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OfflineDava
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The stupid four chocolate makers.
    #1921497 - 09/16/03 02:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/030903/afp/030903043915int.html
Nowhere to be seen on the big news channels.
Anyho - the arrogance of the US is disturbing me highly, i rather see the EU leaving NATO today than tomorrow.

Why did America rudely comment on European military plans? Its not their business in the first place.
And whats the problem with an european army.
Americans are the first to say that Europe is a weasel in military terms but when we try to organise an independent army, you oppose it.
Fear of losing conrol over Europe's military through NATO?




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Re: The stupid four chocolate makers. [Re: Dava]
    #1921523 - 09/16/03 02:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

More like fear of becoming one of the superpowers, instead of the superpower.

I like the idea of an EU military. That's just me, of course.


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Re: The stupid four chocolate makers. [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1921555 - 09/16/03 02:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

So you can rudely comment about our plans, but it is not OK for us to do the same?


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Re: The stupid four chocolate makers. [Re: shakta]
    #1921563 - 09/16/03 02:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Their plans don't involve invading a sovereign nation.


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Re: The stupid four chocolate makers. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1921572 - 09/16/03 02:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

And?

It is still rudely commenting about it. So it is OK to criticize something as long as you are never criticized? What is wrong with NATO as it is now? They were able to prevent NATO from being used in the war after all.


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Re: The stupid four chocolate makers. [Re: shakta]
    #1921579 - 09/16/03 02:56 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Sure, the US government has the right to criticize Europe for this, but I think the real reason they're doing this is because they don't like competition. An EU army would essentially amount to a second superpower. Personally, I like this idea, since a second superpower could keep us in check, and prevent us from dominating the world.


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Re: The stupid four chocolate makers. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1921603 - 09/16/03 03:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think an EU army would amount to much of a fight against ours anytime soon. I like the idea though. That way they can pay for their wars in places like Kosovo, and they can send all of their own troops instead of ours.


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Re: The stupid four chocolate makers. [Re: shakta]
    #1921605 - 09/16/03 03:05 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That's a fair point.


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Re: The stupid four chocolate makers. [Re: shakta]
    #1921611 - 09/16/03 03:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

One more note. They sure as hell better be sure they want to do this, if they are thinking about getting rid of NATO. America won't be at their beck and call to fight their little wars anymore.


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Re: The stupid four chocolate makers. [Re: shakta]
    #1921618 - 09/16/03 03:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That would be a good thing.


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Re: The stupid four chocolate makers. [Re: Autonomous]
    #1921635 - 09/16/03 03:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I tend to agree with you. It would be a good thing for America, but the Euros need to decide if they really want to throw a 60 year old relationship away over the Iraq disagreement, that was disengenuously led by France.

I will give them the Iraq argument. We all know their true motives for it, but I will give them a pass on it. Now they are demanding that control be handed over to this non-existant Iraqi government in a month or two. Their demands for a UN resolution are ridiculous to say the least. They also want security handed over to the Iraqis almost immediately when there are not anywhere near enough Iraqi security forces to handle the job.


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Re: The stupid four chocolate makers. [Re: shakta]
    #1921641 - 09/16/03 03:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

this army building shit is so perpetual it may likely be the end of us as well. That is if the magnetic polarities dont change or an asteroid doesnt hit or maybe jeebus will even float out of the clouds.

Strange times. Cheers to the EU army.


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