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tripdawg420
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You can tell Biological Efficiency (B.E.) by weighing them.
Edited by teknix (01/10/14 01:17 AM)
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: teknix]
#19396291 - 01/09/14 10:32 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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teknix said: Anyways, his should have better BE because there is more surface area exposed to be able to fruit, regardless of genetics. Also he has a single organism working on the sub, rather than 6 organisms.
I'm not going to disagree. But there are claims about V-tek that confuse me Some of the ideas of how surface area works in it also seem to elude me  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19167498/fpart/4/vc/1#19167498
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Violet said: Although first-flush photos may not look impressive to eyes only capable of seeing skin deep, the point is that I get more mushrooms from a pound of grain when I use it this way opposed to when I do it the ways I used to, including bulk.
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Violet said: Since grains carry the yield, and are the costly ingredient, it is the yield-per-grain value that is important. Point is, when I calculate my yield-per-grain of this grow tek and bulk sub grows I get about the same value on average.
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Violet said: The ideal comparison would be the Same Exact amount of the Same prepared grain for each grow.
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Violet said: More sub, you're correct. However I'm sure by now you're starting to see the real relevant matter: You may fit more substrate mix in a tote that way, but the real question is, how much grain do you have in that tote?
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Violet said: Monotubs don't have any more grain in a chamber than this would. The watermass bulk sub in the tote doesn't really contribute to yield so it honestly isn't necessary or helpful to consider it as being "more substrate" in the chamber.
Unfortunately for my experiment I was not aware of the necessity to find a "super" culture and was deceived by my previous bulk results into thinking that I had an isolate that I could conduct this experiment with. Guess that I better get some ms grows going with these, clone and test, in order to ensure that I have a culture that is worth using before I do my second round after this experiment concludes.
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Violet



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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Psilicon]
#19396438 - 01/09/14 11:06 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Oh I see what you're saying, but I'm just taking photos that capture their subject matter. I'm no photographer and I don't know anything about what you're calling "forced perspective shots" other than generally getting what you mean now. But you can even see how in the 2nd photo I had them going different ways to get an accurate view. The only thing being done with specific intent is taking photos of the containers and putting the point across. Could have used any of many, and even the ones I did use aren't utilizing the holding-up-the-tower-of-Pisa joke effect, so your distraction of a point is pretty moot
And by the way you cherry-picked by focusing on the photo thing in that statement, responding only to it despite my quote of you and its meaning also if not specifically referring to "spin" and "goddamn prickly". You seem unwilling to suppress your own biased angles and ego attack-defense tactics when you feel yourself as "up against" somebody on the internet, such so that you formulate a real dickish and accusative attack post at me based on the make-believe that I say you're projecting regarding a photo dynamic instead of realizing that I was obviously referring to the personal elements of your post. You were indeed projecting "spin" and "prickly".
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Edited by Violet (01/10/14 10:45 AM)
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anne halonium
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet]
#19398266 - 01/10/14 10:24 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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when ya cant win, yell " trick photography"!
seriously......

^ typical v tek size ( strains vary)
one of the funniest things ive seen here yet, is a frank bulk , where he has some scissors in the pic also. i have those scissors also. its a mighty thick flush indeed........of 3 inch boomers! and a 3 inch sub!
ill stick with my 6 inchers + and a one inch mini sub. if frank doenst mind..........
i got all over the cactus peeps about rulers, and im glad to see they are using them in many pics now. rulers are like the most sobering tools we have. fungi peeps , should follow the lead .......
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Edited by anne halonium (01/10/14 10:33 AM)
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I've gotten mushrooms longer than 5 inches and 3 times as thick. A couple pictures from one cultivator should not be the poster child for an entire method, no offense frank, I have lots of respect for you and your grows. What did that mushroom weigh Anne? A gram? A gram and a half? I have grown 5+ gram mushrooms no problem. I don't think the v-tek's selling point should be mushroom size.
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anne halonium
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i agree, its not a contest of size. its a contest of dry weight / sub weight/ power.
so naturally i go with v-tek.
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bodhisatta 
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TBH that is a sad dinky looking mushroom next to that ruler. Every time I have in-vitro fruits they end up being tall and skinny like that with wimpy caps
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Violet



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No, it is Not a "sad dinky mushroom" it's 5 inches long, longer counting the curve. The best looking bulk results aren't ones where the mushrooms are any bigger, they're ones where there are many of mushrooms pretty much that same size or even smaller. (But note that the pictures that are most impressive are ones where the cultivator has waited too long to pick )
I pity the person who thinks that, given an equal total yield, larger mushrooms are better. That's because that person hasn't learned that smaller ones taste better and are more potent (just ask RR) not to mention much easier to dry and divide.
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anne halonium
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet]
#19398593 - 01/10/14 11:48 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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we always shoot for the mid size clone crop, dense canopy, and power. and we pick before cap breaks.......
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet]
#19398598 - 01/10/14 11:49 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Violet, In two paragraphs you say bulk fruits are smaller and smaller fruits are better. I'm sold.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (01/10/14 12:01 PM)
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anne halonium
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never said that.
strains vary, as with objectives.
my big complaint on bulks is the power. my peeps are spoiled, and would riot if i used anything but fert grain subs.
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HypnotoadCroaked
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I support the notion of a Spore to spore Grow off between the people that use this plastic cup method versus a few of the mono users. I doubt they have enough stock photographs to keep up with other users real pictures
You are trying to tell us that ALL of your fruits look like that? My opinion is that that looks like crap. A 4" long skinny and shriveled up fruit is nothing to brag about. They say that they all look that way, but yet we only see one? I am actually going to call BS on this whole thing. I am now almost totally convinced that this "pp5 bottom watering" method has been setup to establish failure at the cost of overly complicating something that IS simple. It should't be called the "V-method" or whatever. It should be called the "bs tek". Just because it makes fruits, does not make it better (or even good). It could even be called a "Rube Goldberg" method. Move this to here, water here then etc. Its an over complicated way to establish a clear route to failure and sub par fruits.
If I had a tub of fruits that looked like that one, I would discontinue that culture instantly, and never pursue a second flush. Trash-can-tek the whole mess.
Don't try to impress me with a fruit that looks like it was ripped right off a contaminated substrate. Don't use garden fertilizer in your grow, use your grow as garden fertilizer.
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i bet you cant grow a 152 gram mushroom like i did in my monotub. in a cup
and do you not grow mush anymore anne? cause i always see your same pics
Edited by twistedty (01/10/14 12:04 PM)
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bodhisatta 
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anne halonium said:

^ typical v tek size ( strains vary)
I'm glad I'm not the only one that agrees that that fruit should be the poster child for a Meh TEK.
EVEN IF ferts make a grow more potent I would rather eat twice as many made without that ingredient. I personally have more care for my shrooms then supposedly pumping out a few more active molecules, what's next GMO shrooms?
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HypnotoadCroaked
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: twistedty]
#19398757 - 01/10/14 12:18 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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twistedty said: i bet you cant grow a 152 gram mushroom like i did in my monotub. in a cup
and do you not grow mush anymore anne? cause i always see your same pics
I cannot believe that no one has had a single "2 girls one pp5 cup" joke yet.
The argument is that smaller fruits are better....So by creating a "method" that touts the merits of small fruits, they can automatically discredit anyone who grows large fruits. See how they did that.
Twistedty: What you are 100% about is that THEY ARE NOT INTENTIONALLY GROWING SMALL FRUITS. The method they are using simply does not support large fruits, and so instead of wording it as such, they make it seem that the fruits are doing EXACTLY what they (Violent and Anni Helium) designed. See how they worked that? Basically its hot air and propaganda. The method is bunk as far as I have seen, and I don't need to test it. Thanks for the very informative photo and the explanation. You pretty much explained everything in a few words and a photo that may have been a question to a new cultivator or old.
So if you want to complicate a grow with a pile of overpriced plastic containers, maintain and upkeep regularly and have small shriveled up fruits, this is the tek for you. Sounds about as appealing as eating broken glass.
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GMO shroom doubt that but if they do and are higher in psilocybin/psilocin then reg cubes and grow under same conditions, I would be happy to try them out..... take me high im home again...
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anne halonium
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sorry guys, were not feeling baited today by the usual distortions.
it would be absurd, for me to drop everything, and suddenly imitate you guys.

its a performance and efficiency thing.
( i almost quit in the 1990s, because traditonal teks for fungi and cacti, simply didnt meet my performance demands , therefore, i devleoped my own that did.........)
i still think this is a good thread, and i have reasonable confidence in the OP, in spite of many variables.
facts and pics rarely convince anyone here, but , the more peeps that experiment, and see for themselves, the paradigm will shift....... thats what really scars peeps here.
the archives will last a long time in cyberspace.
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: sololas]
#19398831 - 01/10/14 12:39 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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looked at the pics and skipped the rest, fuck it all pasty NICE FUCKING GROW BRO! well doc'd too. keep up the good work
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anne halonium said: sorry guys, were not feeling baited today by the usual distortions.
And such heavy distortions they are.
I could spend two hours typing up responses to all those straw-man twists and pointing out how people are cherry-picking or just straight up pretending. But I dare not waste my time as much as they. I'm not sure why some people are so motivated to create a certain perception of things, regardless of the truth of which they essentially admit knowing nothing about, since their ignorant bias against the matter of this topic causes them to believe their misconceptions are true without the first-hand knowledge of the folly of their own claims, thus stopping them from even acquiring that first-hand experience at all.
I don't talk to you guys about this for MY sake. I could drop the forums in a heartbeat and continue on with the success of my grow method regardless of if anyone from the internet peanut gallery believes that it happens or not. And the forums would only have lost a strong piece of its wonderful variety. I talk with you guys about this, sharing what I've learned, because of how unfortunate it is you genuinely believe the contortions of myco perceptions that make you fervently believe your take on mycology is the cutting-edge of understanding and application.
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Whippy said: The method they are using simply does not support large fruits,
You're wrong, and it kindof looks like you're an idiot too. Why else would you believe something so obviously untrue? Only because you want to twist our words to mean things they don't in order to attempt to ridicule and defame.
  
  
Over and over again such wanton disregard for YIELD in the pretense that larger mushrooms somehow necessarily means more mushrooms despite the obvious folly of such a flawed perspective. Over and over again distraction from that so many experienced cultivators including RR have established that smaller mushrooms are the superior product.
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Edited by Violet (01/10/14 02:03 PM)
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