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OfflineHappyHooligan
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DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted.
    #19214603 - 12/01/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

When it comes to reaching Level 5 (I'm talking serious death of ego, talking to higher powers, all those life changing experiences) 

Which drug is more powerful?
Most of the level 5 trips I've read have been from DMT? I always thought acid was THE highest drug but now I'm wondering if DMT is a step above it?

In a normal dose of acid & normal dose of DMT, which trip is the most, for lack of a better word "powerful" ??


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
    #19214655 - 12/01/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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but now I'm wondering if DMT is a step above it?





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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19214730 - 12/01/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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but now I'm wondering if DMT is a step above it?





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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: blackstatis]
    #19215060 - 12/01/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In terms of taking you to other worlds, I guess dmt is a step above everything


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: MagicalOrangutan] * 1
    #19215126 - 12/01/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

reaching level 5 on LSD sound incredibly dangerous without an impeccable setting and experienced sitter, not to mention absolute knowledge that what you have is LSD


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Agentchewy]
    #19215158 - 12/01/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

LSD is such a gentle "level 5" experience IMO.
The come up seems slow and steady, making it quite comfortable and before you know it you are gone.

Its beautiful :awesome:


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: cez]
    #19215186 - 12/01/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Gentle? Interesting..have you ever tried mescaline cez?


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: cez]
    #19215190 - 12/01/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've smoked DMT before to a sub-breakthrough dose only, and so far the experience has seemed very otherworldly and impersonal. LSD on the other hand is so emotional and reflective. I can't help but think that a true LSD breakthrough (1000+ mics I'm guessing) would be more intense than DMT in some ways because it has more personal significance. I'm not denying that smoked DMT is more earth shattering and visual, but does it really change lives like acid??

Anyone wanna chime in? I'm genuinely curious.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19215229 - 12/01/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Gentle? Interesting..have you ever tried mescaline cez?




No :sad:

Its on my to do list.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
    #19215265 - 12/01/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In a "normal" dose of each, DMT I would imagine.

I think you'd need to take a good dose of acid to reach a comparable head space to a DMT blastoff

But both experiences would be powerful


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19215318 - 12/01/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

so would it be better to drop acid first, then months later do DMT? like try them in order of intensity to better prepare for the trip?


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
    #19215343 - 12/01/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Naw dmt was my first psychedelic. I mean it only lasts a few minutes


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19215381 - 12/02/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

that's the main reason why I am so interested in DMT. That it can be soo powerful but only last such a short amount of time! Like even if I feel like I'm in eternity, It would be over soon... but with acid, 10 hours?? I'd probably freak out because it just seems too long.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
    #19215417 - 12/02/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

DMT is not for fucking around ladies and gentlemen.  There are some real big fish out there.
"Powerful" can mean alot of different things. But DMT is like the drive-by shooting of psychedelics.  But I'd say LSD changed my reality tunnel the most permanently.:trippinbawelz:
And while I personally believe that LSD should be given to everybody over the age of 18 that have no pre-existing mental disorder or family history of schizoid behaviour.  Deep inside I don't think that everybody should dose DMT.  Its not for the casual psychedelic user.:jimmies:


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19215453 - 12/02/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

why would DMT not be for everyone to try at least once? Is it not eye opening? Or at least for those who use psychedelics as a tool to figure out life & self. & even those who use it for "fun", experience meaningful trips.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan] * 1
    #19215490 - 12/02/13 12:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You try it and tell me :smile:


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19215506 - 12/02/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

might not happen for a while, but I will return to this post and comment when I do!


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
    #19215509 - 12/02/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:wizard:GOOD VIBES


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
    #19215641 - 12/02/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've never had dmt but I've studied it, read hundreds of trip reports and I do have lots of first hand experience with lsd.

IMO, it REALLY depends on the person and factors like when the last you  tripped and Possibly body weight. For example I had some tabs that were about 150ug per tab one night with my friends and my friend J had 2. 3 hours later I'm loving everything we were in the desert having a spiritual experience but J kept seeing "Helicopter lights" and "headlights" and I realized then he was getting into an ego death.

I had lost my ego but since I tripped real frequently I wasn't tripping half as hard as he was. When we got to my house later he was so confused it scared all of us, mainly because he was the driver and couldn't understand or finish sentences. He didn't know where he was, who he was, what time it was, he didn't understand what a house was at one point and thought he was stuck in my backyard. It was bad, I was jealous though cause I took 3 150 tabs and didn't get the ego death and I was the only one that could handle it at the time.

All that taken into account you would need IMO anywhere from 200-400mcg+ of lucy for an ego death.

Deemster us a whole different beast though, you break though into another world with entities, machine elves, and very intensely profound experiences. I have had breakthroughs on saliva where I saw my whole life flash before me on a film reel. Also it showed me the infinite possibilities to the future. On other salvia trips I have had I started throwing up and swinging my bong because my body turned into a fleshy piece of a railroad track and I was flattened by miles of train.

Through all those salvia trips every breakthrough was both terrifying and amazing. I bet Deemster is way more beautiful but more frightening as well,



If you're looking for an ego death I'd say start with high doses of mushies

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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #19215964 - 12/02/13 05:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

People just tend to take DMT further because it's shorter acting and therefor leaves less room for psychological damage. However, a smoked DMT trip is one of the most cosmic and bizarre experiences, but not quite as useful as any oral trip like LSD. You meet some aliens, they show you universal conscience and what the meaning of beauty is and then you get returned back home. You may be glowing for a day or two but its far too quick to gain much long term from it. However, after experiencing full fledged ego death on ayahuasca I do not recommend that shit with LSD. 4 hours is more than enough to completely break you and leave you feeling vulnerable for what seems like eternity. I don't recommend it to anyone inexperienced either. Words can not describe the intensity. Going in I'll prepared has fucked people in the long term

Ego death is something you should only do if you're looking to seriously gain something from it IMO.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19215987 - 12/02/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, some people actually think LSD is more powerful than DMT? That is simply not true. Watch some documentaries and read up on some trip reports on DMT, it is NOTHING like LSD. And yeah, you could kind of say that LSD is more personal and reflective, but if you felt like you got nothing out of your DMT trip, you either need to try it in ayahuasca form or you did it wrong and did not break through. A vaporized DMT trip is a 1000 years of experience packed into a few minutes.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19215997 - 12/02/13 05:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Wow, some people actually think LSD is more powerful than DMT? That is simply not true. Watch some documentaries and read up on some trip reports on DMT, it is NOTHING like LSD. And yeah, you could kind of say that LSD is more personal and reflective, but if you felt like you got nothing out of your DMT trip, you either need to try it in ayahuasca form or you did it wrong and did not break through. A vaporized DMT trip is a 1000 years of experience packed into a few minutes.




Have broken through on ayahuasca... Have broken through on DMT more times than I can count on my digits... LSD ain't to be fucked with. Instead of reading trip reports and documentaries why don't you see for yourself?

I didn't say I got nothing out of DMT, I said in comparison to longer lasting psyches it's not quite as valuable. DMT wont do shit for you in comparison to ayahuasca, and though I haven't pushed the potential of LSD quite as high as I have DMT, even in the 5 tabs range it's far more psychologically demanding than smoked DMT


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19216017 - 12/02/13 06:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I didn't say I got nothing out of DMT, I said in comparison to longer lasting psyches it's not quite as valuable. DMT wont do shit for you in comparison to ayahuasca, and though I haven't pushed the potential of LSD quite as high as I have DMT, even in the 5 tabs range it's far more psychologically demanding than smoked DMT




Well then it boils down to what you define as 'valuable' or 'something taken' from an experience.

EDIT: I was responding to OP btw, not you lol


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19216301 - 12/02/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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In a normal dose of acid & normal dose of DMT, which trip is the most, for lack of a better word "powerful" ??




DMT is more powerful but not when smoked. You have to take it orally i a brew so you can see the true value. BUT its not to be fucked around lightly because it WILL be powerful.:fasted:

Smoking DMT is bullshit and will give you nothing of value that lasts.
Smoking DMT is for exclusively for people who DO NOT understand what is all about. Smoking DMT is for stupid hipster jerks:dawerp:


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: rikuni]
    #19216312 - 12/02/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19216338 - 12/02/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've smoked a lot of DMT in my life, and I've taken a lot of LSD in my life. Comparing the two is apples to oranges. Sure a DMT breakthrough is unlike anything else, and I have reaped some benefits from my experiences with it, but the fact remains that it's far less of a personal experience for me. I travel to different worlds, meet entities. The most straight up religious experience of my life was on DMT. 80mgs vaped in three huge tokes. But it was totally different than an LSD trip. LSD is a journey, not a rocket launch. That alone changes the dynamic. Sure a DMT breakthrough is a timeless experience.....but LSD is a whole other beast.

DMT is not more powerful than LSD, just powerful in a different way. Now if you're eating low-moderate doses of LSD, sure. Eating 1,000+ mics with no tolerance though... That's easily as unfolding as a DMT breakthrough. No connection to reality, ego-loss, living different lives, etc..... Doesn't matter if your eyes are open or not, and this experience last hours in real time. Furthermore, vaped DMT doesn't have the psychological effect that LSD does. I don't really get ego-loss from it, with the possible exception of the highest point of that 80mg experience. I always remained cognizant of who I was. It's just that I was in a totally different place.  Whereas LSD shattered me into a million different pieces & taught me things about myself that nothing else has.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Dark_Star]
    #19216413 - 12/02/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I've smoked a lot of DMT in my life, and I've taken a lot of LSD in my life. Comparing the two is apples to oranges. Sure a DMT breakthrough is unlike anything else, and I have reaped some benefits from my experiences with it, but the fact remains that it's far less of a personal experience for me. I travel to different worlds, meet entities. The most straight up religious experience of my life was on DMT. 80mgs vaped in three huge tokes. But it was totally different than an LSD trip. LSD is a journey, not a rocket launch. That alone changes the dynamic. Sure a DMT breakthrough is a timeless experience.....but LSD is a whole other beast.

DMT is not more powerful than LSD, just powerful in a different way. Now if you're eating low-moderate doses of LSD, sure. Eating 1,000+ mics with no tolerance though... That's easily as unfolding as a DMT breakthrough. No connection to reality, ego-loss, living different lives, etc..... Doesn't matter if your eyes are open or not, and this experience last hours in real time. Furthermore, vaped DMT doesn't have the psychological effect that LSD does. I don't really get ego-loss from it, with the possible exception of the highest point of that 80mg experience. I always remained cognizant of who I was. It's just that I was in a totally different place.  Whereas LSD shattered me into a million different pieces & taught me things about myself that nothing else has.




Dark star, do you have experience with Ayahuasca? I'm curious how it compares to high doses of LSD. Only reason i ask is because Ayahuasca is the only long acting serotogenic psychedelic that i have taken in sufficiently high doses to be completely out of touch with normal reality. Coming out of it I was convinced that none of the classics could ever touch the raw intensity of that, but after slowly coming off that high horse for a few months I feel like I was just taking insanely large doses of it in comparison to anything else I've taken. I remember Joe Molly writing something once where he said that in large enough doses none of those drugs are really any different than one another and I'm wondering your take on that since you seem decently experienced. I used to want to experience the tenstrip, but after doing Aya a couple times it feels completely unnecessary, unless im truly missing out on something


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19216500 - 12/02/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've never taken ayahuasca. But yeah, any of the classics can offer that same raw intensity. I'd imagine that many of the non-classics can as well. I know for a fact that DPT does. The subjective effects such as body high, visuals and whatnot are different from substance to substance, but once you are completely gone it makes no difference. The difference in subjective effects comes during the journey there & the journey back. If you've been there the only thing you're missing out on by not taking a tenstrip is a different road there. Which, at the end of the day is unnecessary.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Dark_Star]
    #19216551 - 12/02/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I've never taken ayahuasca. But yeah, any of the classics can offer that same raw intensity. I'd imagine that many of the non-classics can as well. I know for a fact that DPT does. The subjective effects such as body high, visuals and whatnot are different from substance to substance, but once you are completely gone it makes no difference. The difference in subjective effects comes during the journey there & the journey back. If you've been there the only thing you're missing out on by not taking a tenstrip is a different road there. Which, at the end of the day is unnecessary.




Yeah that's what i figured. I was kind of hoping you would have had some experience with ayahuasca as a lot of people classify it as "extremely different" but at the end of the day, i suppose those are the same people saying DMT is more intense than LSD. People getting dosed by hardheaded shamans or smoking a lung full of DMT and trying to compare it to their measly 300 mics of LSD.

But if that's the case then I'm in no rush to ever down a mg of LSD. Taking ayahuasca feels like i'm narrowly slipping by a permanent psychosis, i don't see the point in prolonging that. Not to say nobody should ever dive that deep, but you have to draw some sort of line with that shit or i don't imagine the game ending very pleasantly


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19217001 - 12/02/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

LSDs expirence lasts too long..
So id say, do DMT.

But to be perfectly honest. If your just looking to kill your ego. There is no quicker way IMO then taking a huge bong hit of a really strong Salvia extract; then doing a really big nitrous whippet!!

That shit will swallow you whole. Murder your ego, and leave you slumped over, confused, and scared. Yes, the expirence is overwhelmingly violent, but as i said. There is no faster way to truley kill your ego.

Ego death isnt a "fun expirence" in my book..

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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: 420happyhippy]
    #19217214 - 12/02/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No no, I am aware and I'm not doing it for "fun". I am a psychology major in college, possibly changing to physics, and I want to use psychedelics as a tool to deeper explore the human mind and subconscious. Some things you just can't be taught in any school.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19217663 - 12/02/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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People just tend to take DMT further because it's shorter acting and therefor leaves less room for psychological damage. However, a smoked DMT trip is one of the most cosmic and bizarre experiences, but not quite as useful as any oral trip like LSD. You meet some aliens, they show you universal conscience and what the meaning of beauty is and then you get returned back home. You may be glowing for a day or two but its far too quick to gain much long term from it. However, after experiencing full fledged ego death on ayahuasca I do not recommend that shit with LSD. 4 hours is more than enough to completely break you and leave you feeling vulnerable for what seems like eternity. I don't recommend it to anyone inexperienced either. Words can not describe the intensity. Going in I'll prepared has fucked people in the long term

Ego death is something you should only do if you're looking to seriously gain something from it IMO.



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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
    #19217718 - 12/02/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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No no, I am aware and I'm not doing it for "fun". I am a psychology major in college, possibly changing to physics, and I want to use psychedelics as a tool to deeper explore the human mind and subconscious. Some things you just can't be taught in any school.



If your really looking to explore consciousness, I would seriously look into ordering some syrian rue seeds and doing a simple manske extraction on them.  Then try LSD with the harmala alkoloids.  To this day its been the most powerfully life changing combo I've ever tried.  I always throw :nitrous: on top of it though:awecid:


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Dark_Star]
    #19217738 - 12/02/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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DMT is not more powerful than LSD, just powerful in a different way. Now if you're eating low-moderate doses of LSD, sure. Eating 1,000+ mics with no tolerance though... That's easily as unfolding as a DMT breakthrough. No connection to reality, ego-loss, living different lives, etc..... Doesn't matter if your eyes are open or not, and this experience last hours in real time. Furthermore, vaped DMT doesn't have the psychological effect that LSD does. I don't really get ego-loss from it, with the possible exception of the highest point of that 80mg experience. I always remained cognizant of who I was. It's just that I was in a totally different place.  Whereas LSD shattered me into a million different pieces & taught me things about myself that nothing else has.




I like what is said here. Also, LSD is factually the most potent psychedelic in the world. Don't argue, you can't dispute it. LSD is active in amounts under 1mg, far less than any available drug in the world. In that sense of weight-threshold-dosage, LSD is the most 'potent' psych.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19217885 - 12/02/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Perhaps the most "potent". But IMO not really the most powerfull.  DMT visuals have the distinct characteristic of being more "real" then reality to me. 
Even with ridiculously high doses of LSD protentiated with harmala, I never really thought I was gonna die. I mean the thought never even came across.
DMT however, as soon as I finished that 3rd hit, the first thing on my mind was, "Oh shit, I fucking did it now! I'm not coming back from this one."


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19218240 - 12/02/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Greenarrow that's how I feel after smoking dmt, actually that combined with "something alien and ancient is coming out of the room to hold me hostage..Pizarenehuge..." And then I can't understand language. Pizarenehuge, simplesnooge.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19218299 - 12/02/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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DMT is not more powerful than LSD, just powerful in a different way. Now if you're eating low-moderate doses of LSD, sure. Eating 1,000+ mics with no tolerance though... That's easily as unfolding as a DMT breakthrough. No connection to reality, ego-loss, living different lives, etc..... Doesn't matter if your eyes are open or not, and this experience last hours in real time. Furthermore, vaped DMT doesn't have the psychological effect that LSD does. I don't really get ego-loss from it, with the possible exception of the highest point of that 80mg experience. I always remained cognizant of who I was. It's just that I was in a totally different place.  Whereas LSD shattered me into a million different pieces & taught me things about myself that nothing else has.




I like what is said here. Also, LSD is factually the most potent psychedelic in the world. Don't argue, you can't dispute it. LSD is active in amounts under 1mg, far less than any available drug in the world. In that sense of weight-threshold-dosage, LSD is the most 'potent' psych.




Don't quite me but I believe salvia is more potent. There are more potent ergolines as well


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19218310 - 12/02/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Potency in effects by weight is irrelevant to almost anything


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19218378 - 12/02/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Potency in effects by weight is irrelevant to almost anything




Exactly. I was just debating his "undebatable" point :P haha. But potency is irrelevant to subjective strength


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19218403 - 12/02/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah. It's purely about the relative strength of effect A vs effect B vs effect C etc.

Mescaline has low mind fuck in relation to body high and euphoria. shrooms have strong effects on ability to concentrate in relation to visuals. both have very low toxicity relative to to all their psychological effects. Etc.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19218502 - 12/02/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Wow, some people actually think LSD is more powerful than DMT? That is simply not true. Watch some documentaries and read up on some trip reports on DMT, it is NOTHING like LSD. And yeah, you could kind of say that LSD is more personal and reflective, but if you felt like you got nothing out of your DMT trip, you either need to try it in ayahuasca form or you did it wrong and did not break through. A vaporized DMT trip is a 1000 years of experience packed into a few minutes.




Have broken through on ayahuasca... Have broken through on DMT more times than I can count on my digits... LSD ain't to be fucked with. Instead of reading trip reports and documentaries why don't you see for yourself?

I didn't say I got nothing out of DMT, I said in comparison to longer lasting psyches it's not quite as valuable. DMT wont do shit for you in comparison to ayahuasca, and though I haven't pushed the potential of LSD quite as high as I have DMT, even in the 5 tabs range it's far more psychologically demanding than smoked DMT




Have you tried other long lasting psychs like the DOx's?  I've read of people having long lasting spiritual change coming off DOC and DOM.  And of course Mescaline seems to do the same thing.  Most people seem to get more out of mescaline and lsd over breakthrough smoked DMT doses so maybe the duration does have something to do with it,


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19218518 - 12/02/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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No no, I am aware and I'm not doing it for "fun". I am a psychology major in college, possibly changing to physics, and I want to use psychedelics as a tool to deeper explore the human mind and subconscious. Some things you just can't be taught in any school.



If your really looking to explore consciousness, I would seriously look into ordering some syrian rue seeds and doing a simple manske extraction on them.  Then try LSD with the harmala alkoloids.  To this day its been the most powerfully life changing combo I've ever tried.  I always throw :nitrous: on top of it though:awecid:






I did not do the harmalas, but recently me and a freind took some real properly potent LSD and both tried nitrous on it for the first time ever and all I can say is HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! Definitely blasts you out of yourself for a second


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Jesus Cristo]
    #19218875 - 12/02/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Wow, some people actually think LSD is more powerful than DMT? That is simply not true. Watch some documentaries and read up on some trip reports on DMT, it is NOTHING like LSD. And yeah, you could kind of say that LSD is more personal and reflective, but if you felt like you got nothing out of your DMT trip, you either need to try it in ayahuasca form or you did it wrong and did not break through. A vaporized DMT trip is a 1000 years of experience packed into a few minutes.




Have broken through on ayahuasca... Have broken through on DMT more times than I can count on my digits... LSD ain't to be fucked with. Instead of reading trip reports and documentaries why don't you see for yourself?

I didn't say I got nothing out of DMT, I said in comparison to longer lasting psyches it's not quite as valuable. DMT wont do shit for you in comparison to ayahuasca, and though I haven't pushed the potential of LSD quite as high as I have DMT, even in the 5 tabs range it's far more psychologically demanding than smoked DMT




Have you tried other long lasting psychs like the DOx's?  I've read of people having long lasting spiritual change coming off DOC and DOM.  And of course Mescaline seems to do the same thing.  Most people seem to get more out of mescaline and lsd over breakthrough smoked DMT doses so maybe the duration does have something to do with it,



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Wow, some people actually think LSD is more powerful than DMT? That is simply not true. Watch some documentaries and read up on some trip reports on DMT, it is NOTHING like LSD. And yeah, you could kind of say that LSD is more personal and reflective, but if you felt like you got nothing out of your DMT trip, you either need to try it in ayahuasca form or you did it wrong and did not break through. A vaporized DMT trip is a 1000 years of experience packed into a few minutes.




Have broken through on ayahuasca... Have broken through on DMT more times than I can count on my digits... LSD ain't to be fucked with. Instead of reading trip reports and documentaries why don't you see for yourself?

I didn't say I got nothing out of DMT, I said in comparison to longer lasting psyches it's not quite as valuable. DMT wont do shit for you in comparison to ayahuasca, and though I haven't pushed the potential of LSD quite as high as I have DMT, even in the 5 tabs range it's far more psychologically demanding than smoked DMT




Have you tried other long lasting psychs like the DOx's?  I've read of people having long lasting spiritual change coming off DOC and DOM.  And of course Mescaline seems to do the same thing.  Most people seem to get more out of mescaline and lsd over breakthrough smoked DMT doses so maybe the duration does have something to do with it,




I'm actually picking up DOC this very second :laugh:


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19218913 - 12/02/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19218967 - 12/02/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Potency in effects by weight is irrelevant to almost anything




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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19219101 - 12/02/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

All DOx suck. Make you feel like shit and you trip for 30 hours. You can't go to bed, your mind seems :monkeydance: going off the walls, and the worst is the leg cramps. Can't just lay down and relax because otherwise your legs will feel like complete shit. Terrible experience IMHO. Fun to do once but after that I don't know how people continually dose on it.:feelsbadman: 

Honestly nothing comes close to DMT, I didn't understand what ego death is before it. Your world completely dissolves in front of you and it completely shatters your views on the world. No matter who you are, DMT will rock your face clean off... No more urge to trip off anything ever again. Not after the BIG D..it ripped my ass in two.

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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19219107 - 12/02/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think what some people may be forgetting is that we are talking about an "ego death" dose of LSD compared to one of DMT. People usually only eat 2 or 3 hits of acid, when they should eat maybe eight or ten, if they have climbed their way up the dosing ladder as they should be doing, as responsible cosmic citizens.

I prefer to eat massive doses of LSD, and I find it jarrs me less than a massive dose of DMT, oral or smoked. I've tripped dozens and dozens of times on ten strips and twenty strips the next night, and I would say that LSD has a "protection factor", or rather your brain/"spirit" has one, a more effective one than it does when high-dosing dmt.

I will eat ten hits of acid and be ok to drive, because I've done it lots of times. I have done dmt lots of times, and I would not attempt to drive on a smoked dose.

I can, however, attest to the fact that LSD is just as far out as DMT dose-wise, and combining lsd and tryptamines is where it's at. The question shouldn't be, "should I try dmt or lsd for an breakthrough experience?", it should be "how many mushrooms should I eat if I eat ten hits of acid for a breakthrough experience?". I would say at least an eighth.

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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19219128 - 12/02/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

lsd always seemed more real to me and therefore taught me real life lessons and real memories. I remember on cheese/phish tour's back in the day i used to take 4-10 hits of great lucy(spiderman/UFOs/black pyramid's/window pane)depending on strength and had great times in the right place with the right people it was definitely more of a positive lifechangeing thing .  the deemsters is fun as hell at first but more like exploring different possibilities of thought that are not quite as use full and more like a mental yoga that cleanses me and has made me too not want to trip lately. i wonder if aya is the best of both worlds.
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
    #19219312 - 12/02/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think what some people may be forgetting is that we are talking about an "ego death" dose of LSD compared to one of DMT. People usually only eat 2 or 3 hits of acid, when they should eat maybe eight or ten, if they have climbed their way up the dosing ladder as they should be doing, as responsible cosmic citizens.

I prefer to eat massive doses of LSD, and I find it jarrs me less than a massive dose of DMT, oral or smoked. I've tripped dozens and dozens of times on ten strips and twenty strips the next night, and I would say that LSD has a "protection factor", or rather your brain/"spirit" has one, a more effective one than it does when high-dosing dmt.

I will eat ten hits of acid and be ok to drive, because I've done it lots of times. I have done dmt lots of times, and I would not attempt to drive on a smoked dose.

I can, however, attest to the fact that LSD is just as far out as DMT dose-wise, and combining lsd and tryptamines is where it's at. The question shouldn't be, "should I try dmt or lsd for an breakthrough experience?", it should be "how many mushrooms should I eat if I eat ten hits of acid for a breakthrough experience?". I would say at least an eighth.

Jettison the fears of being too "far out" along with your ego, and you'll find out how selfish such fears are.

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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19219968 - 12/02/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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No no, I am aware and I'm not doing it for "fun". I am a psychology major in college, possibly changing to physics, and I want to use psychedelics as a tool to deeper explore the human mind and subconscious. Some things you just can't be taught in any school.



If your really looking to explore consciousness, I would seriously look into ordering some syrian rue seeds and doing a simple manske extraction on them.  Then try LSD with the harmala alkoloids.  To this day its been the most powerfully life changing combo I've ever tried.  I always throw :nitrous: on top of it though:awecid:






I did not do the harmalas, but recently me and a freind took some real properly potent LSD and both tried nitrous on it for the first time ever and all I can say is HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! Definitely blasts you out of yourself for a second


I like popping 2 cartridges in a balloon when I'm peaking.  I huff the nitrous till I get the desired OEV's.  It's a fully adjustable psychedelic...What else could you want?:manofapproval:


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: cez]
    #19219982 - 12/02/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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LSD is such a gentle "level 5" experience IMO.
The come up seems slow and steady, making it quite comfortable and before you know it you are gone.

Its beautiful :awesome:



Yup, dont even feel it, hm..what just happened?.. unconscious for a few hours

then next few months I find out I changed :wink:

now I try to stay below level5 most of the time

level4 on shrooms on the other hand, that is intense

salvia is beyond level categorizing almost, no way I could put that into category, havent dared to go very far with salvia

havent tried DMT and dont plan to, LSD is perfect IMO, good for connecting with my inner self,nature and others etc.
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: lessismore]
    #19220292 - 12/03/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Whose an expert? Is there such a thing? Are self proclaimed experts pretentious?

Anywho, I am no expert by any means but I'd suggest that LSD is more powerful but that could also be subjective. It's definitely more powerful by weight though. See you have to think, we typically take LSD sublingually or orally while we typically smoke DMT (unless we're talking ayahuasca but that's a combination so I'm not referring to it here), so were comparing two different ROAs as well as two different psychoactives. If you could smoke LSD then I'm sure it would equal DMT in intensity. Of course if you smoke the same amount of LSD as you smoke DMT then I'm sure LSD woud most likely be much more powerful. You also have to take into account that LSD typically comes on slower than tryptamines and so it feels weaker because it builds you up while DMT just throws you into the experience. Overall I think that if the chosen ROA was injection and the dosage was equal then LSD would be far more powerful. If the dosage was altered then either it could be a toss up.

The one thing that could change this VITAL piece of information is the personal brain chemistry, the personal psyche and the subjective nature of a psychedelic experience. In other words..

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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19220778 - 12/03/13 06:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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All DOx suck. Make you feel like shit and you trip for 30 hours. You can't go to bed, your mind seems :monkeydance: going off the walls, and the worst is the leg cramps. Can't just lay down and relax because otherwise your legs will feel like complete shit. Terrible experience IMHO. Fun to do once but after that I don't know how people continually dose on it.:feelsbadman: 

Honestly nothing comes close to DMT, I didn't understand what ego death is before it. Your world completely dissolves in front of you and it completely shatters your views on the world. No matter who you are, DMT will rock your face clean off... No more urge to trip off anything ever again. Not after the BIG D..it ripped my ass in two.

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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19220821 - 12/03/13 06:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

FWIW, out of those two choices I'll pick DMT. Lucy is cool and all, but with spice I feel more comfortable going deeper because its so short-acting. I've been scared by both, but theres much less fucking around with DMT - its just goes straight to the point. The experiences are different too - they'll both take you wherever you want to go, but the journey is like the difference between a Bentley and a Ferrari.

My most memorable, deep psychedelic experience was actually a combination of kava (enough to feel completely relaxed), low dose shrooms (<2g dry), and several changa trips over the course of about 3-4 hours. The synergy was simply exceptional.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Global_Roaming]
    #19226125 - 12/04/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

LSD + nature

then afterwards you will be connected if you werent already :-)

same with mushrooms, but LSD really does something

started growing plants both in my garden and inside and taking walks in nature daily afterwards

probably my best trips.. I can spend hours looking at a houseplant sometimes :wink:

always take a walk in nature on LSD/mushrooms, it is magic
and the magic is the same without the drug too

tried sitting in the grass on LSD once and reconnecting, no words can describe that feeling
now Im addicted to nature

who needs DMT?:-)
but salvia can be nice, although maybe a little too intense
and I would think it would be the same with DMT... maybe too intense

I like my trips long, so LSD is best IMO
just very rarely that I can find lsd, maybe once or twice every 1-2 years


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: lessismore]
    #19226211 - 12/04/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Eight Circuit Model of Consciousness

Remember reading of Timothy Leary's word when describing such.  Interesting enough.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #19226317 - 12/04/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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who needs DMT?:-)
but salvia can be nice, although maybe a little too intense
and I would think it would be the same with DMT... maybe too intense

I like my trips long, so LSD is best IMO





LSD does can be very profound, and I have literally broken through on LSD for several hours while my consciousness exploded into a million fractals and my body was sitting there speaking in tongues for several hours, but i still say DMT has more . . . something, not sure what, but it is on a higher level than LSD.

There is a lot more going on there in there than what LSD has to offer. I can even begin to describe it with words because words do no justice to the experience. And it can easily last for hours if you take it orally.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #19226349 - 12/04/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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WhoManBeing said:
Eight Circuit Model of Consciousness

Remember reading of Timothy Leary's word when describing such.  Interesting enough.



Sounds almost like chakras

LSD definitely did something for me, have had symptoms from all my chakra points in my body..

did throw it out of balance a bit maybe, but think I got it flowing again with meditation

Overmind I know :-)
but it looked more like a UFO in the trip

think people call it the oversoul
it is interesting how thoughts/overview change once you get the energy flowing again,
when you find yourself

but not surprising, spirituality is real, there are many ways of activating the chakras
isnt always pleasant at first though

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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: lessismore]
    #19227453 - 12/04/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Once I ate a gram of dmt after dosing a strong portion of Rue. I must say that I reached quantum-level consciousness by Leary's circuits. Most of my memories from that experience encompass hoping that it won't be too long before the corners come back to the walls.

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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
    #19227490 - 12/04/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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why would DMT not be for everyone to try at least once? Is it not eye opening? Or at least for those who use psychedelics as a tool to figure out life & self. & even those who use it for "fun", experience meaningful trips.




Some people cannot handle shit that far out. That there are many other dimensions many of which are occupied with strange sentient consciousness.... some people would have there fucking minds blown in a bad way.... once you have a powerful breakthrough experience life can change drastically.

Same thing with L buy DMT is on a whole nother level!!! Did we mention it is a neurotransmitter??

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    #19227815 - 12/04/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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whole nother





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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19227828 - 12/04/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Liquid Glass, i'm curious as to how much LSD you took that time you described breaking through


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    #19228108 - 12/04/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I could not say how many micrograms, but it was in the 90's when geltabs were available. It took place at a drum circle in San Diego.  I took 3 geltabs, got impatient and 20 minutes later I ate 2 more. The fire pit was a huge cement square the size of a pallet. It had burned down to just orange hot coals. In my mind we were standing around a portal to another dimension. It felt like the beginning of time. I did not remember anything of my life at that moment and the notion that I had eaten acid was long gone. I remember seeing snow all over the ground and it does not snow in San Diego.

I remember thinking we all had to go into the portal but it seemed like everyone was afraid. I do not remember going in, but apparently I walked through thr coals. Luckily I had on some heavy leather boots and some friends that poured water on my boots when they had hot coals caked on the soles.  I did not know why they were throwing water at me so I retreated, and they followed. I tried to fight them. they had to tackle me down to pour water on the coals on my boots. After that, according to them, I just wandered around speaking in tongues for hours.  My mind was gone. It was like being a single cell in some huge bloodstream, but with no ego or consciousness whatsoever, no memory or recollection that I was or had ever been a human.

The next thing I knew it was as if i woke up from a nap, completely sober. There was no comedown. One second I was complete oblivion and the next I was standing there sober like WTF just happened.  There is a lot more to that experience but too long to type right now


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19228299 - 12/04/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Damn sounds intense. I've always been curious about drum circles. I never quite understood what those were about


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
    #19228495 - 12/04/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Isn't anyone going to say Ayahuasca or oral DMT? I mean smoked DMT is out of this world, but try turning your 2 minute breakthrough into a 4 hour breakthrough and see what fan of change comes.

Almost guaranteed ego death every time once you get the dosing down.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Couperj]
    #19228564 - 12/04/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

LSD is more powerful, IMO.  I've been taken to places by Lucy that DMT wishes it could take me.  I feel like smoked DMT is also gonna seem more powerful because of how short the duration is and how compacted the experience is.  That being said, I haven't tried oral DMT so I can't compare the intensity between LSD and ayahuasca.  It seems like if LSD were able to be in a similar form like smoked DMT, then the experiences might not be too different.

Also, take 1mg or more of LSD will be far more intense then a breakthrough of DMT.  The continuous mindfuck, feelings of love, and blissful psychedelia of a high dose acid trip will get you harder than the psychedelic roller coaster that is DMT, IME.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #19228606 - 12/04/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

any psychedelic can be equally intense IMO
they can all give you level5

not that you should go there too often though... changes a lot
I usually prefer level 3 or so, with occasional level4

doesnt matter to me if I do shrooms, LSD, salvia , only the duration and finding the right one for the setting,set matters
they can all be great

LSD is still my favorite though.. much love
just hard to find unless you got stable connections, not even sure I would want to try DMT (too short to bring stuff back IMO), but the oral DMT method sounds interesting.. (maybe b caapi and p viridis one day, got some leaves for free, just havent dared to make it yet.. have had them for maybe 4 years)

salvia is cool due to its wild randomness, even experienced trippers will be amazed/blown away


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: lessismore]
    #19228791 - 12/04/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would def go with DMT it will take you to  level 5 and beyond. I love LSD but i don't think i would like it at level 5, dmt will catapult your brain into another world in a matter of seconds and gently bring you back to reality:wink: good luck partner


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Couperj]
    #19228867 - 12/04/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Isn't anyone going to say Ayahuasca or oral DMT? I mean smoked DMT is out of this world, but try turning your 2 minute breakthrough into a 4 hour breakthrough and see what fan of change comes.

Almost guaranteed ego death every time once you get the dosing down.




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