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Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule?
    #19214548 - 12/01/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

They say mushrooms are like humans so they give them 12/12 light schedule, but I read a study where they put a human in a cave away from society and he ended up sleeping in longer cycles than the average human in society with responsibilies.

So has anyone ever tried putting mushrooms on like a 20 on 48 off light schedule or anything like that?

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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
    #19214567 - 12/01/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I turn the light on when im at my grow house.. some days they get 12 hours, other dqys they get 3 hours.. mushies still grow..


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
    #19214579 - 12/01/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No.  But I do usually have mine on a 18 / 6 schedule.  Still operates within the 24 hour range though. Had great results. I don't think the results would have been better if they had been 12 / 12.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
    #19214580 - 12/01/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I never tried that extreme, but the summer months here tend to give very long days where you have 16 hours of daylight. I have on many occasions fruited with just daylight with no real issues. I think in that case its the consistency of the cycle that is key. However I doubt that there would be any benefit to a cycle with a duration longer than 24 hrs in total.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19214610 - 12/01/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Mushrooms grow more during the night cycle than during the day cycle....

So in theory, since they derive energy from light, 12/12 seems like the best option.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19214659 - 12/01/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mushrooms grow more during the night cycle than during the day cycle....

So in theory, since they derive energy from light, 12/12 seems like the best option.




No question, I have noticed that they grow a lot at night as well. But for a person who does not want to use lights, sunlight on a schedule that is not quite 12-12 will not hurt the grow in any significant way. Like I said, I only do this in the summer. At the moment my timers are set for 12-12.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19214705 - 12/01/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

How dependent are mushrooms to light? The reason I ask is because I have worked with coral(animals with symbiotic relationships to algae) and have found that 6 on 6  off 6 on 6 off increased  growth.

The zooxanthelle in coral needs a photo period of about 3 hours. That is the amount of time it takes for the algae to go through a photo cycle and produce enough energy for the coral to go into "grow"  mode(at night).

I wanted  to see what result would come from  shortening the light and dark cycles, and how it would impact growth...

Has anyone ever tried this for mushrooms?


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: MarcusFreeman]
    #19215174 - 12/01/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

They will grow decent with no light except for what they get when fanning and misting. I don't think light is as big of a deal as people make it out to be. They derive energy from the nutrients in the substrate. They are not plants and do not use photosynthesis.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19215237 - 12/01/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mushrooms grow more during the night cycle than during the day cycle....




Says who?

I've never seen a difference. Others who have done time-lapse have noted little difference as well, except for a steady upward curve in growth over time to maturity.

I've not done any specific tests on growth with light schedules, but if mushrooms will grow with no light, I bet they will grow with 24/7 light too :shrug:

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They will grow decent with no light except for what they get when fanning and misting. I don't think light is as big of a deal as people make it out to be. They derive energy from the nutrients in the substrate. They are not plants and do not use photosynthesis.




Yuo will never get a proper flush from a substrate without a proper light cycle. Mushrooms do utilize light in the fruiting process, just not in the same way as plants.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19215529 - 12/02/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Notahacker420 said:
Mushrooms grow more during the night cycle than during the day cycle....




Says who?

I've never seen a difference. Others who have done time-lapse have noted little difference as well, except for a steady upward curve in growth over time to maturity.

I've not done any specific tests on growth with light schedules, but if mushrooms will grow with no light, I bet they will grow with 24/7 light too :shrug:

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They will grow decent with no light except for what they get when fanning and misting. I don't think light is as big of a deal as people make it out to be. They derive energy from the nutrients in the substrate. They are not plants and do not use photosynthesis.




Yuo will never get a proper flush from a substrate without a proper light cycle. Mushrooms do utilize light in the fruiting process, just not in the same way as plants.




Frank, purely as an academic question.  If mushrooms do not photosynthesize, then by what means do they benefit from light?

I think this concept is difficult to understand.  It is one more example of how mycelium has more in common with the human condition than a plant's. 

We synthesize vitamin D through a process in the skin during adequate sun exposure.  So specifically, what does mycelium synthesize from exposure to light that it can't get from substrate alone?

That would be great information to add to the mushroom info page.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19215726 - 12/02/13 02:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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They will grow decent with no light except for what they get when fanning and misting. I don't think light is as big of a deal as people make it out to be. They derive energy from the nutrients in the substrate. They are not plants and do not use photosynthesis.




Yuo will never get a proper flush from a substrate without a proper light cycle. Mushrooms do utilize light in the fruiting process, just not in the same way as plants.




Well, I did say "decent"...
I recently pulled a little over an ounce dry off 15 1/4 pint cakes grown mostly in the dark. That equates to 7 half pint cakes or 3.5 pints worth of substrate. Is that not proper? Seems alright to me. :shrug:
I would also like to understand how exactly mushrooms utilize and benefit from a "proper light cycle" (guessing 12/12?). Seems to make little difference IME. What matters more is substrate nutrition content, water (shrooms are 90+% water) , and good fae, I believe. Not saying light isn't beneficial to mushrooms, just saying I think it's a little overrated.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: shroomdust]
    #19215735 - 12/02/13 02:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The shrooms just need good vibes and positive energy, man. :peace:


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #19215738 - 12/02/13 02:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19215801 - 12/02/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mushrooms grow more during the night cycle than during the day cycle....




Says who?



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17185471#17185471

And from the same thread, RR backs it up...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17187526#17187526


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19215807 - 12/02/13 03:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You know we also do most of our growing at night while we're sleeping

And no I can't back this up because I just made it up. I thought it sounded good :shrug:


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19215836 - 12/02/13 03:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Frank, purely as an academic question.  If mushrooms do not photosynthesize, then by what means do they benefit from light?

I think this concept is difficult to understand.  It is one more example of how mycelium has more in common with the human condition than a plant's. 

We synthesize vitamin D through a process in the skin during adequate sun exposure.  So specifically, what does mycelium synthesize from exposure to light that it can't get from substrate alone?

That would be great information to add to the mushroom info page.



Recreational mycology is based on experience and not on academic facts. If we put mushrooms in total darkness they look horrible and defected. Use search bar and you will see.
Dont try to explain everything with theory because most of us lack proper education in theory and the theroy itself is far from being simple, or else everyone would be professional mycologist very fast.

EDIT: Did you just say fungi have more in common with human than plants? Fungi's biological build is way more simple than plants and plants biological build is way more simple than humans. And its very hard to compare human to fungi, lol. Those are totally diffrent things...
And who says mycelium even need light for synthesis of some molecule? What if the light is needed for other purposes? I wouldnt make any assumptions like this. You cant take characteristics of plants and put them to fungi.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19216013 - 12/02/13 06:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mushrooms grow more during the night cycle than during the day cycle....




Says who?




Me for one. Mine and many other grower's experiments have shown that more growth occurs during the dark cycle.  My original time-lapse photos were so screwed by the dark period that the mushrooms appeared to jump in the first picture after lights on.  Later, I put my light on a cycle timer so it would come on for 20 seconds for each picture.  That cured the jerky pictures but slowed down total growth.

Mushrooms do not grow well with low level or no light.  The do 'grow' but are light in weight, skinny with long stems and very tiny caps.  Potency in psilocybin mushrooms is notably lower when insufficient light is used.


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They will grow decent with no light except for what they get when fanning and misting. I don't think light is as big of a deal as people make it out to be. They derive energy from the nutrients in the substrate. They are not plants and do not use photosynthesis.




Yuo will never get a proper flush from a substrate without a proper light cycle. Mushrooms do utilize light in the fruiting process, just not in the same way as plants.




Correct.  Mushrooms are not plants.  They use light in a different way, just as us humans do.  Mushrooms do indeed derive energy from light-They double or more in size and weight when exposed to the proper amount over being grown in darkness.
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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19216396 - 12/02/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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FrankHorrigan said:
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Mushrooms grow more during the night cycle than during the day cycle....




Says who?




Me for one. Mine and many other grower's experiments have shown that more growth occurs during the dark cycle.  My original time-lapse photos were so screwed by the dark period that the mushrooms appeared to jump in the first picture after lights on.  Later, I put my light on a cycle timer so it would come on for 20 seconds for each picture.  That cured the jerky pictures but slowed down total growth.

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Mushrooms do not grow well with low level or no light.  The do 'grow' but are light in weight, skinny with long stems and very tiny caps.  Potency in psilocybin mushrooms is notably lower when insufficient light is used.




I agree, they are somewhat lighter in weight because they are a bit skinnier but, I would not say they are lower in potency. I just had an eighth rock my socks off from mushrooms grown in random, insufficient light conditions...mostly dark.

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They will grow decent with no light except for what they get when fanning and misting. I don't think light is as big of a deal as people make it out to be. They derive energy from the nutrients in the substrate. They are not plants and do not use photosynthesis.




Yuo will never get a proper flush from a substrate without a proper light cycle. Mushrooms do utilize light in the fruiting process, just not in the same way as plants.




Correct.  Mushrooms are not plants.  They use light in a different way, just as us humans do.  Mushrooms do indeed derive energy from light-They double or more in size and weight when exposed to the proper amount over being grown in darkness.
RR




I should have said they seem to derive most* of their energy from their substrate. I'm sure light does something to help them grow...possibly help them metabolize the nutrients from their substrate more efficiently? I'm curious as to what a sufficient amount of light is and what is overkill. 12/12 seems a bit overkill to me.


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: MarcusFreeman]
    #19216418 - 12/02/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How dependent are mushrooms to light? The reason I ask is because I have worked with coral(animals with symbiotic relationships to algae) and have found that 6 on 6  off 6 on 6 off increased  growth.

The zooxanthelle in coral needs a photo period of about 3 hours. That is the amount of time it takes for the algae to go through a photo cycle and produce enough energy for the coral to go into "grow"  mode(at night).

I wanted  to see what result would come from  shortening the light and dark cycles, and how it would impact growth...

Has anyone ever tried this for mushrooms?




That's pretty interesting?  So, you had 12 hours of light/per 24 hours; just broken up into 6 hour blocks, with dark periods in between?

Are you using metal halides?


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Re: Anyone ever tried different lighting schedule? [Re: mycomattie]
    #19216756 - 12/02/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How dependent are mushrooms to light? The reason I ask is because I have worked with coral(animals with symbiotic relationships to algae) and have found that 6 on 6  off 6 on 6 off increased  growth.

The zooxanthelle in coral needs a photo period of about 3 hours. That is the amount of time it takes for the algae to go through a photo cycle and produce enough energy for the coral to go into "grow"  mode(at night).

I wanted  to see what result would come from  shortening the light and dark cycles, and how it would impact growth...

Has anyone ever tried this for mushrooms?




That's pretty interesting?  So, you had 12 hours of light/per 24 hours; just broken up into 6 hour blocks, with dark periods in between?

Are you using metal halides?




I did it with leds, halides and t5.

After I figured it out, I never went back. I have written a few 'articles' about it on my local reef forums.

Some corals do take time to adjust. I mainly targeted the growth of stoney corals.

Lighting was one of my fascinations. I still don't think LEDs are right for sps.


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