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The Ultimate surrender.
    #19217382 - 12/02/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What is it?


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19217385 - 12/02/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Death?


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: teknix]
    #19217397 - 12/02/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm asking you?  What would it be for you?


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19217405 - 12/02/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why are you asking?

I don't know about ultimate, but death seems to be the closet to fathomable one, what about you?


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: teknix] * 2
    #19217419 - 12/02/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Surrender to what, or who .... ?


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: teknix]
    #19217429 - 12/02/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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teknix said:
Why are you asking?

I don't know about ultimate, but death seems to be the closet to fathomable one, what about you?





I'm asking to find out if there are better answers than I have or ones I haven't thought of.

I of course think it's death of the personality structure/physical body.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19217436 - 12/02/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Or you're baiting someone to say "God".

:tongue:


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19217447 - 12/02/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Surrender to another might be scopolamine, (in their proximety)? Removing ones free will..

Surrender to the spirits might be a deleriant maybe? Or dmt? I havent tried this myself though, so I do not know..

Surrender to fate might be to drop all fear, and do risky things.. like climbing mount. Everest or something, without safety ect...


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: teknix]
    #19217483 - 12/02/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Or you're baiting someone to say "God".

:tongue:





No I'm not bateing.  Serious query.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #19217571 - 12/02/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

surrender absolutely all of your cash to me and you will know what ultimate surrender is


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #19217687 - 12/02/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You couldn't handle that kind of power. :nono:


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19217696 - 12/02/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

it is the most horrifying thing ..

like being forced to give yourself to what hates you the most, as only that cant be sharing any base with you to let you be alone at a point

and only the most disgusting one would ask others to give themselves

in truth it is impossible, any is alone, objectively that is always how reality exist, any is individually only, while there is a relative way objectively through life, common positive wills, and subjectively through true present free superior realizations out of own self..

in truth we do not surrender to what is better or truly superior... we just stop being or meaning when all is objectively there
in truth, there is no wills.. existence is a fact that need a lot, for constancy of true free being realizations and realities

unfortunately, evil is much bigger then truth

that is how it can force true existence to its reverse.. it sounds absurd but it is happening

like true things cannot be seen anymore, they are forced to be through invisible suffer and infinite reactions ...


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19217839 - 12/02/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'd say it's to surrender to the finitude of life and that most of life is out of one's control. To surrender to the fact that life is pain and suffering, and that one'll get hurt in the future. I used to search for something that would "save me" from future pain, whether it be loss or extreme physical pain, but now I think surrendering to the fact that life is pain and that I WILL get hurt later on down the road is the ultimate surrender. Life's out of my control, so I'll try my best to be kind to myself and others. To have the courage to surrender to suffering. Much easier said than done though, I know I'm far from that myself.

It's like surrendering to the idea that humans are super fragile. And I think though that we can come to appreciate how fragile we are in this hostile existence, and accept that life has forces that are beyond our control. They aren't necessarily super natural forces (maybe there are) but they're things at play that humans may never understand.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19217896 - 12/02/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How about...
Ultimate surrender is to surrender to oneself ?!


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19217985 - 12/02/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What is it?




infinite regress


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #19217986 - 12/02/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

how about it is just some poetic thing a tripper has alluded to as part of his passage
anything to get laid
you know.
I don't recommend anything ultimate or absolute


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: r72rock]
    #19218134 - 12/02/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'd say it's to surrender to the finitude of life and that most of life is out of one's control. To surrender to the fact that life is pain and suffering, and that one'll get hurt in the future. I used to search for something that would "save me" from future pain, whether it be loss or extreme physical pain, but now I think surrendering to the fact that life is pain and that I WILL get hurt later on down the road is the ultimate surrender. Life's out of my control, so I'll try my best to be kind to myself and others. To have the courage to surrender to suffering. Much easier said than done though, I know I'm far from that myself.

It's like surrendering to the idea that humans are super fragile. And I think though that we can come to appreciate how fragile we are in this hostile existence, and accept that life has forces that are beyond our control. They aren't necessarily super natural forces (maybe there are) but they're things at play that humans may never understand.





Very  insightful post imo.  I seem to be at that pain and suffering point and it's not down the road anymore. I'm old, it's here. :jimmorrison:


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19218137 - 12/02/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What is it?




Having a kid, worse than death.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19218152 - 12/02/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I always felt that way myself.  Not just for me either.  Any kid with me for a father.... well lets just say they wouldn't deserve any of it.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19218184 - 12/02/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I always felt that way myself.  Not just for me either.  Any kid with me for a father.... well lets just say they wouldn't deserve any of it.




They'd get beat on occasion and wouldn't see any cartoons or be exposed to the whole "kiddy" culture, but overall I'd rather be raised by an asshole like myself than the average human.



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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19218258 - 12/02/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How are you so sure you're that different?


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19219213 - 12/02/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

[gradient:#DE096C,#9E8FF2]The Ultimate surrender Is sURRENDERING TO myself. tHE MIND CAN TAKE YOU PLACES you don't want to be. Surrendering to yourself of negitive thoughts and feelings. That's something hard to do.[/gradient] :strokebeard:  :mypleasure:


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19219278 - 12/02/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How are you so sure you're that different?




The context of being different than 'normal' people is not fitting into social norms or belonging to any culture/place. Many people have commented on my sanity

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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #19219324 - 12/02/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think you fit into many social norms. You post here don't you?

Personally and this includes myself, imo we are much more like each other than we are different.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19219378 - 12/02/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How are you so sure you're that different?



Good Question?? No one really knows what"?norm" is do they? Nope you may be or I may be. I think am out of the "NORM" bc of the fact I have a big loving heart and don't judge others for their wrongs. It's the "norm" to judge and what not.. :strokebeard:


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: amadahugnkiss]
    #19219450 - 12/02/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Is surrender the same as acceptance?


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #19219535 - 12/02/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yes


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #19220092 - 12/02/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think the ultimate surrender is breaking habit.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #19220318 - 12/03/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Did anyone mention not resisting the advances of Cuddles, your cellmate?



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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19220379 - 12/03/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

facing anything your afraid of or giving up anything you love...why are you asking? A life of service is the ultimate sacrifice imo.. to who or what is up to you.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: zoomfan]
    #19220491 - 12/03/13 02:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why is serving others a sacrifice?  I would think it was a privilege.  What are you sacrificing exactly? Aren't you doing it out of love?


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19220508 - 12/03/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

r72rock said:
I'd say it's to surrender to the finitude of life and that most of life is out of one's control. To surrender to the fact that life is pain and suffering, and that one'll get hurt in the future. I used to search for something that would "save me" from future pain, whether it be loss or extreme physical pain, but now I think surrendering to the fact that life is pain and that I WILL get hurt later on down the road is the ultimate surrender. Life's out of my control, so I'll try my best to be kind to myself and others. To have the courage to surrender to suffering. Much easier said than done though, I know I'm far from that myself.

It's like surrendering to the idea that humans are super fragile. And I think though that we can come to appreciate how fragile we are in this hostile existence, and accept that life has forces that are beyond our control. They aren't necessarily super natural forces (maybe there are) but they're things at play that humans may never understand.





Very  insightful post imo.  I seem to be at that pain and suffering point and it's not down the road anymore. I'm old, it's here. :jimmorrison:



your not that old.  :awesome:


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: hTx]
    #19220511 - 12/03/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

surrender, surrender, but dont give yourself awaaay


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: hTx]
    #19220521 - 12/03/13 02:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

hTx said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
Quote:

r72rock said:
I'd say it's to surrender to the finitude of life and that most of life is out of one's control. To surrender to the fact that life is pain and suffering, and that one'll get hurt in the future. I used to search for something that would "save me" from future pain, whether it be loss or extreme physical pain, but now I think surrendering to the fact that life is pain and that I WILL get hurt later on down the road is the ultimate surrender. Life's out of my control, so I'll try my best to be kind to myself and others. To have the courage to surrender to suffering. Much easier said than done though, I know I'm far from that myself.

It's like surrendering to the idea that humans are super fragile. And I think though that we can come to appreciate how fragile we are in this hostile existence, and accept that life has forces that are beyond our control. They aren't necessarily super natural forces (maybe there are) but they're things at play that humans may never understand.





Very  insightful post imo.  I seem to be at that pain and suffering point and it's not down the road anymore. I'm old, it's here. :jimmorrison:



your not that old.  :awesome:





How would you know how it feels to be me?  How would you know the state of my physical health?


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19220534 - 12/03/13 02:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't, never said I did.

Was just trying to help jeeeez



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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: hTx]
    #19220735 - 12/03/13 05:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I see.  Well then send money. :lol:


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19220800 - 12/03/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

IMO the ultimate surrender is just accepting things for how they are. It is the hardest thing to do and there's fuck all left beyond that point.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: viktor]
    #19220905 - 12/03/13 07:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup:  I've had very limited luck and I try every day.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19220916 - 12/03/13 07:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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:thumbup:  I've had very limited luck and I try every day.



not so much in an effort to Change Luck - which is the essence of "magic",
but in an effort to change yourself in a meaningful way:
you can stop trying that.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19220928 - 12/03/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's what I'm saying. I keep trying to stop trying.  But you wouldn't know anything about that most likely.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19220998 - 12/03/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

what?


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19221025 - 12/03/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you cannot grasp the wind, you can only be it.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: hTx]
    #19221036 - 12/03/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

or rather, feel it. (;


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19221323 - 12/03/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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what?





Hey that's my line.:nono: :lol:


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19221420 - 12/03/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Did anyone mention not resisting the advances of Cuddles, your cellmate?



"C'mere wife!"




exactly ! the best figure there..and believe it is far more present that then true realities ... because it is truly relative only that one, I mean that different ones ... as one life, from infinite point of vue bringing them out as more present then conditions all .. because conditioners principally are wrong by meaning that what they know could bring anything to show .. even the reverse of truth only truth reveals it in truth TERMS


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: absols]
    #19221543 - 12/03/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The ultimate surrender is to be stagnant; indecisive; lazy.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: DrugsRGood]
    #19221553 - 12/03/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting perspective.  :nicesmile:


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    #19221586 - 12/03/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

or ultimate surrender is about the end .. when the conditioners will admit being inferiors to the being they conditioned .. so they would admit how truth is everything and any even out of worse limitations to

how there cant be a source but truth .. even if that means how a lot would be then never true .. and how they must surrender fast and have no choice, if the want to avoid the worse always more they cant predict nor expect, but a more certainty that they will never enjoy seeing anything anymore, while belonging forever to very limited ones as having to admit being the same forever more, which show the end of ultimate surrender means, in true living fact

I am not shit, but you up there the most involved in the beginning of existence fabrications.. are the shit end under shit ones freed

for everybody here reading this, joking lols..
what they did, is making a condition based on good ones must suffer and bad ones would be the condition life, so positive
then what is known being good should be rejected from life ... what is not known being any would be a bit between both
what is known being bad would always be living up conditions, as gods which fast will be free out abusing their powers on life conditions known, to become way worse freely

the idea is what conditions are meaning being the best conditions for truth to be

so by reversing the true order, it is the best way for freedom to be the reason of any reality

like what is true would have to rejecting all so showing being free, especially at the end, the division between good and bad would be clear

and who is known being good hundred percent from the start will be the most down out of conditions, resisting as it can all

this is what was meant as the starting point of true logics existence

but this is wrong ! from many many ways ... especially the most objective and obvious ways

this is how it is not at all what was expected nor meant

and they are here disabled totally from any move or sense, all... one

like you love to repeat, all one and one all you got it

and don't look at me nor at any other good ... we are nothing but farts on your face .. at the end we are equal superficially obviously, you are shit and we are not shit, you cant do a thing but we can fart on you
this is joking of course ... but it should start symbolically like that or in concept that I see
like because truth is always any and all, so who are good enjoy the presence of truth so they can fart on what don't enjoy it
and conditioners that enjoy meaning truth as being something to be.. will be the thing that bigger things will teach how to be something

conditioners ! stop daring thinking that you can do something about truth

when you cant act as being the same out of any truth you mean knowing, much more then if it was something present or a fact seen ... then you go to hell forced to be the same with one only fact end... and I don't think that truth mean by that for you to learn anything ..you know truth never look back

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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19221720 - 12/03/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Interesting perspective.  :nicesmile:




I should thank my own worthless and stagnant life for that. :yesnod:

Well at least I accept it now. :grin:

I don't want to hope that I'll change because I'm a perfectionist. With no hope, no despair, right?

But still, it is time.
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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: DrugsRGood]
    #19221844 - 12/03/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hope can be a killer in either direction.

My life has been pretty much a wash also.  The best thing one can do under such circumstances is surrender. :thumbup:


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19221878 - 12/03/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Surrendering? I suppose that is an option. It's a decision, that's a fact. Much better than to hope for something that isn't there or to demand unrealistic expectations from oneself.


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    #19221907 - 12/03/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Surrender, relax, let it go, give up the fight, etc.


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    #19221913 - 12/03/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"Do not try, do!"
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    #19221944 - 12/03/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So life is not a fight?

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    #19221989 - 12/03/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The path of the warrior is a fight. The path of the adventurer is a journey. The path of the abused is a living hell... ect..


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icyus]
    #19222024 - 12/03/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So life is what you make it to be.

I'm starting to think that life is an opportunity; a privilege. You are born on this earth in what seems like a random point in time but only once.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: DrugsRGood]
    #19222084 - 12/03/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Okay sorry for jacking this thread. I'll leave you all be. Apparently I've got to use some time for reflection.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: DrugsRGood]
    #19222133 - 12/03/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The "you" who is now, will only be born to this earth once, yet a second later, the "you" has changed..

Even though each day might be a living hell of what seems to be eternal damnation or an everlasting, ever increasing bliss, it is still a priveliege, and it is the "you" who decides if it is hell or heaven... our many forms of culture, and norms have however set it that some things must be bad, while others good.. but one does not have to be controlled either..


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icyus]
    #19222273 - 12/03/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I for one, pride myself with a freedom which many people do not have. This ability to live by my own morals and values (and mine alone) is something I have taken for granted...

I like to live an adventurous life but I've been clinging on to false hope for so many years.

And anticipation is what fuels this adventurous life, is what I'm realizing at this moment.

There is no destination to arrive to. There is just a road and a feeling of anticipation for what is next.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19222434 - 12/03/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Surrender, relax, let it go, give up the fight, etc.




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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19222528 - 12/03/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Think of this aspect; you have no idea what is to happen with the next step you take, but still the step might be exciting in itself...


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    #19223542 - 12/03/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes this is the most sought after feeling of adventurers... the anticipation that comes with taking each step.

I think...


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: DrugsRGood]
    #19225693 - 12/04/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think the ultimate surrender is giving in to the moment.  The catch is that the moment can suck, but you aren't thinking it sucks you're experiencing it sucking.  I believe it is a self trust issue.  To let everything go all your worries and anything that takes you away from the moment.  Whether you have trust in that if something is genuinely important that it will come to you naturally rather than having to force it.  Seriously if you let yourself totally go do you have the trust in yourself that you'll "get there".  So I think self trust is the ultimate surrender.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: jackSpearows]
    #19225703 - 12/04/13 08:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think your first sentence is the correct one.  If one can do that imo you are truly as free as you can ever be.


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    #19225762 - 12/04/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i believe it's actually the name of a sex show for girl on girl wrestling :undecided:


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19225824 - 12/04/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think your first sentence is the correct one.  If one can do that imo you are truly as free as you can ever be.



Yeah, the thing then is finding ways to experience what it is that is being said.  Cuz if you aren't then there's no point in saying it you know ?


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    #19225901 - 12/04/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

true and I can only experience it in drips and drabs at best. Mostly I'm stuck in lifelong mindset patterns that are hardly useful when it comes to being happy or content.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19226208 - 12/04/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ultimate surrender is giving up all ego struggle (for it's goals, dominance, permanence etc.) IME, that shit beats H any day, but as we all know it's nigh on impossible.


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Ultimate surrender is giving up all ego struggle (for it's goals, dominance, permanence etc.) IME, that shit beats H any day, but as we all know it's nigh on impossible.



imo you gotta give in to the game though.  Thats the surrender.  Part of the game is having goals, struggle, obstacles.  I don't think its fair to us to say that giving up that is ultimate surrender because it is out of our power.


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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
    #19226698 - 12/04/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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true and I can only experience it in drips and drabs at best. Mostly I'm stuck in lifelong mindset patterns that are hardly useful when it comes to being happy or content.



Do you have other values that are more important than happiness or contentness ? If you do then maybe there's a good reason.


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Ultimate surrender is giving up all ego struggle (for it's goals, dominance, permanence etc.) IME, that shit beats H any day, but as we all know it's nigh on impossible.



imo you gotta give in to the game though.  Thats the surrender.  Part of the game is having goals, struggle, obstacles.  I don't think its fair to us to say that giving up that is ultimate surrender because it is out of our power.




That's one kind of surrender I suppose. Not really what I was talking about but if you can get it to work for you then it's good.


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Ultimate surrender is giving up all ego struggle (for it's goals, dominance, permanence etc.) IME, that shit beats H any day, but as we all know it's nigh on impossible.



imo you gotta give in to the game though.  Thats the surrender.  Part of the game is having goals, struggle, obstacles.  I don't think its fair to us to say that giving up that is ultimate surrender because it is out of our power.




That's one kind of surrender I suppose. Not really what I was talking about but if you can get it to work for you then it's good.




So are you saying that death or not-life is the ultimate surrender ? To be human is to struggle and to end that is the surrender.  btw what do you mean by "H" ?


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    #19226899 - 12/04/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Heroin. By surrender I mean giving up on long term fantasy goals and so on, seeing that life is exactly as it is and nothing will change that. That's how most animals live IMO, but not humans. I get your definition too btw and it makes sense to live like that if you are able to believe in all that bullshit that the human brains pumps around all day.


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true and I can only experience it in drips and drabs at best. Mostly I'm stuck in lifelong mindset patterns that are hardly useful when it comes to being happy or content.



Do you have other values that are more important than happiness or contentness ? If you do then maybe there's a good reason.




Nothing seems more important than being truly happy.


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Heroin. By surrender I mean giving up on long term fantasy goals and so on, seeing that life is exactly as it is and nothing will change that. That's how most animals live IMO, but not humans. I get your definition too btw and it makes sense to live like that if you are able to believe in all that bullshit that the human brains pumps around all day.




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    #19234720 - 12/06/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The biggest surrender for me would have to be succumbing and becoming addicted to a hard drug. A lot of my friends are really trying to get me to do some particularly hard drugs and I have a addictive bloodline.. >.>

(Mom,Dad,Grandpa,Grandma,All of my uncles on my moms side and all of my aunts on my moms side.)

My grandparents on my dads side are the only people I'm directly related to that haven't been addicted to a drug. (But my grandmas dad was a huge junky)


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Heroin. By surrender I mean giving up on long term fantasy goals and so on, seeing that life is exactly as it is and nothing will change that. That's how most animals live IMO, but not humans. I get your definition too btw and it makes sense to live like that if you are able to believe in all that bullshit that the human brains pumps around all day.




what will happen if you stop taking care of yourself and of what is happening to you from others ?? I mean it is too obvious the religious you are, that is meaning to use anything for crap justifications ..

individuals are not some decisions makings ... human beings are the constant of being .. the more the constant is clear the more it is about being on its simplest form

while your means are the only clarity in what you are saying, defending evil by denying that individuals never matter, we are relative facts so we don't matter at all, that is how even the best ones of us can be forced to worse ends as if they are always wrong, and never been right

what you mean, is to protect evil knowledge from being mentioned, so you blame individuals that never matter in anyways

it is the force that one do on others that matter negatively.. on what it kills others right existence for powers existence gains ... which kills true existence fact.. one day, there wont be possible to violate else rights of being real and existing freely .. then it would become clear how existence is really perfect in truth, so in freedom ways


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    #19235196 - 12/06/13 05:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What is it?




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