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Where is the Self?
#19215722 - 12/02/13 02:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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When someone is called by name, but they are second guessing the call, they sometimes ask "Me?" - and point at them selves. They always point with their index finger. When I do it I also extend my thumb 90 degrees to the index finger. This is a very simple question that proves a point and opens a topic. Where do people point - specifically - when they do this?
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: Sammysong]
#19215775 - 12/02/13 03:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sometimes I point at my face, sometimes I point at my chest.
I don't see any significance in this.
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Maybe I'm pointing at my SOUL or INNER BEING.
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: Sammysong]
#19215882 - 12/02/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the individuality of the body vs reality out of different things beings
it proves that individuality exist, as the body is also alone functioning
that is how we point at physical objects too, that function individually ... a chair is not a reality with something else or a table or a wall or anything we can see among everything ..
self metaphysically, is existing subjective freedom superiority quality determined by the recognition of objective fact as being else existence
it is like, when you recognize truth existence you become the most free superior quality that justify yourself being truly existing too, and subjectively, so by your own present will or mean
this is why conscious is always wrong, from what it would surely mean and want to abuse any sense of being over truth, so to be through lies force, by forcing wills and means
and that is how if you found good people so positive selves that wont act as superior to else, it is exception to conscious being and you cannot generalize it at all on the contrary, it points those selves as right beings themselves only unique..
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Into The Woods said: Maybe I'm pointing at my SOUL or INNER BEING.

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Into The Woods said: Maybe I'm pointing at my SOUL or INNER BEING.

there is no such inner being nor souls.. these are to lies fabrications for false justifications used by powers over anyone right individual existence in truth
existence is only objective reality rights, objective plural freedom superiority communications .. rights of those freedoms to exist individually, as they are superior value then the reality they contribute to do by recognizing others present rights in values
anything else, so whatever is not related to else objective reality, is nothing .. not existing ..that is why free individual existence is mainly about conscious individual beings present reality with else, so the superficial needs and sense of individuals beings realities still ..
it is about their rights to be free, to realize their own selves needs and to free themselves from others senses on their beings ..when they are still right respecting true existence value
to cut it short, you are only what you do outside of you
anything in you, is not you
this is how truth work, so any is only true freedom possibilities objectively
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: absols]
#19216064 - 12/02/13 06:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Absols may I ask you an off topic question
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No..
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: absols]
#19216794 - 12/02/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: absols] 1
#19216817 - 12/02/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: Sammysong]
#19216839 - 12/02/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I notice that people point to their chest, or the heart chakra. I think people do this subconsciously knowing that is where the I resides.
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: teknix]
#19216895 - 12/02/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't point there.
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: Sammysong]
#19216898 - 12/02/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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They're pointing at the body manifesting awareness.
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: Icelander]
#19216906 - 12/02/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: I don't point there. 
Like when you say I, where does it feel like it is?
Or where do you feel emotions ?
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: teknix]
#19216922 - 12/02/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: I notice that people point to their chest, or the heart chakra. I think people do this subconsciously knowing that is where the I resides.
I don't believe the self has a spatial location as the self is not physical. The body/brain has a spatial location, but this is only relevant if you think the self IS the body or brain.
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: Sammysong]
#19216933 - 12/02/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Japanese touch their noses when they refer to themselves.
I'm not sure where I'm located. (tee hee) Open for question, but who's questioning?
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: deCypher]
#19216936 - 12/02/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, I don't really think that, but when I is ego, it is residing there, fme.
I (ego) is controlling the emotional element of who you are.
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: teknix]
#19216939 - 12/02/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you believe the ego is a physical thing located within the body?
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: r72rock]
#19216947 - 12/02/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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r72rock said: The Japanese touch their noses when they refer to themselves.
I'm not sure where I'm located. (tee hee) Open for question, but who's questioning? 
I didn't know that. I wonder why? Is it traditional, cultural, or conscious in another way more than a subconscious decision?
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: deCypher]
#19216951 - 12/02/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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deCypher said: So you believe the ego is a physical thing located within the body?
No.
I believe ego is entangled within the emotional center, through thoughts or the brain.
Ego is just a thought or idea, but it has real effects on the energy body.
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: Sammysong]
#19216952 - 12/02/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: teknix]
#19216958 - 12/02/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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deCypher said: So you believe the ego is a physical thing located within the body?
No.
I believe ego is entangled within the emotional center, through thoughts or the brain.
You just said the ego resides "there"... you weren't referring to the body?
What do you mean by the emotional center? Is that a physical location?
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: deCypher]
#19216963 - 12/02/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't not mean literally and physically, more figuratively.
Emotions are felt in the ganglia, which is a physical location, but I don't know how I could ever prove that.
If ego is controlling your emotions, then what you feel is determined by the ego.
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: teknix]
#19217082 - 12/02/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The 'self' and 'ego' are interpretive placeholders for awareness.
I'm not suggesting there is 'no ego or self', just that when a person points at their self, they're pointing at the awareness which they may or may not believe is their self/ego.
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: Rahz]
#19217100 - 12/02/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do You think awareness ceases to exist without ego? I think you probably mean self-awareness or conscious awareness?
The second sentence is pretty confusing.
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: teknix]
#19217120 - 12/02/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the self is usually on a usb stick in my pocket
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RGV doesn't point, he pulls out a USB!
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: teknix]
#19217192 - 12/02/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm still laughing, that is funny as hell!
Need to find a place to plug myself in!
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: teknix]
#19217229 - 12/02/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said:
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Icelander said: I don't point there. 
Like when you say I, where does it feel like it is?
Or where do you feel emotions ?
Head
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: Icelander]
#19217254 - 12/02/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i keep a few things in my pocket
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: teknix]
#19217258 - 12/02/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: Do You think awareness ceases to exist without ego? I think you probably mean self-awareness or conscious awareness?
The second sentence is pretty confusing.
In theory ego and awareness are two separate functions so yes, awareness would exist in absence of ego. Also I should have said "when a person points at their BODY, they're pointing at the awareness which they may or may not believe is their self/ego."
To be clear on ego, it's a function with variable content. No content, no perception of ego. Even with content ego is still simply a function which could be mistaken for the content. It would be like having a talking head on your computer screen. A person might assume the head was the computer when actually the head is a temporary product of the wires and circuits.
Also ego, self, same function variable content. I think people generally speak towards ego when there is the perception of less/no awareness. Neither actually exist as far as I can tell but it's usually not helpful to bring that up in opposition to an idea.
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Re: Where is the Self? [Re: Icelander]
#19217259 - 12/02/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think you are an exception.
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