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Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety * 2
    #19218609 - 12/02/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone think that the reason everyone has anxiety here, much more than normal, is because of weed? I think weed causes anxiety, especially in social situations, which leads to anxiety disorders.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 2
    #19218617 - 12/02/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

What makes you think a disproportionate number of people here have anxiety? Are you sure you aren't projecting?


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19218623 - 12/02/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe, I have heard that complaint from some people about weed.

I smoke weed all the time and I don't think I'm a socially anxious person, however.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19218624 - 12/02/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I've smoked for the last 8 consecutive days. If anything, weed kills my anxiety and helps me relax.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19218627 - 12/02/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Anyone think that the reason everyone has anxiety here, much more than normal, is because of weed?




Yes, for myself, I do believe that.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: DieCommie]
    #19218634 - 12/02/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

thats ridic. I have social anxiety, and smoke weed. But i had the anxiety longgggg before the weed.

so for me at least, nadda

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: live2fry]
    #19218648 - 12/02/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Has anybody here found this: Little Jimmy started out smoking weed. He could handle it in any situation. At work, at schook, around little Jimmies mother and father. Little Jimmy one day had a panic attack, or some trigger, and now every time Jimmy smokes he gets anxiety.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19218656 - 12/02/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Has anybody here found this: Little Jimmy started out smoking weed. He could handle it in any situation. At work, at schook, around little Jimmies mother and father. Little Jimmy one day had a panic attack, or some trigger, and now every time Jimmy smokes he gets anxiety.



I have something similar to that but with nausea. I think the mary jane is causing me reoccurring nausea.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: live2fry]
    #19218675 - 12/02/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't start smoking until I was 18 and my anxiety has always been very bad without MJ


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: dontknow] * 4
    #19218685 - 12/02/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Want me to let you guys in on a secret?

Little Jimmy doesn't exist. I made him up. He is me.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: dontknow]
    #19218688 - 12/02/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

This just in, weed may has caused OP to obtain an extra chromosome.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19218693 - 12/02/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know about you but based on where I live and the crowds I hang out with, pot smokers tend to be more talkative and confident. Every time I sesh, being social feels a lot more interesting and fun than usual.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19218713 - 12/02/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Anyone think that the reason everyone has anxiety here, much more than normal, is because of weed? I think weed causes anxiety, especially in social situations, which leads to anxiety disorders.



I found out very recently its the low CBD weed that causes those problems. THC without CBD = paranoia and anxiety. CBD weed is the best, like the schwag I got as a kid, never have me anxiety because of the CBD, the high THC zero CBD is bad news bears.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 5
    #19218720 - 12/02/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If you smoke pot daily, in considerable amounts, you are way more likely to be anxious, depressed or otherwise befuddled than nonsmokers or infeequent smokers.

Some can smoke a lot of herb and be OK but many can't. And I think its like that with all drugs, if you take em daily it messes you up.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Alexestalex]
    #19218730 - 12/02/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe people with underlying anxiety disorders are just attracted to weed. I personally smoke daily  for the most part and im pretty sociable high or not


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Asante] * 3
    #19218731 - 12/02/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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If you smoke pot daily, in considerable amounts, you are way more likely to be anxious, depressed or otherwise befuddled than nonsmokers or infeequent smokers.

Some can smoke a lot of herb and be OK but many can't. And I think its like that with all drugs, if you take em daily it messes you up.




Yeah, a lot of people blame it on their own personality when it's clearly drug-related. I'm sure most of these "disorders" can be cured with exercise and abstinence.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Ultron]
    #19218737 - 12/02/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

high THC = a head high and high CBDs= a body high right?


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19218745 - 12/02/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Anyone think that the reason everyone has anxiety here, much more than normal, is because of weed? I think weed causes anxiety, especially in social situations, which leads to anxiety disorders.



Weed can give you social anxiety trips if you sit alone and smoke :-)

so it is best to smoke not alone

my best way of smoking was doing it every 2 weeks or so at one time, and every 3-4 months at another time (out in pub, not alone smoking)

daily smoking always gave me anxiety, paranoid (check the door, hide the weed etc), always thinking people were talking about me etc.

weed messed up my thoughts, but didnt give me fear really, just quite paranoid when I smoked too much

paranoia is a normal side effect with skunk/strong hash, it is reduced after stopping 2-3 months :-)

the munchies side effect were worse than the paranoia
but the change in thoughts were a bit bad too... very hard to be myself if I smoked daily
and it took many many months for my thoughts to return to normal/baseline, had weird thoughts for many months after stopping

it all seems dose related, and individual, and set,setting based

I subscribe to The Mckenna Way
Once every few months(do it rarely), get the strongest stuff you can get, silent darkness/or pub with friends ;-)
if you have to smoke MJ... but I know firsthand MJ can be very good at inducing anxiety
know a few people who had to stop due to it, it is very common
I had to stop due to bad trips on it, and for personal reasons

it seems my thoughts werent messed up so much if I didnt smoke everyday, only when it was everyday did it really mess up my thoughts

what is more important than being in control of your own thoughts? nothing IMO

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19218771 - 12/02/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

100% percent of anxiety is caused because of cops and just bad people in general. go somewhere where there is none of these and you will be cured.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19218774 - 12/02/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

"Weed is the reason 90% of the people here have anxiety" lol man that's such an unfounded claim, and that's coming from someone who no longer blazes because of the anxiety factor I get from it


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: zZZz] * 1
    #19218777 - 12/02/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Weed is the reason people die.

Anxiety is just side effect


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #19218780 - 12/02/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

100 % of pot smokers die


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19218782 - 12/02/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Lolz


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19218783 - 12/02/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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100 % of pot smokers die




or do they just go up in smoke :strokebeard:


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19218784 - 12/02/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Anyone think that the reason everyone has anxiety here, much more than normal, is because of weed? I think weed causes anxiety, especially in social situations, which leads to anxiety disorders.




When I first started smoking I seemed to experience no negative side effects. I've now been smoking for around 3-4 years, primarily on weekends but I've had 1-2 week long binges, smoked an entire oz with my cousin in three days this past summer.

It's not how I feel when I'm high but how I feel when I'm not high. For some reason, I have become increasingly anxious in social situations. I have no clue where these feelings arose from but I'm starting to believe that the bud is exacerbating a predisposed anxiety disorder I already had. I'm not pulling this out of my ass, anxiety runs in many many of my family members. Some of them do no drugs whatsoever and their anxiety is considerably worse than mine.

Starting this upcoming Jan, I plan to quit smoking for 2 months, possibly more. If the anxiety I experience socially diminishes, I will probably begin to limit my smoking to only 2 times a month if that.

I plan on replacing my occasional weed use with kratom as I enjoy a release on the weekends and really can't stand alcohol. This thread will definitely not be active in 3 months to come but I will most likely report back if I find any improvement.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: zZZz]
    #19218787 - 12/02/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

weed exaggerates my DP/DR so bad that i cant smoke it anymore

Actually, it doesnt bother me WHILE im high, its kind of cool. I would smoke weed, but the DP/DR sticks around a few weeks after i come off my high...

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #19218831 - 12/02/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I think a lot of younger users are in denial about cannabis's effect on their anxiety and I've noticed this trend on here for years (long time lurker). That being said there are plenty of folks who's anxiety is reduced greatly by smoking. Sometimes weed reduces my anxiety, sometimes (in certain situations) in can make me prone to panic attacks. Not everything is black white, know what I mean jellybean?

On the subject of CBD, I purchased and grew a clone from a reputable cannabis club called Harlequin, whitch supposedly had considerably high levels of CBD and little to no THC. The final product sucked quite frankly. Maybe if I took the time to make a concentrate my opinion might be different but Ill take a nice skunky indica over that shit any day if im looking for a relaxing, anxiety reducing body high.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: CavemanJohnson]
    #19218876 - 12/02/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I think a lot of younger users are in denial about cannabis's effect on their anxiety and I've noticed this trend on here for years (long time lurker). That being said there are plenty of folks who's anxiety is reduced greatly by smoking. Sometimes weed reduces my anxiety, sometimes (in certain situations) in can make me prone to panic attacks. Not everything is black white, know what I mean jellybean?

On the subject of CBD, I purchased and grew a clone from a reputable cannabis club called Harlequin, whitch supposedly had considerably high levels of CBD and little to no THC. The final product sucked quite frankly. Maybe if I took the time to make a concentrate my opinion might be different but Ill take a nice skunky indica over that shit any day if im looking for a relaxing, anxiety reducing body high.



Agreed. Weed affects everyone differently, just like any other drug.

I know many people who hate smoking because it makes them very anxious, but I also know many, including myself, who feel more socially lubricated when slightly high--not red-eyed blazed, but a bit uplifted. I also think that, like any other drug that affects humans--which all have internal analogues that regulate mental and bodily functions--there are some people who have a natural deficiency in them. Just as some people need SSRIs to increase free serotonin levels in their brains to bring them back to a baseline, depression-free lifestyle, some people may have a low endocannabinoid function. I may be one of those people. I generally suffer from a lack of appetite, anxiety, and depression. I've dealt with these my whole life, long before ever smoking marijuana. Some days, I'm active all day and forget to eat until 8PM because I just don't neurologically register hunger as some people do. I've thought daily about suicide since I recognized my own mortality at about the age of thirteen. To be clear, I no longer smoke marijuana (I may again some day in the future), but I can tell you that it definitely did not make me more anxious. My ex-girlfriend, however, would nearly have panic attacks every time she smoked. I've had other friends that had the same reaction. I have never had that reaction.

As for CBD, I don't think it has many psychoactive effects at all. I think the whole thing about body buzz/head buzz that people attribute to CBD is kind of bullshit. There's many other cannabinoids in THC that could be responsible for the 'body buzz'. For instance, when I vaporized cannabis, I'd usually get a 'head high' and I'd save the scraps and make edibles. The edibles almost always had much more of a stoned, body high than anything I've inhaled. I think that the cannabinoids that vaporize at higher temperatures are more responsible for the 'body buzz' and the lower vapor temperature ones are more responsible for the 'head high.'


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: mylfgur]
    #19218884 - 12/02/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

you're all being buttheads

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: OliverJames]
    #19218885 - 12/02/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
Anyone think that the reason everyone has anxiety here, much more than normal, is because of weed? I think weed causes anxiety, especially in social situations, which leads to anxiety disorders.




When I first started smoking I seemed to experience no negative side effects. I've now been smoking for around 3-4 years, primarily on weekends but I've had 1-2 week long binges, smoked an entire oz with my cousin in three days this past summer.

It's not how I feel when I'm high but how I feel when I'm not high. For some reason, I have become increasingly anxious in social situations. I have no clue where these feelings arose from but I'm starting to believe that the bud is exacerbating a predisposed anxiety disorder I already had. I'm not pulling this out of my ass, anxiety runs in many many of my family members. Some of them do no drugs whatsoever and their anxiety is considerably worse than mine.

Starting this upcoming Jan, I plan to quit smoking for 2 months, possibly more. If the anxiety I experience socially diminishes, I will probably begin to limit my smoking to only 2 times a month if that.

I plan on replacing my occasional weed use with kratom as I enjoy a release on the weekends and really can't stand alcohol. This thread will definitely not be active in 3 months to come but I will most likely report back if I find any improvement.




It took me over a year to feel normal socially/motivationally again after stopping daily use
never had social anxiety before doing weed, only mild social anxiety like most people have, but I enjoyed being social with others and lived with lots of neighbors for many years(dormitory)
mushrooms seems to help social anxiety though... as does LSD
next day no worries, and it lasts

at least for me.. weed always makes me socially anxious in any situation almost
but it seems dose related, and especially skunk seems to do it
I always ended up taking too many puffs

I would imagine pot to not be as bad with this...

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: CavemanJohnson]
    #19218887 - 12/02/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Did you get high at all from the harlequin?

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Epigallo]
    #19218906 - 12/02/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

All you socially anxious smokers, I suggest trying out kratom.

It will give you energy, relax you, make you feel warm and cuddly, happy, and productive. I prefer the high of kratom to weed.

Also etizolam is good to combine with weed to prevent the side effects most of you are describing.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19218931 - 12/02/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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All you socially anxious smokers, I suggest trying out kratom.

It will give you energy, relax you, make you feel warm and cuddly, happy, and productive. I prefer the high of kratom to weed.

Also etizolam is good to combine with weed to prevent the side effects most of you are describing.




As someone no longer smoking weed, I find that etizolam is a great substitute. I used weed to help with social anxiety and after trying benzos find they they work just as well, and etizolam gives me the munchies, too. It doesn't make me especially less depressed like cannabis does, though.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19218938 - 12/02/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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All you socially anxious smokers, I suggest trying out kratom.

It will give you energy, relax you, make you feel warm and cuddly, happy, and productive. I prefer the high of kratom to weed.

Also etizolam is good to combine with weed to prevent the side effects most of you are describing.



very true!!

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: lessismore]
    #19218942 - 12/02/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Salvia works great too

relaxing,improves mood, notice beauty, gives intense dreams, sometimes good overview of problems/thoughts - you just know what you must do after you have smoked it often

and it is non-addictive, you dont feel like smoking it again and again

it can be chewed for meditation, and grown as a houseplant, so you can actually get high from just watching your plant grow
without even needing to chew or smoke it :-)

I like salvia much better than weed, wouldnt even consider smoking weed
but salvia I like maybe 1-2 times a year max, and it is a really beautiful houseplant

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Epigallo]
    #19218944 - 12/02/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Very mildly, the smoke was thick and harsh and did not taste good. If you could could manage to smoke enough if could be enjoyable. Definitely should have made a concentrate, oh well.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: lessismore]
    #19218965 - 12/02/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Salvia works great too

relaxing,improves mood, notice beauty, gives intense dreams, sometimes good overview of problems/thoughts - you just know what you must do after you have smoked it often

and it is non-addictive, you dont feel like smoking it again and again

it can be chewed for meditation, and grown as a houseplant, so you can actually get high from just watching your plant grow
without even needing to chew or smoke it :-)




I find salvia to be incredibly dysphoric. I've smoked both natural leaf and extract and have never had a remotely good experience. I can see why it's legal in most states, because after what I've seen, who would ever want to touch that stuff?


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: lessismore]
    #19218981 - 12/02/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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and grown as a houseplant, so you can actually get high from just watching your plant grow
without even needing to chew or smoke it :-)




what the fuck are you talking about? you just breath next to your plant and get high?

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: live2fry]
    #19218997 - 12/02/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

yea dude. you just stare at it and you get high. do even stare at salvia bro?  :flowstone:

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: mylfgur]
    #19219001 - 12/02/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

For people who do experience anxiety or paranoia from marijuana I think yes that's a very possible scenario. The MAJORITY of people I see who smoke weed Do not have ANY problems with anxiety or paranoia.

To prove my point, I had SEVERE anxiety that had me taking 15mg of Xanax a day and when I started medical marijuana that year, instead I started to only need 4mg of Xanax. Medical marijuana has and continually helped me with my anxiety, I.B.S and ADHD.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #19219022 - 12/02/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Smoking weed isn't healthy for your psychological health if you do it frequently, ESPECIALLY if you have anxiety, a history of mental illness, or any predisposition to mental disorders.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19219043 - 12/02/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Smoking weed isn't healthy for your psychological health if you do it frequently, ESPECIALLY if you have anxiety, a history of mental illness, or any predisposition to mental disorders.



Maybe not for you, but I know plenty of friends and family who get by just fine, and cannabis seems to help them a lot. On the flip side, though, I know other friends and family who have seen the dark side of cannabis and get anxiety from it, or get so addicted to the point that they steal and lie to obtain it. It's all subjective and perhaps some people are more disposed to problems.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: mylfgur]
    #19219044 - 12/02/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Personally I only use it for tripping rarely, 1-2 times every 1-3 years ;-)

but when I trip on it I have never regretted yet, better than any LSD or mushroom trip sometimes

you remember the trip for a lifetime

some of my best trips, if not the best trip has been a salvia trip (and done LSD/mushrooms a lot)

always used a sitter though, can be dangerous without a sitter

if you want a different trip, that is very psychedelic then salvia can be good
it is just so intense I dont feel like smoking for another 2-3 years

still like mushrooms/LSD better... but salvia can be just as enjoyable for me
if that makes sense ;-) they can all be nice trips with nothing missing it feels like

the only thing missing from a salvia trip is not being able to take a walk in nature like on LSD/mushrooms
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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: lessismore]
    #19219048 - 12/02/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Man no offence but salvia isn't great.

That's just my experience with it but damn brother why the salvia?

It's too intense for me and not euphoric. Your experience may vary though.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19219063 - 12/02/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Because drug induced euphoria on psychedelics is not always the cats meow.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19219073 - 12/02/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Smoking weed isn't healthy for your psychological health if you do it frequently




Right.... and breathing oxygen is the cause of everyone's death

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: ModestMouse]
    #19219078 - 12/02/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I dont need euphoria to trip

my thoughts are my euphoria, can take me any place I want if I dont fear

LSD often has more euphoria than mushrooms IME, but does that mean LSD is better than mushrooms? no

actually after trying both I think I might prefer the mushroom, due to the randomness of the trip and afterglow

it is the same with salvia... very unpredictable... perfect

who wants a psychedelic that is predictable everytime? I like my trips different each time in same setting

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: lessismore]
    #19219088 - 12/02/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Mushrooms can make you gay but LSD seems to really have that intense euphoria I have never felt from any other psychedelic.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: ModestMouse]
    #19219095 - 12/02/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Salvia for me is not about euphoria, its like being violently transported to another dimension. Not for the faint of heart. I find it spiritual and not something to be smoked regularly for enjoyment like pot. That being said when I come to from a salvia trip im usually on the ground drooling on myself from laughing so hard. I've only smoked extracts though, pure salvia leaf sound intriguing.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: CavemanJohnson]
    #19219099 - 12/02/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Anyone think that the reason everyone has anxiety here, much more than normal, is because of weed? I think weed causes anxiety, especially in social situations, which leads to anxiety disorders.



I don't have anxiety and I abuse cannabis heavily, and also abused synthetic noids for a couple years.

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Has anybody here found this: Little Jimmy started out smoking weed. He could handle it in any situation. At work, at schook, around little Jimmies mother and father. Little Jimmy one day had a panic attack, or some trigger, and now every time Jimmy smokes he gets anxiety.



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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: CavemanJohnson]
    #19219106 - 12/02/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Salvia for me is not about euphoria, its like being violently transported to another dimension. Not for the faint of heart. I find it spiritual and not something to be smoked regularly for enjoyment like pot. That being said when I come to from a salvia trip im usually on the ground drooling on myself from laughing so hard. I've only smoked extracts though, pure salvia leaf sound intriguing.



This should be in the Websters dictionary under salvia :lol:


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19219111 - 12/02/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

>have anxiety



You know what grinds my gears, this trend where people claim, in the first person, to "have anxiety" as though anxiety is an illness or a condition, rather than an emotion/feeling. You don't heard people say they "have happy" or "have tired" do you?

It's:

"I am tired"
"I am happy"; and
"I am anxious"

Everybody HAS these emotions so it goes without saying that you "have" them.

You can say:
"Smoking cannabis makes me feel anxious."
"Speaking in public makes me feel anxious."
"Sometimes I feel anxious for no reason."

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Asante]
    #19219113 - 12/02/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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If you smoke pot daily, in considerable amounts, you are way more likely to be anxious, depressed or otherwise befuddled than nonsmokers or infeequent smokers.

Some can smoke a lot of herb and be OK but many can't. And I think its like that with all drugs, if you take em daily it messes you up.



this. if a drug works, and you take it daily, you're throwing off homeostasis. there's no way of getting around it

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19219125 - 12/02/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Mushrooms can make you gay but LSD seems to really have that intense euphoria I have never felt from any other psychedelic.



Why would mushrooms make you gay?
then LSD would make you uber-gay, even more love

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Dawks]
    #19219127 - 12/02/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

:facepalm: Really, you have never heard of clinically diagnosed anxiety disorder?


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: lessismore]
    #19219129 - 12/02/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Why would mushrooms make you gay?




:uhno:

Because mushrooms make you gay.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #19219138 - 12/02/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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If you smoke pot daily, in considerable amounts, you are way more likely to be anxious, depressed or otherwise befuddled than nonsmokers or infeequent smokers.

Some can smoke a lot of herb and be OK but many can't. And I think its like that with all drugs, if you take em daily it messes you up.



this. if a drug works, and you take it daily, you're throwing off homeostasis. there's no way of getting around it




Who needs homeostasis when you have pot? :tongue:

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Dawks]
    #19219143 - 12/02/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Personally weed really helps my anxiety and depression
I've been prescribed every antidepressant under the sun even ketamine
None of them can even touch how much weed has helped me
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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Dawks]
    #19219144 - 12/02/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

My buddy when he trips ends everything he says with " i dont mean that in gay way" which leads me to think mushrooms turned him gay


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Dawks]
    #19219145 - 12/02/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Why would mushrooms make you gay?




:uhno:

Because mushrooms make you gay.




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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19219204 - 12/02/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Weed was for sure the primary cause of anxiety and panic attacks for me.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19219212 - 12/02/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'm more anxious when I don't smoke pot to be honest.  Only time I am ever anxious is when I drink too much coffee or don't drink enough coffee.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: fapjack]
    #19219238 - 12/02/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

weed doesn't give me anxiety if it was bad for me I wouldn't smoke it


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: watermelon mon]
    #19219259 - 12/02/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The anxiety and panic attacks from weed are way worse than caffeine anxiety.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19219363 - 12/02/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

this is fucking dumb you tell people they have anxiety and then you don't have a poll?

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Konyap]
    #19219370 - 12/02/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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this is fucking dumb you tell people they have anxiety and then you don't have a poll?




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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Konyap]
    #19219375 - 12/02/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

That is because Bitter Cactus is a troll, brah

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Konyap]
    #19219377 - 12/02/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I haven't smoked weed in over a year. No anxiety here :raveface:

Except when I have too much coffee. Then I have just a little bit.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19219387 - 12/02/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Smoking weed isn't healthy for your psychological health if you do it frequently, ESPECIALLY if you have anxiety, a history of mental illness, or any predisposition to mental disorders.



doing any drug frequently is bound to impart some unwanted side effects. didn't we already go over this?

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: watermelon mon]
    #19219388 - 12/02/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

dosage. dosage. dosage. if you stay conscious of your dosage and tolerence (and live in a legal state), I believe you can eliminate nearly all the negatives of weed. respect the plant and use it like an adult.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Asante]
    #19219722 - 12/02/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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If you smoke pot daily, in considerable amounts, you are way more likely to be anxious, depressed or otherwise befuddled than nonsmokers or infeequent smokers.

Some can smoke a lot of herb and be OK but many can't. And I think its like that with all drugs, if you take em daily it messes you up.




This is a very judgmental thing to say, and a bit childish. Honestly it makes me think less of your intelligence about mind altering substances and people that use them in general. If you are willing to just lump all daily drug users into categories like this, it's pretty hipocritical for someone who's avatar say's "Celebrate Diversity".


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Moorning Due] * 1
    #19219733 - 12/02/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Guys, don't do marijuana. I knew a guy who snorted FOUR WHOLE MARIJUANAS once. He OD'd. Don't do it.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19219749 - 12/02/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, that number is total bull shit and weed does give ME anxiety but I highly doubt it gives that many people anxiety. That's stupid.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19219785 - 12/02/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know that i would say it's everyones problem, but i do think there are a LOT of people who have issues from smoking weed and won't own up to it because of this preconceived notion that weed is "safe". Weed has some nice effects for me which create an intense draw towards it, but also a whole range of negative effects on my life. I know everyone reacts differently, but i don't believe for a second that i'm alone, or even a minority. People smoking weed day in and out and wondering why they feel lazy and anxious yet they won't take a break long enough to even consider that the issue might be pot

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Moorning Due]
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Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
If you smoke pot daily, in considerable amounts, you are way more likely to be anxious, depressed or otherwise befuddled than nonsmokers or infeequent smokers.

Some can smoke a lot of herb and be OK but many can't. And I think its like that with all drugs, if you take em daily it messes you up.




This is a very judgmental thing to say, and a bit childish. Honestly it makes me think less of your intelligence about mind altering substances and people that use them in general. If you are willing to just lump all daily drug users into categories like this, it's pretty hipocritical for someone who's avatar say's "Celebrate Diversity".



we don't take kindly to bad mouthing wiccan on here.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19219905 - 12/02/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Im not going to read this while thread but weed helps my anxiety. :rasta:

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: live2fry]
    #19219907 - 12/02/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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If you smoke pot daily, in considerable amounts, you are way more likely to be anxious, depressed or otherwise befuddled than nonsmokers or infeequent smokers.

Some can smoke a lot of herb and be OK but many can't. And I think its like that with all drugs, if you take em daily it messes you up.




This is a very judgmental thing to say, and a bit childish. Honestly it makes me think less of your intelligence about mind altering substances and people that use them in general. If you are willing to just lump all daily drug users into categories like this, it's pretty hipocritical for someone who's avatar say's "Celebrate Diversity".



we don't take kindly to bad mouthing wiccan on here.

name-calling is childish.




Hrmm. Don't see any name calling going on.. Sorry. Just my opinion.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Moorning Due]
    #19219993 - 12/02/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Pot is the worst for latently mentally ill people. haha... the first time I smoked, it was horrifying. It was basically a bad psychedelic experience. I should have known it was latent schizophrenia but thought it was just a newbie reaction. So I tried it a few times again. Man teenagers are dumb.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19219997 - 12/02/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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All you socially anxious smokers, I suggest trying out kratom.

It will give you energy, relax you, make you feel warm and cuddly, happy, and productive. I prefer the high of kratom to weed.

Also etizolam is good to combine with weed to prevent the side effects most of you are describing.




I'm really gettin into kratom. It leaves me feeling ridiculously relaxed and warm but also very functional. My only problem with the stuff is that there is a very distinct line between too little and too much. If I take a little too much, I get nausea, too little and the overall experience is underwhelming. I have zero opiate tolerance so I think my sweet spot right now is around 3.5g of powdered Bali

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Moorning Due]
    #19220002 - 12/02/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Moorning Due said:
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If you smoke pot daily, in considerable amounts, you are way more likely to be anxious, depressed or otherwise befuddled than nonsmokers or infeequent smokers.

Some can smoke a lot of herb and be OK but many can't. And I think its like that with all drugs, if you take em daily it messes you up.




This is a very judgmental thing to say, and a bit childish. Honestly it makes me think less of your intelligence about mind altering substances and people that use them in general. If you are willing to just lump all daily drug users into categories like this, it's pretty hipocritical for someone who's avatar say's "Celebrate Diversity".



we don't take kindly to bad mouthing wiccan on here.

name-calling is childish.




Hrmm. Don't see any name calling going on.. Sorry. Just my opinion.



can't read your own writing? i have that problem sometimes too.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19220005 - 12/02/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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What makes you think a disproportionate number of people here have anxiety? Are you sure you aren't projecting?




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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: live2fry]
    #19220027 - 12/02/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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can't read your own writing? i have that problem sometimes too.




Can you help me, because I can't figure it out. What name exactly did I call??

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Moorning Due]
    #19220063 - 12/02/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

As a very experienced marijuana smoker, I have noticed a few things

1. Weed can definitely cause anxiety, but it can just as (or more) often reduce anxiety. Often it relaxes me, but occasionally it causes anxiety or even panic attacks

2. Dosage seems to be a huge factor. If i take one hit, I feel good and relaxed. If I take 3 or more, I am much more likely to feel anxiety

3. Method of smoking makes a difference. Bongs or aqualungs are the worst for causing anxiety, joints and vaporizers are much less likely to cause it.

4. The type of weed (sativa or indica) probably makes a difference.

5. How often and frequently you smoke probably makes a difference.

Kratom and etizolam are both great replacements for weed, but they also both go really well with weed.

I used to have the problem where it was very easy to get nausea from kratom. As I have done it many times since, I almost never get nausea any more, even at high doses. Its awesome. The negative is it takes me significantly more to get a good high, the positive is I don't get nausea any more.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19220264 - 12/03/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

How about this, weed affects different people differently.

My GF, doesn't smoke because it gives her anxiety

Me, it has the exact opposite effect

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Shroomism]
    #19220270 - 12/03/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Werd. It gives me the total opposite of anxiety.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19220993 - 12/03/13 07:57 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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The anxiety and panic attacks from weed are way worse than caffeine anxiety.



I've had more panic attacks from caffeine.  I'm used to them though and I just deal with them.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: fapjack]
    #19221001 - 12/03/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I think a lot depends on "set and setting" type stuff. If you're already at ease with yourself and your surroundings, an anxious reaction is probably less likely.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: psi]
    #19221022 - 12/03/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Gtfo with these sweeping generalizations, i've seen alot of similar shite lately on this site it seems .........
All you nubs don't wanna smoke weed because it gets you paranoid or whatever else then fucking stop, not everybody gets the same effects as you......... how fuckin hard is this to understand???

Stop trying to run around calling weed all these things when YOU can't handle it......:facepalm3:

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Pureless]
    #19221029 - 12/03/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Huh?

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19221031 - 12/03/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Shroomism]
    #19222685 - 12/03/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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How about this, weed affects different people differently.

My GF, doesn't smoke because it gives her anxiety

Me, it has the exact opposite effect

Science in action

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So? Smoking cigarettes doesn't give everyone lung cancer, but it's not something to ignore. I don't understand why everyone who loves pot is getting so defensive over the statement that weed causes anxiety. Clearly, it is a prevalent side effect. In fact, to ignore it, making wild statements like that weed is 1,000 times less likely to cause anxiety than psychedelics like mushrooms, is pretty harmful in my opinion. Maybe you have different anecdotal experiences, but that isn't science. Here's mention of a couple studies to pound the nail in the coffin of that argument:

Marijuana tends to cause anxiety:

"Anxiety. Although many recreational users say that smoking marijuana calms them down, for others it has the opposite effect. In fact, the most commonly reported side effects of smoking marijuana are intense anxiety and panic attacks. Studies report that about 20% to 30% of recreational users experience such problems after smoking marijuana. The people most vulnerable are those who have never used marijuana before."

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Mental_Health_Letter/2010/April/medical-marijuana-and-the-mind

Mushrooms tend to help anxiety:

In 2011, a study published in the Archives of General Psychiatry by researchers from UCLA and elsewhere found that low doses of psilocybin improved the moods and reduced the anxiety of 12 late-stage terminal cancer patients over a long period. These were patients aged 36 to 58 who suffered from depression and had failed to respond to conventional medications.

Each patient was given either a pure dose of psilocybin or a placebo, and asked to report their levels of depression and anxiety several times over the next few months. Those who’d been dosed with psilocybin had lower anxiety levels at one and three months, and reduced levels of depression starting two weeks after treatment and continuing for a full six months, the entire period covered by the study. Additionally, carefully administering low doses and controlling the environment prevented any participants from having a negative experience while under the influence (colloquially, a “bad trip.”)"

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2013/06/could-magic-mushrooms-be-used-to-treat-anxiety-and-depression/

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Epigallo]
    #19222809 - 12/03/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
How about this, weed affects different people differently.

My GF, doesn't smoke because it gives her anxiety

Me, it has the exact opposite effect

Science in action

:cookiemonster:




So? Smoking cigarettes doesn't give everyone lung cancer, but it's not something to ignore. I don't understand why everyone who loves pot is getting so defensive over the statement that weed causes anxiety. Clearly, it is a prevalent side effect. In fact, to ignore it, making wild statements like that weed is 1,000 times less likely to cause anxiety than psychedelics like mushrooms, is pretty harmful in my opinion. Maybe you have different anecdotal experiences, but that isn't science. Here's mention of a couple studies to pound the nail in the coffin of that argument:

Marijuana tends to cause anxiety:

"Anxiety. Although many recreational users say that smoking marijuana calms them down, for others it has the opposite effect. In fact, the most commonly reported side effects of smoking marijuana are intense anxiety and panic attacks. Studies report that about 20% to 30% of recreational users experience such problems after smoking marijuana. The people most vulnerable are those who have never used marijuana before."

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Mental_Health_Letter/2010/April/medical-marijuana-and-the-mind

Mushrooms tend to help anxiety:

In 2011, a study published in the Archives of General Psychiatry by researchers from UCLA and elsewhere found that low doses of psilocybin improved the moods and reduced the anxiety of 12 late-stage terminal cancer patients over a long period. These were patients aged 36 to 58 who suffered from depression and had failed to respond to conventional medications.

Each patient was given either a pure dose of psilocybin or a placebo, and asked to report their levels of depression and anxiety several times over the next few months. Those who’d been dosed with psilocybin had lower anxiety levels at one and three months, and reduced levels of depression starting two weeks after treatment and continuing for a full six months, the entire period covered by the study. Additionally, carefully administering low doses and controlling the environment prevented any participants from having a negative experience while under the influence (colloquially, a “bad trip.”)"

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2013/06/could-magic-mushrooms-be-used-to-treat-anxiety-and-depression/




There's a clear difference. Numerous constituents of tobacco are known carcinogens. This can be demonstrated not just with correlation, but with biological causation. Anxiety is a psychological symptom and psychological symptoms are much more complex than purely biological symptoms. To connect the two is a non sequitur. To say that "anxiety is a common side effect of marijuana use" is, however, a truth. I just can't stand ridiculous analogies.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: mylfgur]
    #19222846 - 12/03/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

So you state that it is true that tobacco commonly causes lung cancer. You state that it is true that marijuana commonly causes anxiety. Yet to think of anxiety as a side effect analogous to a side effect from any other drug is ridiculous.

I'm not sure how much more directly you can contradict yourself.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Epigallo]
    #19222876 - 12/03/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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So you state that it is true that tobacco commonly causes lung cancer. You state that it is true that marijuana commonly causes anxiety. Yet to think of anxiety as a side effect analogous to a side effect from any other drug is ridiculous.

I'm not sure how much more directly you can contradict yourself.




Let me explain it in fewer words.

Biology =/= Psychology

Tobacco commonly causes lung cancer. True. Marijuana commonly causes anxiety. True. But to make an analogy between an quantitative science and a qualitative science is a fallacy in my eyes.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: circastes]
    #19222902 - 12/03/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Pot is the worst for latently mentally ill people. haha... the first time I smoked, it was horrifying. It was basically a bad psychedelic experience. I should have known it was latent schizophrenia but thought it was just a newbie reaction. So I tried it a few times again. Man teenagers are dumb.




Circastes would you describe your experience with weed? I get some reallllly trippy highs than sometimes make me a feel a little looney, but idk if that's just from using psychedelics or not. I don't really have any family histories of disorders and i've been tripping for a couple years everywhere from low to very large doses without lasting issue. I have also smoked weed more times than i could count and hallucinate weird shit maybe 1/4 of the time. But still, no issues with my sober state

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: mylfgur]
    #19222906 - 12/03/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, it can be a plausible hypothesis. I was never really good at public speaking but I've noticed that I'm way worse now in my 20's then I was when I was 15... I mean it could be the pressure of the situations.. also note I am never high doing a presentation, class, public speaking, etc.. I only smoke with friends on off days or at night/ do-nothing days...


I really don't have anxiety outside of public speaking though... I can easily talk to people, classmates, and have more friends then I can count...

....not sure why my progression for public speaking has gotten worse since high school?..? Probably because it fucking SUCKS

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: mylfgur]
    #19222915 - 12/03/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Wrong. Analogies almost always make comparisons between dissimilar things. Objecting to this would be like objecting to an analogy between electrical resistance and hydraulic resistance because they are different fields, even though they can be described by similar equations.

What exactly are you objecting to? My objection to the flippant attitude that we should brush off marijuana's side effects because it "affects different people in different ways"? Everything affects different people in different ways, but we can always find trends, and those trends are usually important.

I don't need anything explained in fewer words. Honestly, I think you have a misunderstanding of what an analogy is.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19223019 - 12/03/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i smoked for 15 years no problems. i quit two years ago because i started having panic attacks after i would smoke or i would just feel really anxious, bordering on panic. i still get anxiety and panic attacks, though. for me, weed exacerbates a preexisting condition, but it doesn't surprise me when people who smoke on a regular basis tell me that they suffer from anxiety (and that's why they smoke), to which i usually respond with asking if they've thought about quitting. most will come up with some reason as to why they can't or that weed isn't the problem, etc. i dunno, people are strange.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Epigallo]
    #19223044 - 12/03/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Wrong. Analogies almost always make comparisons between dissimilar things. Objecting to this would be like objecting to an analogy between electrical resistance and hydraulic resistance because they are different fields, even though they can be described by similar equations.

What exactly are you objecting to? My objection to the flippant attitude that we should brush off marijuana's side effects because it "affects different people in different ways"? Everything affects different people in different ways, but we can always find trends, and those trends are usually important.

I don't need anything explained in fewer words. Honestly, I think you have a misunderstanding of what an analogy is.



:shrug: I may be the one who used the word analogy inappropriately, but you're the one who equated the causal mechanisms of cancer with those of anxiety. Yeah, you're right on analogies being made about dissimilar things, which is why I'm claiming that cancer and anxiety are clearly dissimilar things. I'm not even sure what you're debating at this point, I don't think anyone in this thread is arguing that marijuana never causes anxiety. All the claims I've seen against the OP's point are all from subjective viewpoints. Are you suggesting that they're lying to themselves?


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: mylfgur]
    #19223104 - 12/03/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I never made any kind of statement that anxiety is caused by the same mechanism as cancer, I merely used the words in the same paragraph. My only point of contention was with Shroomism's seemingly flippant attitude, which was carried over from another thread where he stated that psychedelics, mushrooms in particular, are 1,000 times more likely to cause anxiety and psychosis than cannabis. Which is why I provided the excerpts about the studies. And then we got derailed with this argument over analogies.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: mylfgur] * 1
    #19223114 - 12/03/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

There is absolutely no doubt that cannabis can exacerbate and even cause anxiety in some people. I've seen it many times. People miscalculate their dose...you don't need much to get high. There is a sweet spot from person to person as far as dose goes and if you go above that sweet spot you will experience some negative side effects.

I've always been an anxious person. Years and years before I ever tried cannabis. In my experience cannabis has not helped or hurt my anxiety.

If I vape a bowl when I'm anxious, then I'll be more anxious. If I vape a bowl when I'm relaxed, I'll be more relaxed. Cannabis just enhances your existing emotions IMO

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: thilfee]
    #19223632 - 12/03/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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http://www.dirkhanson.org/neuroaddiction.html

interesting

and this:

http://www.kaiserfoundation.ca/how-to-get-your-mind-right-again-after-using-marijuana/





for quick results; stop being stupid and stop smoking pot like a rabid monkey who's trapped in a cage.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Epigallo]
    #19223658 - 12/03/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

Shroomism said:
How about this, weed affects different people differently.

My GF, doesn't smoke because it gives her anxiety

Me, it has the exact opposite effect

Science in action

:cookiemonster:




So? Smoking cigarettes doesn't give everyone lung cancer, but it's not something to ignore. I don't understand why everyone who loves pot is getting so defensive over the statement that weed causes anxiety. Clearly, it is a prevalent side effect. In fact, to ignore it, making wild statements like that weed is 1,000 times less likely to cause anxiety than psychedelics like mushrooms, is pretty harmful in my opinion. Maybe you have different anecdotal experiences, but that isn't science. Here's mention of a couple studies to pound the nail in the coffin of that argument:

Marijuana tends to cause anxiety:

"Anxiety. Although many recreational users say that smoking marijuana calms them down, for others it has the opposite effect. In fact, the most commonly reported side effects of smoking marijuana are intense anxiety and panic attacks. Studies report that about 20% to 30% of recreational users experience such problems after smoking marijuana. The people most vulnerable are those who have never used marijuana before."

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Mental_Health_Letter/2010/April/medical-marijuana-and-the-mind

Mushrooms tend to help anxiety:

In 2011, a study published in the Archives of General Psychiatry by researchers from UCLA and elsewhere found that low doses of psilocybin improved the moods and reduced the anxiety of 12 late-stage terminal cancer patients over a long period. These were patients aged 36 to 58 who suffered from depression and had failed to respond to conventional medications.

Each patient was given either a pure dose of psilocybin or a placebo, and asked to report their levels of depression and anxiety several times over the next few months. Those who’d been dosed with psilocybin had lower anxiety levels at one and three months, and reduced levels of depression starting two weeks after treatment and continuing for a full six months, the entire period covered by the study. Additionally, carefully administering low doses and controlling the environment prevented any participants from having a negative experience while under the influence (colloquially, a “bad trip.”)"

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2013/06/could-magic-mushrooms-be-used-to-treat-anxiety-and-depression/



:lmafo: ok, we all affirm that Pot can cause anxiety (like any other drugs because it's a drug... changing your general state of consciousness, we're so dumb we don't understand this, hence the anxiety... oop i can feel it coming on right now! :uhoh: ) pot causing anxiety can especially effect those who haven't done Marijuana before and those who are susceptible to anxiety.

ok, so now can we get to the point, that it doesn't effect everyone liek that, and we don't need peolpe preaching to people who don't have these effects, that they should watch out for these effects? can we now? please? i just covered all your ground... what you're trying to "cover" here... so now, can we get to the point of people NOT having negative side effects? that seems to be more of an interesting notion then people having anxiety from "A DRUG".

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19223682 - 12/03/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

My anxiety is not linked to weed.

Occasionally if I'm in the wrong setting, it will cause anxiety - very occasionally. But my anxiety is personally linked to actual events/situations.

I've had similar issues since I was 9, it's just how I tend to respond to any kind of trauma :shrug:.

I will say that weed or being high in general never helped me cope with my anxiety in any way. The only thing that helped was time, and reducing/eliminating stressors that directly caused it.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19223827 - 12/03/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I couldn't care less if you smoke pot. It is the misinformation that I am making a stand against. He stated mushrooms are 1,000 times more likely to cause anxiety and psychosis than pot, which I provided direct evidence against. I already disproved his statement about psychosis - particularly his comment about schizophrenia - in the last thread.

I just knock em out, and I'm done.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Epigallo]
    #19223864 - 12/03/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

you realize people are making these ludicrous arguments because they keep having to defend their point of view against MORONS who keep saying how wrong they for "thinking that pot has no negative effects" when all they're ACTUALLY SAYING is that it's pointless to try and preach about the possible negative effects of Marijuana to Marijuana users THAT DON'T GET THOSE EFFECTS.

if you're gonna preach, preach to the people who solely blame a drug that by happenstance, they DON'T STOP USING, for all their problems.

not to the people who have no problems with using it, or whom use it infrequently... then we can all drop these shenanigans.

and stop trying to make comparisons between other psychedelic drugs, and Cannabis.

all drugs have side effects, all drugs can cause anxiety. ever try taking an OD of anti-anxiety pills, or Opiates...? guess what happens when you do that... you get anxious. (and you could possibly die)

so. next time, all of you peeps should just recogonize this plain fact about ingesting substances that mess around with your usual state of mind... it CAN MAKE YOU ANXIOUS. get over it.

PS: this is a general statement. not a personal one.

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    #19223932 - 12/03/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

There's a lot of backlash going both ways. The government demonizes it, then counter culture christens it a miracle drug, then some people say, wait, it's not perfect, and the quibbling never stops. :shrug:

I guess that's all we are doing here.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Epigallo]
    #19223965 - 12/03/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, i guess so. miracle drugs don't exist. unless someone sees someone trying to rant about "miracle drugs" no one should have a problem with any using or talking about the positive effects of Marijuana, without needing to preach about the negative side effects; unless of course someone is unable to recognize these facts; although one should take care, because just because someone else isn't acknowledging the negative side effects, doesn't mean they are unaware of them... unless the person is seemingly "unaware" of these effects, especially if they're in risk of being taken down a peg by Marijuana. ("omg i am so ready to quit, i need to! but just one more bowl!")

which is a rarity to say the least.

PS: again, not a personal conjecture, just a general one.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19224023 - 12/03/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

By the same token, shouldn't we be free to discuss negative effects without having a compulsion to preach positive effects? I guess there is nothing else to mention, and we aren't really making any progress by reiterating the positive and negative aspects. Like you said, it would be more useful to talk about ways to minimize any side effects - which I have to argue, aren't always apparent on the surface.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Epigallo]
    #19224494 - 12/03/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

well, no one should have to TELL YOU if YOU'RE feeling bad, right?

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    #19224525 - 12/03/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Nor good. I'm bored with this conversation. I think we've established everything.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Epigallo]
    #19224627 - 12/03/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

thank God.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19224916 - 12/03/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I believe marijuana when vaporized or used in edibles can legitimately be called a miracle drug, for the treatment of loneliness, pain, nausea, anorexia, depression and cancer treatment. When you consider that marijuana is just one of aspect of a plant (hemp) that is a miracle substance capable of replacing lumber for paper, be used to make superior concrete, clothes etc, and is one of the worlds most nutritious foods, weed is a miracle. Especially considered is amazing safety profile.


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