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Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :)
    #19218301 - 12/02/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Habitat: purchased dried so I don't know any of these really. Purchased in California. I can upload more close up photos of that would help

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Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.

Gills:
Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.

Stem:
Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.

Cap:
Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.

Spore print color:
Very important!

Bruising:
Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.

Other information: stinks quite bad
Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: bisboy]
    #19218332 - 12/02/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

They are Psilocybe cubensis, besides not having any caps they look normal to me.
That dark stuff is probably spores and some discoloration.


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: bisboy]
    #19218336 - 12/02/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nah if those are cube stems, which they look to be, thats just normal blue bruising. Its a good thing!


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: bisboy]
    #19218905 - 12/02/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think cubensis is likely but with them being dried and no caps, I don't think anybody can guarantee it.


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: bisboy]
    #19222590 - 12/03/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks so much for the help, really appreciated! Why might someone remove the caps, is it common practice? And also do they usually smell a bit funky?

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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: bisboy]
    #19223964 - 12/03/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:shrug:

Looks to me like you got ripped off. Shrooms with no caps? That's like paying for bud and getting only stemmy, seedy shake!


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #19224133 - 12/03/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Looks to me like you got ripped off. Shrooms with no caps? That's like paying for bud and getting only stemmy, seedy shake!



It's more like paying for bud that doesn't have seeds in it. I assume they used them for prints. :shrug:
Stems still get you high and that's what you are paying for. You can't get high off of seeds and stems.


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19224140 - 12/03/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah agree that was a horrible analogy.


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19224193 - 12/03/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It's more like paying for bud that doesn't have seeds in it. .




I don't know about that analogy either. That implies that caps are a bad thing and the supplier did a favor by removing them.

I think the best analogy would be you got the bottom nugs of the sack, the "shake" if you will.


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: Ran-D]
    #19224205 - 12/03/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ran-D gets the best analogy award, but MJKs was still way better than Prolific Mycognomes lol.  I don't think OP got ripped off at all.  The stipes are just fine, as far as I'm concerned.


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: Ran-D]
    #19224228 - 12/03/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah but shake has more kief in it because it falls off the bud and settle at the bottom of the bag, there is more THC in shake than bud by weight.
I smoke a lot of joints so 'weed-dust is just alright by me'.


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19224252 - 12/03/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Shake also costs less, I hope OP got a discount.


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    #19224275 - 12/03/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ohhhh good point MJK.  You are in the lead again!


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: jet li]
    #19224279 - 12/03/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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ohhhh good point MJK.  You are in the lead again!



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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: Ran-D]
    #19224301 - 12/03/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There is a persistent belief that the caps contain more psilocybin than the stems.  Many years ago when I was in high school it was pretty common for dealers to give "cap bags" to their regular customers.  The rest of the buyers got "stem bags".  I guess that still goes on, and perhaps that's the case here.

I guess some studies have been done too, proving a minor difference -

Do caps or stems contain more psilocybin?


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19224412 - 12/03/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

maynard I got a fat bag of shake with your name on it, come trade me your nugs for it.


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: Ran-D]
    #19224478 - 12/03/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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There is a persistent belief that the caps contain more psilocybin than the stems.  Many years ago when I was in high school it was pretty common for dealers to give "cap bags" to their regular customers.  The rest of the buyers got "stem bags".  I guess that still goes on, and perhaps that's the case here.

I guess some studies have been done too, proving a minor difference -

Do caps or stems contain more psilocybin?



That's really cool although a little bit inconclusive.
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maynard I got a fat bag of shake with your name on it, come trade me your nugs for it.



The first time I read this I thought you said, "Maynard I got a fat bag with your name on it, come trade me your nuts for it". :lol:
I would totally trade you, if you lived close enough to make it worthwhile.
You have to admit that shake has more pollen in it than buds do.


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    #19224818 - 12/03/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You have to admit that shake has more pollen in it than buds do.




No stem weight either.  Some of those big buds have thick branches.
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    #19224825 - 12/03/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You have to admit that shake has more pollen in it than buds do.




lol, why would I wanna smoke pollen?!


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: Ran-D]
    #19224912 - 12/03/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You have to admit that shake has more pollen in it than buds do.




lol, why would I wanna smoke pollen?!



To get high. Why would anyone smoke weed...
Blond hash is just compressed cannabis pollen (kief), It's where most of the THC is. I think.

Why wouldn't you want to smoke pollen...
Maybe it's not the correct name for this stuff :shrug: so what would you call it?
If it came from any other plant you'd call it pollen.
There is more of it in shake than in bud, so you get higher smoking shake than buds.


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19224926 - 12/03/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You have to admit that shake has more pollen in it than buds do.




lol, why would I wanna smoke pollen?!



To get high. Why would anyone smoke weed...
Blond hash is just compressed cannabis pollen (kief), It's where most of the THC is. I think.

Why wouldn't you want to smoke pollen...
Maybe it's not the correct name for this stuff :shrug: so what would you call it?
If it came from any other plant you'd call it pollen.
There is more of it in shake than in bud, so you get higher smoking shake than buds.





Holy hash castle!!! Do you need any new friends? Lol :grin:


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    #19224929 - 12/03/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You're smoking the crystals that receive the pollen, people get rid of male plants to prevent the presence of pollen. Another advantage to removing males (besides growing seedless buds) is the buds will produce more crystals that will swell up fatter because the plant is trying it's hardest to get pollinated.


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19224930 - 12/03/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wanna smoke some of that pollen...That looks tastey


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    #19224944 - 12/03/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You're smoking the crystals that receive the pollen, people get rid of male plants to prevent the presence of pollen. Another advantage to removing males (besides growing seedless buds) is the buds will produce more crystals that will swell up fatter because the plant is trying it's hardest to get pollinated.



Female pollen is still pollen to me. If it came from any other plant you'd call it pollen. Give me one other name for it! People don't say, "I have a bag of weed crystal"
Check. mate. :lol:

Edit: We are just arguing semantics here.
I digress.
Shake is more potent than bud per weight and thus worth more to me. 
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    #19224953 - 12/03/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Honestly I've never heard of pot pollen, but have noticed and heard others say wow look at the crystals on that one.  I don't know a whole shit lot about pot though.


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    #19224960 - 12/03/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know where you're getting your info but females do not produce pollen. And "crystal" is a very commonly used term in the cannabis world, I have never heard anyone refer to kief as pollen.

Have you never had the talk about the birds and the bees maynard? :lol:


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    #19224975 - 12/03/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The first time I ever heard anyone use the term was is a head shot, and a kid was trying to sell me a grinder, but couldn't use the term kief.
I read a lot of people on reddit use the term before, but I've never heard it called 'crystal' before because that sounds too much like drugs.
I'm apologize for my faux pas, I should have used the word kief instead.


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    #19224987 - 12/03/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Crystals refer to the trichomes, I can't believe you've never heard of that.


We totally took this thread off topic.


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    #19224998 - 12/03/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would say it surely resembles pollen.  and i think it even makes me sneeze, but would have to agree it is likely a crystalization containing the majority of THC in pot.  I don't see why pollen cannot be a code word for that stuff, whatever it is....


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    #19225004 - 12/03/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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There is a persistent belief that the caps contain more psilocybin than the stems.  Many years ago when I was in high school it was pretty common for dealers to give "cap bags" to their regular customers.  The rest of the buyers got "stem bags".  I guess that still goes on, and perhaps that's the case here.

I guess some studies have been done too, proving a minor difference -

Do caps or stems contain more psilocybin?


This was what I referring to when I said he got ripped off, I implied that the 'weight' of either bag would still contain less of what you're looking for (less active material). If the rumor is inconclusive then I'll just shut up and leave.:rasta:

:wouldyoulookatthat:

On the topic of cannabis, THC crystals are trichomes, secreted from the resin glands of the plant, with many purposes for the cannabis plant (but none of them truly 'reproductive'). More like sap in a way.


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    #19225007 - 12/03/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

hahahah haven't seen that MJ meme  bwahaha!  I wish I'd known about that a long time ago.


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    #19225044 - 12/04/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If the rumor is inconclusive then I'll just shut up and leave.:rasta:




Rumors are always inconclusive, and testing 5 mushrooms is hardly hard science.
If that sample size was in the thousands and the selection of mushroom greater, I'd have an easier time believing it.
If you surveyed five people on anything you wouldn't proven much.

Please don't leave though. You're always welcome.


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    #19225051 - 12/04/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hahah, I didn't mean leave the Shroomery! That would be just plain crazy... I love it here! :awedance:


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    #19225079 - 12/04/13 12:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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On the topic of cannabis, THC crystals are trichomes, secreted from the resin glands of the plant, with many purposes for the cannabis plant (but none of them truly 'reproductive'). More like sap in a way.




You're right, I was thinking of pistils swelling up looking for pollen. Either way, the main point was pollen and kief are not the same.


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    #19225083 - 12/04/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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:shrug:

Looks to me like you got ripped off. Shrooms with no caps? That's like paying for bud and getting only stemmy, seedy shake!



no, its not, studies have shown that the tryptmaine alkaloid content of stems is only slightly lower than that of caps.


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    #19226112 - 12/04/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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:shrug:

Looks to me like you got ripped off. Shrooms with no caps? That's like paying for bud and getting only stemmy, seedy shake!



no, its not, studies have shown that the tryptmaine alkaloid content of stems is only slightly lower than that of caps.


Thanks for clarifying, Joust. I have misgivings about not being able to identify what I'm paying for. Do you have figures for comparison of the alkaloid content?


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:shrug:

Looks to me like you got ripped off. Shrooms with no caps? That's like paying for bud and getting only stemmy, seedy shake!



no, its not, studies have shown that the tryptmaine alkaloid content of stems is only slightly lower than that of caps.


Thanks for clarifying, Joust. I have misgivings about not being able to identify what I'm paying for. Do you have figures for comparison of the alkaloid content?



I do, but i dont wish to share it at this time, it is inaccurate and should be completely redone with fresh samples. But i have no one to test for me.


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: Joust]
    #19226664 - 12/04/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Looks to me like you got ripped off. Shrooms with no caps? That's like paying for bud and getting only stemmy, seedy shake!



no, its not, studies have shown that the tryptmaine alkaloid content of stems is only slightly lower than that of caps.


Thanks for clarifying, Joust. I have misgivings about not being able to identify what I'm paying for. Do you have figures for comparison of the alkaloid content?



I do, but i dont wish to share it at this time, it is inaccurate and should be completely redone with fresh samples. But i have no one to test for me.



Sooooo, what both you guys are saying is that the evidence to support your claims are ambiguous at best, and you can extrapolate nothing from either study. Way to go!  :waitingpatiently:  :ifindthisboring:


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    #19226675 - 12/04/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hmm?  not really, im saying i dont want to release this data as a whole becuase its not even close to being finished. Its taken account for every published alkaloidal test, but still is stupid because the way they test these mushrooms should be completely revisited, AND I WANT IN ON THE FREAKING STUDY!


So yeah, ambiguous and it


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Re: Please help me identify.... is that mold I see? Help much appreciated :) [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19226714 - 12/04/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Sooooo, what both you guys are saying is that the evidence to support your claims are ambiguous at best, and you can extrapolate nothing from either study. Way to go!  :waitingpatiently:  :ifindthisboring:




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    #19226761 - 12/04/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Isn't that the whole point of doing studies such as these... to draw a conclusion based on the data you collect, so you can prove or disprove a hypothesis ie. "caps are more or less potent than stems"?  :havesomescience:


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    #19226816 - 12/04/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Isn't that the whole point of doing studies such as these... to draw a conclusion based on the data you collect so you can prove or disprove a hypothesis "caps are more or less potent than stems"?  :havesomescience:



yup. well the study that was done wasnt bad. In recently dried cultivated samples of Ps. cubensis, the stems showed a little more potency on average than the stems. The little more could be negligible, more testing needs to be done. but they used their own cultivated ps. cubensis.


The Alkaloidal concentrations list that ive been working on is not very good because it uses older and newer dried samples in differently tested ways across the world over a period of (well a long time i dont want to look it up right now.).

Look at Psilocybe baeocystis

According to many sources this mushroom has a high number of baeocystin as well as the other alkaloids that oxidize. After you dry, many of these alkaloids are oxidized at different rates because of the different stabilities of the different tryptamine alkaloids.

So we have a very bad example dreid alkaloidal content.


We need to be testing specimens which are fresh, and no more than an hour ( or a few hours) old. Which makes this study suck becuase i dont know anyone around here who feels like testing for me, ive offered money, partnership, all my specimens.. think of the 16 different species we could have tested this fall. but because no one want to work with a noob, no one has been working with me but Alan, and he focuses on psilocybin species of the mexican nature, so thats what i ask him about.


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