true :lol:
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People (like Frank shown above) are happy to pretend that such an improper comparison is objective,  and if you don't keep tabs on that kind of twisted spin the thread is quite likely to get out-of-hand with their personal attacks in return for when I inevitably point out the nonobjective and incorrect.  Just giving you a heads-up, this has happened before and could happen again.





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FrankHorrigan said:
I did this a couple times. I already know the results.



Now on this I can do nothing else but call you out for being a Liar. That is a Lie, you are Lying.
You have never done my grow tech and you have said so.



Apparently you think that because I only mentioned it to you once means that I haven't done any further tests on my own, nor spoken to others about it.



Well you sure haven't put up any opposing evidence since then have you?  That's what this forum is based on, right? Evidence?

Doesn't matter what I think.  It matters what you've shown, and you've shown nothing except the belief that a crubled-and-cased not-watered grain grow that Doesn't follow my tech allows you to speak of my tech with the least bet of knowledge from experience.

And what others could you have spoken to that could possibly lend credence any of that junk?  Impossible.

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The reason you have a poor rating from me is perfectly portrayed there. You're out to discredit and play politics with any that disagree with your write-ups. People don't appreciate it when you make everything a personal attack on credibility.



I am NOT out do discredit ANYONE – perhaps save people who are out to artificially credify themselves with falsehoods, or by the pretense of superior knowledge such as yours.

Your statements don't "disagree with my writeups", they're not even ABOUT my write-ups and you only PRETEND they are.
See above post to you.  I feel like a damn broken record, continually presenting this point despite your continual avoidance of it.

When confronted with this fact,  YOU cease to address anything except your twisted contrivances about me as a person.

None of that is true at all, and my many incredibly positive ratings stand to testament.

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FrankHorrigan said:
you've gotten flamed and banned and your threads locked and unlocked multiple times.



I have NEVER been banned EVER.
One thread was locked Twice, for BS reasons and thus was Unlocked.
And how is being flamed assuredly my fault?  People flame other people on the internet.

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My thoughts are that your tek does not perform as well as I would like, in effort and time spent.



It's this simple, Frank:  Then you did it wrong.
If that really is your experience then there's no explanation.
I use fewer materials than you, smaller cooker runs than you, do less work than you, and grow just as much per the grain.

... Oh wait, it's not that you did it wrong, it's that you've never done it at-all?
And yet you pretend to speak from experience.  That's why I called you a Liar.


How about THIS:  My thoughts are that "your" (someone else's) tek is not as simple and efficient as I would like, involving much more effort, materials, energy, time, loss, and post-work to achieve the same result.


The difference between you and I is that I can speak of "your" tek with experience as I've done it many many times.
You've not shown a proper attempt at mine Once, but want to be able to talk shit anyway.


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I will engage you in conversation no further here, because we all know where that conversation goes.



Yes, we all know that you continuing to discuss this will involve you posting bunch of useless re-quotes,  graemlins,  spin, personal attacks and contrivances,  continuing to focus on the personal aspect - without the least bit of ADDRESSING THE FACTS, just like that post.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19221735 - 12/03/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I did this a couple times. I already know the results.



Now on this I can do nothing else but call you out for being a Liar. That is a Lie, you are Lying.
You have never done my grow tech and you have said so.






Apparently you think that because I only mentioned it to you once means that I haven't done any further tests on my own, nor spoken to others about it.

I told you why I won't post it, I still stand by that.

Take it for what you will.

The reason you have a poor rating from me is perfectly portrayed there. You're out to discredit and play politics with any that disagree with your write-ups. People don't appreciate it when you make everything a personal attack on credibility. And it backfires on you all the time, you've gotten flamed and banned and your threads locked and unlocked multiple times.

My opinion is clear as day for everyone. I'm not here to rain on your "parade," I'm sharing my thoughts. My thoughts are that your tek does not perform as well as I would like, in effort and time spent.

I will engage you in conversation no further here, because we all know where that conversation goes.

I'll be watching Pasty, and I'll let you know how my grow stacked up to yours when you're done :thumbup:




:whathesaid:

Carry on OP, sorry violet is trying to flame your thread, she really hates it when I disagree with her :shake:


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: FrankHorrigan] * 2
    #19221746 - 12/03/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Carry on OP, sorry violet is trying to flame your thread :shake:



Such arrogant blame-shifting garbage!
And with Nothing good to say!
Pasty doesn't think I'm flaming his thread, and you're trying to twist appearances to make it look like I am doing what You are actually doing.

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I will engage you in conversation no further here, because we all know where that conversation goes.



Yes, we all know that you continuing to discuss this will involve you posting bunch of useless re-quotes,  graemlins,  spin, personal attacks and contrivances,  continuing to focus on the personal aspect - without the least bit of ADDRESSING THE FACTS, just like that post.



Called it.  :hehehe:


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    #19221748 - 12/03/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:waitingpatiently:


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    #19221754 - 12/03/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I will engage you in conversation no further here, because we all know where that conversation goes.



Yes, we all know that you continuing to discuss this will involve you posting bunch of useless re-quotes,  graemlins,  spin, personal attacks and contrivances,  continuing to focus on the personal aspect - without the least bit of ADDRESSING THE FACTS, just like that post.



Called it AGAIN!  :hehehe:

C'mon, Frank, is this predictably useless posting all you have to try saving face?


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    #19221789 - 12/03/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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:popcorn:
In before meltdowns.



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00 00 00 03 10-4, Standing by for meltown. Over,

The real threadsters of Shroomerygrove.

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    #19221860 - 12/03/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sure such a show would be interesting, but there won't be.
Frank wouldn't show such a meltdown happening if it did (which you can be sure he isn't melting down either, it's just fungi talk besides his deflections), he's always mindful to show just the kind of tip of the iceberg he likes people to see.

And I don't have meltdowns.  I'm incapable of melting down here.  Why would I?  How could I?  Even if 10 people post half-knowledgeable attempts similar to my grow style with mediocre cultures and lackluster water,  how does that change the fact of what I see happen in front of me all the time?  The yield maths and the fungi precedents that are all over this forums and that most of us inform ourselves about all piece together perfectly to explain how I get my results and with No contradictions.
This is how I can hold my own despite being here alone.  Frankly (pun intended) it's easy!
No problem.
Commence.


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    #19221876 - 12/03/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Holy shit people! Can't we all just take a breath, smoke a bowl, and put some of the previous drama aside. I was afraid this would happen but I was hoping that in the interest of learning and having some transparency in the community we could put some of the rhetoric aside and let this thing do what it do.

Frank, you got nothing to prove here, you have lots of respect in this community, especially from me. Violet, this is an opportunity for your tek to be showcased publicly from a third party who is truly interested in the findings. Can't we all just put aside the past and let this be an opportunity to learn and grow as a group? I really don't want to pull the plug on this thread as I feel that it has some real potential for people to form opinions and perhaps follow my lead and try things out for themselves, regardless of what kinda kind of drama has been built up.

I truly hoped that this could be a place where we can all be adults for a moment, maybe bury some hatchets and maybe allow some people form opinions untainted by butthurt politics. Come on guys, lets act as a community. Please.


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    #19221893 - 12/03/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Amen.


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    #19221933 - 12/03/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Pastywhyte said:
Holy shit people! Can't we all just take a breath, smoke a bowl, and put some of the previous drama aside. I was afraid this would happen but I was hoping that in the interest of learning and having some transparency in the community we could put some of the rhetoric aside and let this thing do what it do.

Frank, you got nothing to prove here, you have lots of respect in this community, especially from me. Violet, this is an opportunity for your tek to be showcased publicly from a third party who is truly interested in the findings. Can't we all just put aside the past and let this be an opportunity to learn and grow as a group? I really don't want to pull the plug on this thread as I feel that it has some real potential for people to form opinions and perhaps follow my lead and try things out for themselves, regardless of what kinda kind of drama has been built up.

I truly hoped that this could be a place where we can all be adults for a moment, maybe bury some hatchets and maybe allow some people form opinions untainted by butthurt politics. Come on guys, lets act as a community. Please.




crisis averted.

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    #19221946 - 12/03/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Also on a positive note, thanks Violet for the clarification on bottom watering and when it needs to be applied. I had the impression that you just kept adding it as it disappeared. Might be something you would want to spend a little more time on in your write up.


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    #19221971 - 12/03/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Pasty I'm sure you can imagine how getting some of this in the open before results roll can be a good thing.  You know there are people looking to grasp onto whatever straw they can use as a demonstrative weapon for some reason,  looking for opportunities to emphasize bad results and turn people's eyes away from good ones.  That may seem extreme when said but you know it happens.


Ya see, even the idea that other people would have to replicate my results to discover them as possible is a distraction from that my results clearly indicate my results are possible.  I mean, that sounds like a duh right?  And yet the obvious logic that makes it a duh oddly isn't applied.

That's not to say that the jury isn't out on if other people getting my results is Easy.  I suspect that it will be just like anything else, having a learning curve.  And essentially that's the real determining nature of this thread.  Though I suspect that nobody will be quite able to reach my top results without doing strong culturing,  otherwise this technique (especially enclosed invitro)  is the easiest way I've found to grow, Bar None.

So I'm not here arguing some point.  I'm here correcting people (edit: correction: just one person with a vendetta) making fallacious points regarding facts that I'm aware of.


Truly I'm curious to see how well you'll be able to do here, that's my main interest.
My tech feels much easier to me than bulk teks did and do, and I have higher success and the same yields if not sometimes better.
I'm curious to see if it just comes so easy for me or if others can learn the difference just as easily.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet]
    #19221994 - 12/03/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Also on a positive note, thanks Violet for the clarification on bottom watering and when it needs to be applied. I had the impression that you just kept adding it as it disappeared. Might be something you would want to spend a little more time on in your write up.



Yeah might be.  I don't want to just complicate it with explanation-isms, for the most part it's almost as direct as you see it.  If people come at it thinking it's any more complex than I describe in the tek then they'll come at learning the dynamic with all kinds of thought processes cluttering what they do and what they think it means.  I was just adding a detail for those able to digest it.


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