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 Icelander
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How are you so sure you're that different?
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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 Re: The Ultimate surrender.  [Re: Icelander]
#19219213 - 12/02/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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[gradient:#DE096C,#9E8FF2]The Ultimate surrender Is sURRENDERING TO myself. tHE MIND CAN TAKE YOU PLACES you don't want to be. Surrendering to yourself of negitive thoughts and feelings. That's something hard to do.[/gradient]  
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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
#19219278 - 12/02/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
How are you so sure you're that different?
The context of being different than 'normal' people is not fitting into social norms or belonging to any culture/place. Many people have commented on my sanity
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Icelander
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I think you fit into many social norms. You post here don't you?
Personally and this includes myself, imo we are much more like each other than we are different.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
#19219378 - 12/02/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
How are you so sure you're that different?
Good Question?? No one really knows what"?norm" is do they? Nope you may be or I may be. I think am out of the "NORM" bc of the fact I have a big loving heart and don't judge others for their wrongs. It's the "norm" to judge and what not..
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Is surrender the same as acceptance?
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Icelander
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yes
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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#19220092 - 12/02/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the ultimate surrender is breaking habit.
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#19220318 - 12/03/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Did anyone mention not resisting the advances of Cuddles, your cellmate?
"C'mere wife!"
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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
#19220379 - 12/03/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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facing anything your afraid of or giving up anything you love...why are you asking? A life of service is the ultimate sacrifice imo.. to who or what is up to you.
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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: zoomfan]
#19220491 - 12/03/13 02:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why is serving others a sacrifice? I would think it was a privilege. What are you sacrificing exactly? Aren't you doing it out of love?
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
#19220508 - 12/03/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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r72rock said:
I'd say it's to surrender to the finitude of life and that most of life is out of one's control. To surrender to the fact that life is pain and suffering, and that one'll get hurt in the future. I used to search for something that would "save me" from future pain, whether it be loss or extreme physical pain, but now I think surrendering to the fact that life is pain and that I WILL get hurt later on down the road is the ultimate surrender. Life's out of my control, so I'll try my best to be kind to myself and others. To have the courage to surrender to suffering. Much easier said than done though, I know I'm far from that myself.
It's like surrendering to the idea that humans are super fragile. And I think though that we can come to appreciate how fragile we are in this hostile existence, and accept that life has forces that are beyond our control. They aren't necessarily super natural forces (maybe there are) but they're things at play that humans may never understand.
Very insightful post imo. I seem to be at that pain and suffering point and it's not down the road anymore. I'm old, it's here. 
your not that old. 
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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: hTx]
#19220511 - 12/03/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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surrender, surrender, but dont give yourself awaaay
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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: hTx]
#19220521 - 12/03/13 02:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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hTx said:
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Icelander said:
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r72rock said:
I'd say it's to surrender to the finitude of life and that most of life is out of one's control. To surrender to the fact that life is pain and suffering, and that one'll get hurt in the future. I used to search for something that would "save me" from future pain, whether it be loss or extreme physical pain, but now I think surrendering to the fact that life is pain and that I WILL get hurt later on down the road is the ultimate surrender. Life's out of my control, so I'll try my best to be kind to myself and others. To have the courage to surrender to suffering. Much easier said than done though, I know I'm far from that myself.
It's like surrendering to the idea that humans are super fragile. And I think though that we can come to appreciate how fragile we are in this hostile existence, and accept that life has forces that are beyond our control. They aren't necessarily super natural forces (maybe there are) but they're things at play that humans may never understand.
Very insightful post imo. I seem to be at that pain and suffering point and it's not down the road anymore. I'm old, it's here.
your not that old.
How would you know how it feels to be me? How would you know the state of my physical health?
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
#19220534 - 12/03/13 02:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wouldn't, never said I did.
Was just trying to help jeeeez
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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: hTx]
#19220735 - 12/03/13 05:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I see. Well then send money. 
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
#19220800 - 12/03/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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IMO the ultimate surrender is just accepting things for how they are. It is the hardest thing to do and there's fuck all left beyond that point.
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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: viktor]
#19220905 - 12/03/13 07:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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 I've had very limited luck and I try every day.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: The Ultimate surrender. [Re: Icelander]
#19220916 - 12/03/13 07:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
I've had very limited luck and I try every day.
not so much in an effort to Change Luck - which is the essence of "magic",
but in an effort to change yourself in a meaningful way:
you can stop trying that.
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Icelander
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That's what I'm saying. I keep trying to stop trying. But you wouldn't know anything about that most likely.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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