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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19220005 - 12/02/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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What makes you think a disproportionate number of people here have anxiety? Are you sure you aren't projecting?




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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: live2fry]
    #19220027 - 12/02/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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can't read your own writing? i have that problem sometimes too.




Can you help me, because I can't figure it out. What name exactly did I call??

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Moorning Due]
    #19220063 - 12/02/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

As a very experienced marijuana smoker, I have noticed a few things

1. Weed can definitely cause anxiety, but it can just as (or more) often reduce anxiety. Often it relaxes me, but occasionally it causes anxiety or even panic attacks

2. Dosage seems to be a huge factor. If i take one hit, I feel good and relaxed. If I take 3 or more, I am much more likely to feel anxiety

3. Method of smoking makes a difference. Bongs or aqualungs are the worst for causing anxiety, joints and vaporizers are much less likely to cause it.

4. The type of weed (sativa or indica) probably makes a difference.

5. How often and frequently you smoke probably makes a difference.

Kratom and etizolam are both great replacements for weed, but they also both go really well with weed.

I used to have the problem where it was very easy to get nausea from kratom. As I have done it many times since, I almost never get nausea any more, even at high doses. Its awesome. The negative is it takes me significantly more to get a good high, the positive is I don't get nausea any more.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19220264 - 12/03/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

How about this, weed affects different people differently.

My GF, doesn't smoke because it gives her anxiety

Me, it has the exact opposite effect

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Shroomism]
    #19220270 - 12/03/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Werd. It gives me the total opposite of anxiety.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19220993 - 12/03/13 07:57 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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The anxiety and panic attacks from weed are way worse than caffeine anxiety.



I've had more panic attacks from caffeine.  I'm used to them though and I just deal with them.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: fapjack]
    #19221001 - 12/03/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I think a lot depends on "set and setting" type stuff. If you're already at ease with yourself and your surroundings, an anxious reaction is probably less likely.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: psi]
    #19221022 - 12/03/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Gtfo with these sweeping generalizations, i've seen alot of similar shite lately on this site it seems .........
All you nubs don't wanna smoke weed because it gets you paranoid or whatever else then fucking stop, not everybody gets the same effects as you......... how fuckin hard is this to understand???

Stop trying to run around calling weed all these things when YOU can't handle it......:facepalm3:

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Pureless]
    #19221029 - 12/03/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19221031 - 12/03/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Shroomism]
    #19222685 - 12/03/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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How about this, weed affects different people differently.

My GF, doesn't smoke because it gives her anxiety

Me, it has the exact opposite effect

Science in action

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So? Smoking cigarettes doesn't give everyone lung cancer, but it's not something to ignore. I don't understand why everyone who loves pot is getting so defensive over the statement that weed causes anxiety. Clearly, it is a prevalent side effect. In fact, to ignore it, making wild statements like that weed is 1,000 times less likely to cause anxiety than psychedelics like mushrooms, is pretty harmful in my opinion. Maybe you have different anecdotal experiences, but that isn't science. Here's mention of a couple studies to pound the nail in the coffin of that argument:

Marijuana tends to cause anxiety:

"Anxiety. Although many recreational users say that smoking marijuana calms them down, for others it has the opposite effect. In fact, the most commonly reported side effects of smoking marijuana are intense anxiety and panic attacks. Studies report that about 20% to 30% of recreational users experience such problems after smoking marijuana. The people most vulnerable are those who have never used marijuana before."

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Mental_Health_Letter/2010/April/medical-marijuana-and-the-mind

Mushrooms tend to help anxiety:

In 2011, a study published in the Archives of General Psychiatry by researchers from UCLA and elsewhere found that low doses of psilocybin improved the moods and reduced the anxiety of 12 late-stage terminal cancer patients over a long period. These were patients aged 36 to 58 who suffered from depression and had failed to respond to conventional medications.

Each patient was given either a pure dose of psilocybin or a placebo, and asked to report their levels of depression and anxiety several times over the next few months. Those who’d been dosed with psilocybin had lower anxiety levels at one and three months, and reduced levels of depression starting two weeks after treatment and continuing for a full six months, the entire period covered by the study. Additionally, carefully administering low doses and controlling the environment prevented any participants from having a negative experience while under the influence (colloquially, a “bad trip.”)"

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2013/06/could-magic-mushrooms-be-used-to-treat-anxiety-and-depression/

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Epigallo]
    #19222809 - 12/03/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

Shroomism said:
How about this, weed affects different people differently.

My GF, doesn't smoke because it gives her anxiety

Me, it has the exact opposite effect

Science in action

:cookiemonster:




So? Smoking cigarettes doesn't give everyone lung cancer, but it's not something to ignore. I don't understand why everyone who loves pot is getting so defensive over the statement that weed causes anxiety. Clearly, it is a prevalent side effect. In fact, to ignore it, making wild statements like that weed is 1,000 times less likely to cause anxiety than psychedelics like mushrooms, is pretty harmful in my opinion. Maybe you have different anecdotal experiences, but that isn't science. Here's mention of a couple studies to pound the nail in the coffin of that argument:

Marijuana tends to cause anxiety:

"Anxiety. Although many recreational users say that smoking marijuana calms them down, for others it has the opposite effect. In fact, the most commonly reported side effects of smoking marijuana are intense anxiety and panic attacks. Studies report that about 20% to 30% of recreational users experience such problems after smoking marijuana. The people most vulnerable are those who have never used marijuana before."

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Mental_Health_Letter/2010/April/medical-marijuana-and-the-mind

Mushrooms tend to help anxiety:

In 2011, a study published in the Archives of General Psychiatry by researchers from UCLA and elsewhere found that low doses of psilocybin improved the moods and reduced the anxiety of 12 late-stage terminal cancer patients over a long period. These were patients aged 36 to 58 who suffered from depression and had failed to respond to conventional medications.

Each patient was given either a pure dose of psilocybin or a placebo, and asked to report their levels of depression and anxiety several times over the next few months. Those who’d been dosed with psilocybin had lower anxiety levels at one and three months, and reduced levels of depression starting two weeks after treatment and continuing for a full six months, the entire period covered by the study. Additionally, carefully administering low doses and controlling the environment prevented any participants from having a negative experience while under the influence (colloquially, a “bad trip.”)"

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2013/06/could-magic-mushrooms-be-used-to-treat-anxiety-and-depression/




There's a clear difference. Numerous constituents of tobacco are known carcinogens. This can be demonstrated not just with correlation, but with biological causation. Anxiety is a psychological symptom and psychological symptoms are much more complex than purely biological symptoms. To connect the two is a non sequitur. To say that "anxiety is a common side effect of marijuana use" is, however, a truth. I just can't stand ridiculous analogies.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: mylfgur]
    #19222846 - 12/03/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

So you state that it is true that tobacco commonly causes lung cancer. You state that it is true that marijuana commonly causes anxiety. Yet to think of anxiety as a side effect analogous to a side effect from any other drug is ridiculous.

I'm not sure how much more directly you can contradict yourself.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Epigallo]
    #19222876 - 12/03/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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So you state that it is true that tobacco commonly causes lung cancer. You state that it is true that marijuana commonly causes anxiety. Yet to think of anxiety as a side effect analogous to a side effect from any other drug is ridiculous.

I'm not sure how much more directly you can contradict yourself.




Let me explain it in fewer words.

Biology =/= Psychology

Tobacco commonly causes lung cancer. True. Marijuana commonly causes anxiety. True. But to make an analogy between an quantitative science and a qualitative science is a fallacy in my eyes.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: circastes]
    #19222902 - 12/03/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Pot is the worst for latently mentally ill people. haha... the first time I smoked, it was horrifying. It was basically a bad psychedelic experience. I should have known it was latent schizophrenia but thought it was just a newbie reaction. So I tried it a few times again. Man teenagers are dumb.




Circastes would you describe your experience with weed? I get some reallllly trippy highs than sometimes make me a feel a little looney, but idk if that's just from using psychedelics or not. I don't really have any family histories of disorders and i've been tripping for a couple years everywhere from low to very large doses without lasting issue. I have also smoked weed more times than i could count and hallucinate weird shit maybe 1/4 of the time. But still, no issues with my sober state

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: mylfgur]
    #19222906 - 12/03/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, it can be a plausible hypothesis. I was never really good at public speaking but I've noticed that I'm way worse now in my 20's then I was when I was 15... I mean it could be the pressure of the situations.. also note I am never high doing a presentation, class, public speaking, etc.. I only smoke with friends on off days or at night/ do-nothing days...


I really don't have anxiety outside of public speaking though... I can easily talk to people, classmates, and have more friends then I can count...

....not sure why my progression for public speaking has gotten worse since high school?..? Probably because it fucking SUCKS

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: mylfgur]
    #19222915 - 12/03/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Wrong. Analogies almost always make comparisons between dissimilar things. Objecting to this would be like objecting to an analogy between electrical resistance and hydraulic resistance because they are different fields, even though they can be described by similar equations.

What exactly are you objecting to? My objection to the flippant attitude that we should brush off marijuana's side effects because it "affects different people in different ways"? Everything affects different people in different ways, but we can always find trends, and those trends are usually important.

I don't need anything explained in fewer words. Honestly, I think you have a misunderstanding of what an analogy is.

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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19223019 - 12/03/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i smoked for 15 years no problems. i quit two years ago because i started having panic attacks after i would smoke or i would just feel really anxious, bordering on panic. i still get anxiety and panic attacks, though. for me, weed exacerbates a preexisting condition, but it doesn't surprise me when people who smoke on a regular basis tell me that they suffer from anxiety (and that's why they smoke), to which i usually respond with asking if they've thought about quitting. most will come up with some reason as to why they can't or that weed isn't the problem, etc. i dunno, people are strange.


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: Epigallo]
    #19223044 - 12/03/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Wrong. Analogies almost always make comparisons between dissimilar things. Objecting to this would be like objecting to an analogy between electrical resistance and hydraulic resistance because they are different fields, even though they can be described by similar equations.

What exactly are you objecting to? My objection to the flippant attitude that we should brush off marijuana's side effects because it "affects different people in different ways"? Everything affects different people in different ways, but we can always find trends, and those trends are usually important.

I don't need anything explained in fewer words. Honestly, I think you have a misunderstanding of what an analogy is.



:shrug: I may be the one who used the word analogy inappropriately, but you're the one who equated the causal mechanisms of cancer with those of anxiety. Yeah, you're right on analogies being made about dissimilar things, which is why I'm claiming that cancer and anxiety are clearly dissimilar things. I'm not even sure what you're debating at this point, I don't think anyone in this thread is arguing that marijuana never causes anxiety. All the claims I've seen against the OP's point are all from subjective viewpoints. Are you suggesting that they're lying to themselves?


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Re: Weed is the reason 90% of people here have anxiety [Re: mylfgur]
    #19223104 - 12/03/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I never made any kind of statement that anxiety is caused by the same mechanism as cancer, I merely used the words in the same paragraph. My only point of contention was with Shroomism's seemingly flippant attitude, which was carried over from another thread where he stated that psychedelics, mushrooms in particular, are 1,000 times more likely to cause anxiety and psychosis than cannabis. Which is why I provided the excerpts about the studies. And then we got derailed with this argument over analogies.

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