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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19216869 - 12/02/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Me for one. Mine and many other grower's experiments have shown that more growth occurs during the dark cycle.  My original time-lapse photos were so screwed by the dark period that the mushrooms appeared to jump in the first picture after lights on.  Later, I put my light on a cycle timer so it would come on for 20 seconds for each picture.  That cured the jerky pictures but slowed down total growth.

Mushrooms do not grow well with low level or no light.  The do 'grow' but are light in weight, skinny with long stems and very tiny caps.  Potency in psilocybin mushrooms is notably lower when insufficient light is used.





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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: MarcusFreeman]
    #19216887 - 12/02/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I found a mushroom that was about 1/4 mile back in a cave (absolutely no light). It was about 10" tall with a 8" cap and a thick stipe. Needless to say, it was pure white. I still don't know what to think of it.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: dusttodust]
    #19216984 - 12/02/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Frank, purely as an academic question.  If mushrooms do not photosynthesize, then by what means do they benefit from light?

I think this concept is difficult to understand.  It is one more example of how mycelium has more in common with the human condition than a plant's. 

We synthesize vitamin D through a process in the skin during adequate sun exposure.  So specifically, what does mycelium synthesize from exposure to light that it can't get from substrate alone?

That would be great information to add to the mushroom info page.



Recreational mycology is based on experience and not on academic facts. If we put mushrooms in total darkness they look horrible and defected. Use search bar and you will see.
Dont try to explain everything with theory because most of us lack proper education in theory and the theroy itself is far from being simple, or else everyone would be professional mycologist very fast.

EDIT: Did you just say fungi have more in common with human than plants? Fungi's biological build is way more simple than plants and plants biological build is way more simple than humans. And its very hard to compare human to fungi, lol. Those are totally diffrent things...
And who says mycelium even need light for synthesis of some molecule? What if the light is needed for other purposes? I wouldnt make any assumptions like this. You cant take characteristics of plants and put them to fungi.




So are you saying we shouldn't try to understand how fungi benefit from light?  We should just completely ignore trying to understand the biological process and content ourselves with personal experience seeking no further understanding of our hobby?  I'm not arguing that mushrooms don't benefit from a light cycle, I was only asking by what mechanism that benefit comes from.

Mushrooms 'breath' oxygen. Humans breath oxygen. Plants 'breath' Carbon Dioxide.  Mushrooms do not photosynthesize but instead use  light in a more similar way to a humans skin as RR just said 'They use light in a different way, just as us humans do.'

You're right, mushrooms don't write poetry and neither do plants.  But on a seriously deep biological level they share more traits with humans than plants share with humans.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19217084 - 12/02/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I can't remember the source, but I've read that mushrooms and fungi are genetically closer to animals than plants.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: bootster]
    #19217188 - 12/02/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I grew out a few tubs in a spare room that only received ambient light threw the cracks in the drapes and they clearly grew toward the window. They were also all very big mutant like flushes. Light seems to give me more uniform healthy growth.

And its a pinning trigger as I understand, so im assuming the myc uses light or somehow benefits from it.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19217226 - 12/02/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So are you saying we shouldn't try to understand how fungi benefit from light?  We should just completely ignore trying to understand the biological process and content ourselves with personal experience seeking no further understanding of our hobby?  I'm not arguing that mushrooms don't benefit from a light cycle, I was only asking by what mechanism that benefit comes from.

Mushrooms 'breath' oxygen. Humans breath oxygen. Plants 'breath' Carbon Dioxide.  Mushrooms do not photosynthesize but instead use  light in a more similar way to a humans skin as RR just said 'They use light in a different way, just as us humans do.'

You're right, mushrooms don't write poetry and neither do plants.  But on a seriously deep biological level they share more traits with humans than plants share with humans.




I am not saying that, knowledge is important. But the important part here is that they need light and benefit from it. Unless you have some biological education, than its useless to ask those questions. But many pople (mostly beginners) try to get explanation for everything in mycology. IMO theory is complex and simple explanation you seek is hard to give.

Only animals "breath" oxygene. Plant require oxygene for cellular respiration and so do fungi. You are mixing things here and generalizing too much. Thats why im trying to say you cant get simple answer about light and molecular processes. CO2 is required for photosynthesis AND NO BREATHING if i remember correctly, O2 is by-product.

Call it what you want but fungi are way more simple organisms than plants and even if you can find similarities between animal and fungi kingdom, you are still comparing 2 totally diffrent things without much in common.

That being said, for purposes of recreational mycology, experience and empiricism is far more important than generalized ideas about theory.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: dusttodust]
    #19218133 - 12/02/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So are you saying we shouldn't try to understand how fungi benefit from light?  We should just completely ignore trying to understand the biological process and content ourselves with personal experience seeking no further understanding of our hobby?  I'm not arguing that mushrooms don't benefit from a light cycle, I was only asking by what mechanism that benefit comes from.

Mushrooms 'breath' oxygen. Humans breath oxygen. Plants 'breath' Carbon Dioxide.  Mushrooms do not photosynthesize but instead use  light in a more similar way to a humans skin as RR just said 'They use light in a different way, just as us humans do.'

You're right, mushrooms don't write poetry and neither do plants.  But on a seriously deep biological level they share more traits with humans than plants share with humans.




I am not saying that, knowledge is important. But the important part here is that they need light and benefit from it. Unless you have some biological education, than its useless to ask those questions. But many pople (mostly beginners) try to get explanation for everything in mycology. IMO theory is complex and simple explanation you seek is hard to give.

Only animals "breath" oxygene. Plant require oxygene for cellular respiration and so do fungi. You are mixing things here and generalizing too much. Thats why im trying to say you cant get simple answer about light and molecular processes. CO2 is required for photosynthesis AND NO BREATHING if i remember correctly, O2 is by-product.

Call it what you want but fungi are way more simple organisms than plants and even if you can find similarities between animal and fungi kingdom, you are still comparing 2 totally diffrent things without much in common.

That being said, for purposes of recreational mycology, experience and empiricism is far more important than generalized ideas about theory.




Regardless of someone's experience it's never wrong to ask a question.  Recreational mycoologists will see the empirical evidence of light and they will use the experiences of others to their advantage WITH OR WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE THEORY.

And we're not even talking about something 'theoretical' we're talking about a known mechanism that allows mushrooms to make use of adequate light.

Yes, plants and mushrooms don't 'breath.' That's why I put 'breath' in quotes.  It's just a placeholder word. Thanks for clearing that up for everyone.

No one is making you read my question.  I asked frankhorrigan a question that I thought he might know the answer to.  Not you.  Just because you don't want to bother with trying to understand a complex biological process doesn't preclude my right to ask a question. 

Jesus man, I never said experience and empiricism wasn't important, all I asked was a question about why the empiricism gives the results that it does.  Nothing I said here contradicted any empirical evidence or anyone's experience.  All I was looking for was an answer and your response is to tell someone that they shouldn't be asking those questions?

I quote you "Dont try to explain everything with theory because most of us lack proper education in theory and the theroy itself is far from being simple, or else everyone would be professional mycologist very fast."

So just because you're incapable of understanding a biological process means I shouldn't be asking questions about it?

Even if YOU don't understand it why would you think I wouldn't?  Why would you think other people wouldn't want to know or wouldn't be able to understand.  You don't even know what the theory is anyway so how can you even judge how complex or otherwise it is?

Justify your response however you want, you're straight up preaching ignorance over understanding. "Shut up and follow other people's experience and empirical evidence and don't bother even understanding why the evidence is the way it is." "Don't ask questions about the theory because we're too stupid to understand it" it's like a fucking priest telling his congregation not to seek a deeper understanding of their faith and just 'do it because the bible tells you to.'


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: MarcusFreeman]
    #19218181 - 12/02/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How dependent are mushrooms to light? The reason I ask is because I have worked with coral(animals with symbiotic relationships to algae) and have found that 6 on 6  off 6 on 6 off increased  growth.

The zooxanthelle in coral needs a photo period of about 3 hours. That is the amount of time it takes for the algae to go through a photo cycle and produce enough energy for the coral to go into "grow"  mode(at night).

I wanted  to see what result would come from  shortening the light and dark cycles, and how it would impact growth...

Has anyone ever tried this for mushrooms?




That's pretty interesting?  So, you had 12 hours of light/per 24 hours; just broken up into 6 hour blocks, with dark periods in between?

Are you using metal halides?




I did it with leds, halides and t5.

After I figured it out, I never went back. I have written a few 'articles' about it on my local reef forums.

Some corals do take time to adjust. I mainly targeted the growth of stoney corals.

Lighting was one of my fascinations. I still don't think LEDs are right for sps.




Cool - I've had a few nice reef tanks, but none at the moment; and have used either CFL's or HQI halides. 

I agree with LED's not making the cut - though I've never used them to grow or propagate coral; I'm not impressed with their ability to grow plants (at least the first generation LED's)


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19218340 - 12/02/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Regardless of someone's experience it's never wrong to ask a question.  Recreational mycoologists will see the empirical evidence of light and they will use the experiences of others to their advantage WITH OR WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE THEORY.

And we're not even talking about something 'theoretical' we're talking about a known mechanism that allows mushrooms to make use of adequate light.

Yes, plants and mushrooms don't 'breath.' That's why I put 'breath' in quotes.  It's just a placeholder word. Thanks for clearing that up for everyone.

No one is making you read my question.  I asked frankhorrigan a question that I thought he might know the answer to.  Not you.  Just because you don't want to bother with trying to understand a complex biological process doesn't preclude my right to ask a question. 

Jesus man, I never said experience and empiricism wasn't important, all I asked was a question about why the empiricism gives the results that it does.  Nothing I said here contradicted any empirical evidence or anyone's experience.  All I was looking for was an answer and your response is to tell someone that they shouldn't be asking those questions?

I quote you "Dont try to explain everything with theory because most of us lack proper education in theory and the theroy itself is far from being simple, or else everyone would be professional mycologist very fast."

So just because you're incapable of understanding a biological process means I shouldn't be asking questions about it?

Even if YOU don't understand it why would you think I wouldn't?  Why would you think other people wouldn't want to know or wouldn't be able to understand.  You don't even know what the theory is anyway so how can you even judge how complex or otherwise it is?

Justify your response however you want, you're straight up preaching ignorance over understanding. "Shut up and follow other people's experience and empirical evidence and don't bother even understanding why the evidence is the way it is." "Don't ask questions about the theory because we're too stupid to understand it" it's like a fucking priest telling his congregation not to seek a deeper understanding of their faith and just 'do it because the bible tells you to.'




1. Try not to twist my words and try not get buthurt so quick.
2. Try not to talk about me and than make arguments from this, because, well, you dont know me..
3. Try not to be offensive?
4. I think its pointless to argue here, im just here to share and learn.

I never said you shouldnt ask this question, i feel sorry if you understood me this way. If you think i did say that, quote it for me, will ya?

"Dont try to explain everything with theory because most of us lack proper education in theory and the theroy itself is far from being simple, or else everyone would be professional mycologist very fast."

Shut up and follow other people's experience and empirical evidence and don't bother even understanding why the evidence is the way it is.

As i said in my 1. point, you are either twisting my words or you misinterpreted my content of post.

I replied to you because i think that to many beginners try to apply their unsufficient biological knowledge in recreational mycology and that theory and experience get mixed too many times.

I also replied to you because i think that most of people here cant give you scientifical fact how exactly light impact the growth of mushroom. Well, thats my personal opinion and you can prove me wrong, im here to learn and correct my misbeliefs.

May i ask, i hope you dont get offended, what else is  mechanism that allows mushrooms to make use of adequate light than theory? Enlighten me please.

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Just because you don't want to bother with trying to understand a complex biological process doesn't preclude my right to ask a question.
So just because you're incapable of understanding a biological process means I shouldn't be asking questions about it?

Even if YOU don't understand it why would you think I wouldn't?
You don't even know what the theory is anyway so how can you even judge how complex or otherwise it is?





read 1. 2. 3. from the top of my reply please.

and one last article for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Im done with this now, take it as you will, i dont want to spamm op's thread any more.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: mycomattie]
    #19218396 - 12/02/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How dependent are mushrooms to light? The reason I ask is because I have worked with coral(animals with symbiotic relationships to algae) and have found that 6 on 6  off 6 on 6 off increased  growth.

The zooxanthelle in coral needs a photo period of about 3 hours. That is the amount of time it takes for the algae to go through a photo cycle and produce enough energy for the coral to go into "grow"  mode(at night).

I wanted  to see what result would come from  shortening the light and dark cycles, and how it would impact growth...

Has anyone ever tried this for mushrooms?




That's pretty interesting?  So, you had 12 hours of light/per 24 hours; just broken up into 6 hour blocks, with dark periods in between?

Are you using metal halides?




I did it with leds, halides and t5.

After I figured it out, I never went back. I have written a few 'articles' about it on my local reef forums.

Some corals do take time to adjust. I mainly targeted the growth of stoney corals.

Lighting was one of my fascinations. I still don't think LEDs are right for sps.




Cool - I've had a few nice reef tanks, but none at the moment; and have used either CFL's or HQI halides. 

I agree with LED's not making the cut - though I've never used them to grow or propagate coral; I'm not impressed with their ability to grow plants (at least the first generation LED's)




I feel that the one thing that seperates LEDs from the other popular light sources is the fact that they lack the UV spectrum. UV, vitamin D synthesis, and calcification are all relevant, IMO.

I theorise that lack of UV from LED light inhibits the natural vitamin d synthesis. Because vitamin d plays a huge role in calcium intake, vitamin d must be supplemented via diet.

Most people don't feed thier animals like they would be fed in the ocean. In the home aquarium, we primarily rely on light as the main food source. But, when the main food source lacks an important ingredient, supplement is completely nessecary.



I too, would love to learn more about the relationship that mushrooms have with light, and how various lighting schedules or spectrums will effect a grow.

I'm in the process of prepping 5 RGS jars to try my 6/6/6/6 cycle. We'll see....


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: MarcusFreeman]
    #19218797 - 12/02/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Any idea why it makes a difference in corel, and has anyone else confirmed the results or are you the only person to try it so far? Also have you gotten consistently reproducable results or was it just one expirament? It'd be cool if this applies to mushrooms too and simply changing the light cycle would show benefit, and I think a lot of us would love to know what role light actually plays in the life cycle of our sacred fungi too, but from what I can find out while we know it's beneficial, there's currently not much understanding as to why. Good thread :thumbup:


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: dusttodust]
    #19219376 - 12/02/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i feel sorry if you understood me this way.




I accept your apology wholeheartedly. 

I'm glad you're done derailing the ops thread considering my original question was actually pertinent to the topic at hand even if the answer I was looking for wasn't critical knowledge necessary for recreational growers to be successful.

The OP wants to know about experimenting with different light cycles. I asked by what mechanism light benefits mycelium.  Perhaps by understanding the mechanism we can understand why the 12 / 12 cycle seems to be so effective beyond answers like 'it's just the way they are in nature so it works.'

Anyone else care to comment?  I know it's hard to get RR to comment in a thread twice but I would really like to know the answer to this question. A few quick googles don't reveal quick answers so I'm going to dive in deep now.  I'll post back if I find the answer.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19224498 - 12/03/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Any idea why it makes a difference in corel, and has anyone else confirmed the results or are you the only person to try it so far? Also have you gotten consistently reproducable results or was it just one expirament? It'd be cool if this applies to mushrooms too and simply changing the light cycle would show benefit, and I think a lot of us would love to know what role light actually plays in the life cycle of our sacred fungi too, but from what I can find out while we know it's beneficial, there's currently not much understanding as to why. Good thread :thumbup:




I don't think there is any formal research based evidence. It's pretty much a hobby related study. Unfortunately, since growing coral  quickly doesn't do much for the medicinal world, is not something that is studied in depth in a lab setting.

My results are ancedotal, at best. I found it to be consistent over the course of 3 years - in my tank.  I have friends that try it as well, and they haven't gone back to the previous lighting cycle.
So, for coral growth a few things are related to light.

PAR = Photosynthetically active radiation.
We use a quantum meter to measure PAR.

Photo period = The duration of an organism's daily exposure to light, considered especially with regard to the effect of the exposure on growth and development.

Zooxanthelle = symbiotic dinoflagellate(algae) residing in the tissue of living coral. Photosynthetic energy producers for coral.

In order for the zooxanthelle to complete a photo period, there had to be an appropriate amount of PAR to jump start the cycle. Most corals need a minimum of about 200 PAR to begin their photo period. 

How is this relevant? The sun shines for way more than 3 hours a day?!

A valid point, and the reason why some are skeptical to my theory.

Light refracts and reflects when it goes through water. If you take a flashlight, and shine it over a body of water at an angle, you will see  a reflection on the wall opposite of you. This would be a good representation of rising or setting sun.

Water also filters light.  The deeper the light had to penetrate, the lower the PAR reading will be.

When the sun is at midday position, light penetrates  the water more efficiently, and will provide enough adequate PAR to begin photosynthesis. This period of optimal light lasts for about 3-5 hours.

Studies have been preformed to determine that the zooxanthelle produces all the energy that the coral needs within 3 hours. After the energy is produced, the coral waits for the night cycle to begin so that it can use the energy for growth.

My lighting cycle tricks the coral into having two energy producing and two growth cycles within 24 hours instead of one of each.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: shroomdust]
    #19224647 - 12/03/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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They will grow decent with no light except for what they get when fanning and misting. I don't think light is as big of a deal as people make it out to be. They derive energy from the nutrients in the substrate. They are not plants and do not use photosynthesis.



Anyone who has ever used an incandescent bulb, then switched to a 6500K CFL bulb could tell you otherwise.
They may not use photosythesis, but fungi are living entities that do utilize light in the pinning and growth process, mostly as a regulatory function.  All fungi have a circadian rhythm and an internal clock, as well as an apparent awareness to surrounding conditions. (Not awareness as in consciousness, the myclieum is able to detect conditions like moisture and light and make adjustments for growth, as well as detect infections to increase sporeulation speed so it can reproduce before its killed off.) Light is a key element for the regulation of these processes and needed to ensure normal growth patterns. 

Here are is a report and an abstract published in the peer-reviewed US Journal of Medicine about the effects of light on fungi
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2807966/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21924971

TL;DR
For those who dont want to read through all that, here is an excerpt that sums it up:
"Light is a very important signal for every living cell, and since optimal adaptation to both the beneficial and harmful effects of light significantly enhances fitness of an organism, it can be considered crucial for successful competition and survival in nature. The ability to sense light is essential to recognize and anticipate conditions unfavorable for vegetative growth, such as loss of water and deprivation of nutrient on the soil surface. On the other hand, the same signal is needed for appropriate timing of production and dissemination of conidia, which happens on the surface, in light. Commonly observed effects of light on fungi range from induction or inhibition of sexual development and conidiation to circadian clock resetting and suppression of spore release (Corrochano 2007). However, also phenomena such as hyperpolarization of the cell membrane (Gresik et al. 1991; Potapova et al. 1984), alterations in intracellular levels of ATP and cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) as well as an increased rate of oxygen consumption and glycogen breakdown have been observed (Farkas et al. 1990)"


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: 2bittoker]
    #19248744 - 12/09/13 04:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's interesting, 2bittoker. Most of the mushrooms I grew from little/no light did not produce spores, which I did not mind one bit as that can get quite messy sometimes but, the fruit bodies were relatively normal (aside from several mutated caps (but, it was MS..)) for the size of substrate they were grown on.
I never said light had no role in mushroom growth, just that I haven't found it to be super important like it is with plants, IME.

It does make sense that mycelium (apparantly like coral) gather what they need from light in a short amount of time (since most grow in shady places that don't receive 12 hours of high noon sun a day) and then use that to do whatever they do with it during the dark cycle. Seems to be an evolutionary trait for ensured survival. I still believe they get MOST of what they need from their substrate, water, and fresh air though, much like we do. Hence why I claimed I don't think it's as big of a deal as people make it out to be.

Now that I think about it, it's almost like they use a slightly similar mechanism as photosynthesis, though not as intensively...collecting and producing/storing forms of energy, or something like that, by means of oxygen (instead of co2) which light may play a role in efficiantly Increasing development by some chemical/cellular process. Idk, it's past 6am and I haven't been to sleep yet so please excuse me if my wording and ideas are off.
I think it would be safe to assume light "helps" in the development of our fruits but, that does not mean you can't develop fruits without light.
This article on "solar powered" sea slugs reminds me of this topic. Very intriguing.
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/11/19/solar-powered-slugs-are-not-solar-powered/


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19250123 - 12/09/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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elasticaltiger said:
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dusttodust said:
i feel sorry if you understood me this way.




I accept your apology wholeheartedly. 

I'm glad you're done derailing the ops thread considering my original question was actually pertinent to the topic at hand even if the answer I was looking for wasn't critical knowledge necessary for recreational growers to be successful.

The OP wants to know about experimenting with different light cycles. I asked by what mechanism light benefits mycelium.  Perhaps by understanding the mechanism we can understand why the 12 / 12 cycle seems to be so effective beyond answers like 'it's just the way they are in nature so it works.'

Anyone else care to comment?  I know it's hard to get RR to comment in a thread twice but I would really like to know the answer to this question. A few quick googles don't reveal quick answers so I'm going to dive in deep now.  I'll post back if I find the answer.




This is interesting, in that mushrooms' vitamin D levels increase when exposed to sunlight, just like a human being. And it has been proven that human beings, and I would say animals in general, when exposed to regular sunlight, are much healthier.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-stamets/mushrooms-vitamin-d_b_1635941.html


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