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InvisibleIcelander
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: pretzelking]
    #19216200 - 12/02/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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pretzelking said:
Just because something isn't a necessity doesn't mean we should ban it. Like it or not trans fats metabolize in our bodies into little ole calories and give us energy. It may be hard for our bodies to digest said fats because of the bent tail of the organic molecule "trans" fat. It doesn't mean its a toxin however.





Seems to be some evidence that it is harmful over time. However I'm a believer in a govt that educates rather than stipulates.  Give people honest information and let them make up their own minds.  So what then if most go down a hard road. That's their business. :monkeydance:

but,

don't make me pay for it with higher insurance rates. Let people bear the full price of their choices.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Icelander]
    #19217730 - 12/02/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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pretzelking said:
Just because something isn't a necessity doesn't mean we should ban it. Like it or not trans fats metabolize in our bodies into little ole calories and give us energy. It may be hard for our bodies to digest said fats because of the bent tail of the organic molecule "trans" fat. It doesn't mean its a toxin however.





Seems to be some evidence that it is harmful over time. However I'm a believer in a govt that educates rather than stipulates.  Give people honest information and let them make up their own minds.  So what then if most go down a hard road. That's their business. :monkeydance:

but,

don't make me pay for it with higher insurance rates. Let people bear the full price of their choices.








you seem to be a lot more reasonable then some of the other people





really the only thing this ban does is prevent it from being sold as a food product  you are allowed to eat it and do whatever you want its just companies can't really sell it as food because its toxic and isn't even under the definition of food



now if they were completely banning it that would be a different story.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19217832 - 12/02/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no noe is claiming it is a food or that it is being sold as a food :face palm: its a FOOD ADDITIVE. just like citric acid or baking soda


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19219174 - 12/02/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

food food additive regardless its being sold for human consumption




and again technically before it was found to be toxic it was considered food


toxic= shouldn't be in food


when it is IN food it makes that food technically toxic so food products containing this toxin should not be sold as food products.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19219646 - 12/02/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19219803 - 12/02/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

People aren't unknowingly drinking gallons of water :smirk:.  Nice try at a false equivalency though.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19219955 - 12/02/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the point was that amount is everything. Trans fats ARE consumed every day in safe amounts. Thats been shown over and over again in this thread. And really? Nice jerry picking with the 'false equivalency' argument. I'm not the one comparing trans fats and lead.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19221015 - 12/03/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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lonelyjew said:
What about the people who can't afford anything else?





What will they buy if trans fats are banned?


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19222864 - 12/03/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
the point was that amount is everything. Trans fats ARE consumed every day in safe amounts. Thats been shown over and over again in this thread. And really? Nice jerry picking with the 'false equivalency' argument. I'm not the one comparing trans fats and lead.




Amount is everything, correct, so when you're told there is "no trans fat" as food labels are saying, when in reality there could be just under .5g per serving, you don't know how much you're consuming. 

If private companies would have taken it on themselves not to be dishonest with their customers, this regulation wouldn't exist.  Instead of being honest about the amount of trans fat, they decided to use a loophole in the labeling requirements to trick people.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19222879 - 12/03/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i already agreed labeling loopholes should be closed. I agree completely with labeling, GMO's should be labeled as well. We are in 100% agreement on that. What i do not agree with is banning trans fats. Tighten labeling requirements and let individuals choose what they want to eat.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19222991 - 12/03/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

lets ban water in foods!







everything is toxic in high amounts




trans fats are toxic in any amount.
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psyconaught said:
the point was that amount is everything. Trans fats ARE consumed every day in safe amounts. Thats been shown over and over again in this thread. And really? Nice jerry picking with the 'false equivalency' argument. I'm not the one comparing trans fats and lead.









the fda clearly said that the average is 1 gram and that that is a concern





this is about artificial trans fats which have been shown to be toxic the amount found in meats are not part of this


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