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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19218502 - 12/02/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Wow, some people actually think LSD is more powerful than DMT? That is simply not true. Watch some documentaries and read up on some trip reports on DMT, it is NOTHING like LSD. And yeah, you could kind of say that LSD is more personal and reflective, but if you felt like you got nothing out of your DMT trip, you either need to try it in ayahuasca form or you did it wrong and did not break through. A vaporized DMT trip is a 1000 years of experience packed into a few minutes.




Have broken through on ayahuasca... Have broken through on DMT more times than I can count on my digits... LSD ain't to be fucked with. Instead of reading trip reports and documentaries why don't you see for yourself?

I didn't say I got nothing out of DMT, I said in comparison to longer lasting psyches it's not quite as valuable. DMT wont do shit for you in comparison to ayahuasca, and though I haven't pushed the potential of LSD quite as high as I have DMT, even in the 5 tabs range it's far more psychologically demanding than smoked DMT




Have you tried other long lasting psychs like the DOx's?  I've read of people having long lasting spiritual change coming off DOC and DOM.  And of course Mescaline seems to do the same thing.  Most people seem to get more out of mescaline and lsd over breakthrough smoked DMT doses so maybe the duration does have something to do with it,


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19218518 - 12/02/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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No no, I am aware and I'm not doing it for "fun". I am a psychology major in college, possibly changing to physics, and I want to use psychedelics as a tool to deeper explore the human mind and subconscious. Some things you just can't be taught in any school.



If your really looking to explore consciousness, I would seriously look into ordering some syrian rue seeds and doing a simple manske extraction on them.  Then try LSD with the harmala alkoloids.  To this day its been the most powerfully life changing combo I've ever tried.  I always throw :nitrous: on top of it though:awecid:






I did not do the harmalas, but recently me and a freind took some real properly potent LSD and both tried nitrous on it for the first time ever and all I can say is HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! Definitely blasts you out of yourself for a second


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Jesus Cristo]
    #19218875 - 12/02/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Wow, some people actually think LSD is more powerful than DMT? That is simply not true. Watch some documentaries and read up on some trip reports on DMT, it is NOTHING like LSD. And yeah, you could kind of say that LSD is more personal and reflective, but if you felt like you got nothing out of your DMT trip, you either need to try it in ayahuasca form or you did it wrong and did not break through. A vaporized DMT trip is a 1000 years of experience packed into a few minutes.




Have broken through on ayahuasca... Have broken through on DMT more times than I can count on my digits... LSD ain't to be fucked with. Instead of reading trip reports and documentaries why don't you see for yourself?

I didn't say I got nothing out of DMT, I said in comparison to longer lasting psyches it's not quite as valuable. DMT wont do shit for you in comparison to ayahuasca, and though I haven't pushed the potential of LSD quite as high as I have DMT, even in the 5 tabs range it's far more psychologically demanding than smoked DMT




Have you tried other long lasting psychs like the DOx's?  I've read of people having long lasting spiritual change coming off DOC and DOM.  And of course Mescaline seems to do the same thing.  Most people seem to get more out of mescaline and lsd over breakthrough smoked DMT doses so maybe the duration does have something to do with it,



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Wow, some people actually think LSD is more powerful than DMT? That is simply not true. Watch some documentaries and read up on some trip reports on DMT, it is NOTHING like LSD. And yeah, you could kind of say that LSD is more personal and reflective, but if you felt like you got nothing out of your DMT trip, you either need to try it in ayahuasca form or you did it wrong and did not break through. A vaporized DMT trip is a 1000 years of experience packed into a few minutes.




Have broken through on ayahuasca... Have broken through on DMT more times than I can count on my digits... LSD ain't to be fucked with. Instead of reading trip reports and documentaries why don't you see for yourself?

I didn't say I got nothing out of DMT, I said in comparison to longer lasting psyches it's not quite as valuable. DMT wont do shit for you in comparison to ayahuasca, and though I haven't pushed the potential of LSD quite as high as I have DMT, even in the 5 tabs range it's far more psychologically demanding than smoked DMT




Have you tried other long lasting psychs like the DOx's?  I've read of people having long lasting spiritual change coming off DOC and DOM.  And of course Mescaline seems to do the same thing.  Most people seem to get more out of mescaline and lsd over breakthrough smoked DMT doses so maybe the duration does have something to do with it,




I'm actually picking up DOC this very second :laugh:


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19218913 - 12/02/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:kimjongil: oh man ur gonna love it!


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19218967 - 12/02/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Potency in effects by weight is irrelevant to almost anything




I would agree, just wanted to put it out there.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19219101 - 12/02/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

All DOx suck. Make you feel like shit and you trip for 30 hours. You can't go to bed, your mind seems :monkeydance: going off the walls, and the worst is the leg cramps. Can't just lay down and relax because otherwise your legs will feel like complete shit. Terrible experience IMHO. Fun to do once but after that I don't know how people continually dose on it.:feelsbadman: 

Honestly nothing comes close to DMT, I didn't understand what ego death is before it. Your world completely dissolves in front of you and it completely shatters your views on the world. No matter who you are, DMT will rock your face clean off... No more urge to trip off anything ever again. Not after the BIG D..it ripped my ass in two.

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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19219107 - 12/02/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think what some people may be forgetting is that we are talking about an "ego death" dose of LSD compared to one of DMT. People usually only eat 2 or 3 hits of acid, when they should eat maybe eight or ten, if they have climbed their way up the dosing ladder as they should be doing, as responsible cosmic citizens.

I prefer to eat massive doses of LSD, and I find it jarrs me less than a massive dose of DMT, oral or smoked. I've tripped dozens and dozens of times on ten strips and twenty strips the next night, and I would say that LSD has a "protection factor", or rather your brain/"spirit" has one, a more effective one than it does when high-dosing dmt.

I will eat ten hits of acid and be ok to drive, because I've done it lots of times. I have done dmt lots of times, and I would not attempt to drive on a smoked dose.

I can, however, attest to the fact that LSD is just as far out as DMT dose-wise, and combining lsd and tryptamines is where it's at. The question shouldn't be, "should I try dmt or lsd for an breakthrough experience?", it should be "how many mushrooms should I eat if I eat ten hits of acid for a breakthrough experience?". I would say at least an eighth.

Jettison the fears of being too "far out" along with your ego, and you'll find out how selfish such fears are.

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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19219128 - 12/02/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

lsd always seemed more real to me and therefore taught me real life lessons and real memories. I remember on cheese/phish tour's back in the day i used to take 4-10 hits of great lucy(spiderman/UFOs/black pyramid's/window pane)depending on strength and had great times in the right place with the right people it was definitely more of a positive lifechangeing thing .  the deemsters is fun as hell at first but more like exploring different possibilities of thought that are not quite as use full and more like a mental yoga that cleanses me and has made me too not want to trip lately. i wonder if aya is the best of both worlds.
also i hear that large doses of shrooms are the kinda the same as aya or dmt and they are closely alike anyone second this?


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
    #19219312 - 12/02/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think what some people may be forgetting is that we are talking about an "ego death" dose of LSD compared to one of DMT. People usually only eat 2 or 3 hits of acid, when they should eat maybe eight or ten, if they have climbed their way up the dosing ladder as they should be doing, as responsible cosmic citizens.

I prefer to eat massive doses of LSD, and I find it jarrs me less than a massive dose of DMT, oral or smoked. I've tripped dozens and dozens of times on ten strips and twenty strips the next night, and I would say that LSD has a "protection factor", or rather your brain/"spirit" has one, a more effective one than it does when high-dosing dmt.

I will eat ten hits of acid and be ok to drive, because I've done it lots of times. I have done dmt lots of times, and I would not attempt to drive on a smoked dose.

I can, however, attest to the fact that LSD is just as far out as DMT dose-wise, and combining lsd and tryptamines is where it's at. The question shouldn't be, "should I try dmt or lsd for an breakthrough experience?", it should be "how many mushrooms should I eat if I eat ten hits of acid for a breakthrough experience?". I would say at least an eighth.

Jettison the fears of being too "far out" along with your ego, and you'll find out how selfish such fears are.

Love is the Law,

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You couldn't even get close to doing DMT in a car while driving... You can't move or think, let alone drive.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19219968 - 12/02/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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No no, I am aware and I'm not doing it for "fun". I am a psychology major in college, possibly changing to physics, and I want to use psychedelics as a tool to deeper explore the human mind and subconscious. Some things you just can't be taught in any school.



If your really looking to explore consciousness, I would seriously look into ordering some syrian rue seeds and doing a simple manske extraction on them.  Then try LSD with the harmala alkoloids.  To this day its been the most powerfully life changing combo I've ever tried.  I always throw :nitrous: on top of it though:awecid:






I did not do the harmalas, but recently me and a freind took some real properly potent LSD and both tried nitrous on it for the first time ever and all I can say is HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! Definitely blasts you out of yourself for a second


I like popping 2 cartridges in a balloon when I'm peaking.  I huff the nitrous till I get the desired OEV's.  It's a fully adjustable psychedelic...What else could you want?:manofapproval:


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: cez]
    #19219982 - 12/02/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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LSD is such a gentle "level 5" experience IMO.
The come up seems slow and steady, making it quite comfortable and before you know it you are gone.

Its beautiful :awesome:



Yup, dont even feel it, hm..what just happened?.. unconscious for a few hours

then next few months I find out I changed :wink:

now I try to stay below level5 most of the time

level4 on shrooms on the other hand, that is intense

salvia is beyond level categorizing almost, no way I could put that into category, havent dared to go very far with salvia

havent tried DMT and dont plan to, LSD is perfect IMO, good for connecting with my inner self,nature and others etc.
shrooms can be a bit random for me, even at 1/8th


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: lessismore]
    #19220292 - 12/03/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Whose an expert? Is there such a thing? Are self proclaimed experts pretentious?

Anywho, I am no expert by any means but I'd suggest that LSD is more powerful but that could also be subjective. It's definitely more powerful by weight though. See you have to think, we typically take LSD sublingually or orally while we typically smoke DMT (unless we're talking ayahuasca but that's a combination so I'm not referring to it here), so were comparing two different ROAs as well as two different psychoactives. If you could smoke LSD then I'm sure it would equal DMT in intensity. Of course if you smoke the same amount of LSD as you smoke DMT then I'm sure LSD woud most likely be much more powerful. You also have to take into account that LSD typically comes on slower than tryptamines and so it feels weaker because it builds you up while DMT just throws you into the experience. Overall I think that if the chosen ROA was injection and the dosage was equal then LSD would be far more powerful. If the dosage was altered then either it could be a toss up.

The one thing that could change this VITAL piece of information is the personal brain chemistry, the personal psyche and the subjective nature of a psychedelic experience. In other words..

WHO THE FUCK KNOWS?


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19220778 - 12/03/13 06:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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All DOx suck. Make you feel like shit and you trip for 30 hours. You can't go to bed, your mind seems :monkeydance: going off the walls, and the worst is the leg cramps. Can't just lay down and relax because otherwise your legs will feel like complete shit. Terrible experience IMHO. Fun to do once but after that I don't know how people continually dose on it.:feelsbadman: 

Honestly nothing comes close to DMT, I didn't understand what ego death is before it. Your world completely dissolves in front of you and it completely shatters your views on the world. No matter who you are, DMT will rock your face clean off... No more urge to trip off anything ever again. Not after the BIG D..it ripped my ass in two.

:vibin:

:aweyeah:




Have you tried DOC specifically? Many people hate the others but love this one


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19220821 - 12/03/13 06:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

FWIW, out of those two choices I'll pick DMT. Lucy is cool and all, but with spice I feel more comfortable going deeper because its so short-acting. I've been scared by both, but theres much less fucking around with DMT - its just goes straight to the point. The experiences are different too - they'll both take you wherever you want to go, but the journey is like the difference between a Bentley and a Ferrari.

My most memorable, deep psychedelic experience was actually a combination of kava (enough to feel completely relaxed), low dose shrooms (<2g dry), and several changa trips over the course of about 3-4 hours. The synergy was simply exceptional.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Global_Roaming]
    #19226125 - 12/04/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

LSD + nature

then afterwards you will be connected if you werent already :-)

same with mushrooms, but LSD really does something

started growing plants both in my garden and inside and taking walks in nature daily afterwards

probably my best trips.. I can spend hours looking at a houseplant sometimes :wink:

always take a walk in nature on LSD/mushrooms, it is magic
and the magic is the same without the drug too

tried sitting in the grass on LSD once and reconnecting, no words can describe that feeling
now Im addicted to nature

who needs DMT?:-)
but salvia can be nice, although maybe a little too intense
and I would think it would be the same with DMT... maybe too intense

I like my trips long, so LSD is best IMO
just very rarely that I can find lsd, maybe once or twice every 1-2 years


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: lessismore]
    #19226211 - 12/04/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Eight Circuit Model of Consciousness

Remember reading of Timothy Leary's word when describing such.  Interesting enough.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #19226317 - 12/04/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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who needs DMT?:-)
but salvia can be nice, although maybe a little too intense
and I would think it would be the same with DMT... maybe too intense

I like my trips long, so LSD is best IMO





LSD does can be very profound, and I have literally broken through on LSD for several hours while my consciousness exploded into a million fractals and my body was sitting there speaking in tongues for several hours, but i still say DMT has more . . . something, not sure what, but it is on a higher level than LSD.

There is a lot more going on there in there than what LSD has to offer. I can even begin to describe it with words because words do no justice to the experience. And it can easily last for hours if you take it orally.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #19226349 - 12/04/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Eight Circuit Model of Consciousness

Remember reading of Timothy Leary's word when describing such.  Interesting enough.



Sounds almost like chakras

LSD definitely did something for me, have had symptoms from all my chakra points in my body..

did throw it out of balance a bit maybe, but think I got it flowing again with meditation

Overmind I know :-)
but it looked more like a UFO in the trip

think people call it the oversoul
it is interesting how thoughts/overview change once you get the energy flowing again,
when you find yourself

but not surprising, spirituality is real, there are many ways of activating the chakras
isnt always pleasant at first though

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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: lessismore]
    #19227453 - 12/04/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Once I ate a gram of dmt after dosing a strong portion of Rue. I must say that I reached quantum-level consciousness by Leary's circuits. Most of my memories from that experience encompass hoping that it won't be too long before the corners come back to the walls.

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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
    #19227490 - 12/04/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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why would DMT not be for everyone to try at least once? Is it not eye opening? Or at least for those who use psychedelics as a tool to figure out life & self. & even those who use it for "fun", experience meaningful trips.




Some people cannot handle shit that far out. That there are many other dimensions many of which are occupied with strange sentient consciousness.... some people would have there fucking minds blown in a bad way.... once you have a powerful breakthrough experience life can change drastically.

Same thing with L buy DMT is on a whole nother level!!! Did we mention it is a neurotransmitter??

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