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DirtyTomFlint
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19215987 - 12/02/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, some people actually think LSD is more powerful than DMT? That is simply not true. Watch some documentaries and read up on some trip reports on DMT, it is NOTHING like LSD. And yeah, you could kind of say that LSD is more personal and reflective, but if you felt like you got nothing out of your DMT trip, you either need to try it in ayahuasca form or you did it wrong and did not break through. A vaporized DMT trip is a 1000 years of experience packed into a few minutes.
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
#19215997 - 12/02/13 05:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DatIslandLife said: Wow, some people actually think LSD is more powerful than DMT? That is simply not true. Watch some documentaries and read up on some trip reports on DMT, it is NOTHING like LSD. And yeah, you could kind of say that LSD is more personal and reflective, but if you felt like you got nothing out of your DMT trip, you either need to try it in ayahuasca form or you did it wrong and did not break through. A vaporized DMT trip is a 1000 years of experience packed into a few minutes.
Have broken through on ayahuasca... Have broken through on DMT more times than I can count on my digits... LSD ain't to be fucked with. Instead of reading trip reports and documentaries why don't you see for yourself?
I didn't say I got nothing out of DMT, I said in comparison to longer lasting psyches it's not quite as valuable. DMT wont do shit for you in comparison to ayahuasca, and though I haven't pushed the potential of LSD quite as high as I have DMT, even in the 5 tabs range it's far more psychologically demanding than smoked DMT
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19216017 - 12/02/13 06:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't say I got nothing out of DMT, I said in comparison to longer lasting psyches it's not quite as valuable. DMT wont do shit for you in comparison to ayahuasca, and though I haven't pushed the potential of LSD quite as high as I have DMT, even in the 5 tabs range it's far more psychologically demanding than smoked DMT
Well then it boils down to what you define as 'valuable' or 'something taken' from an experience.
EDIT: I was responding to OP btw, not you lol
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
#19216301 - 12/02/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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In a normal dose of acid & normal dose of DMT, which trip is the most, for lack of a better word "powerful" ??
DMT is more powerful but not when smoked. You have to take it orally i a brew so you can see the true value. BUT its not to be fucked around lightly because it WILL be powerful.
Smoking DMT is bullshit and will give you nothing of value that lasts. Smoking DMT is for exclusively for people who DO NOT understand what is all about. Smoking DMT is for stupid hipster jerks
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: rikuni]
#19216312 - 12/02/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
#19216338 - 12/02/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've smoked a lot of DMT in my life, and I've taken a lot of LSD in my life. Comparing the two is apples to oranges. Sure a DMT breakthrough is unlike anything else, and I have reaped some benefits from my experiences with it, but the fact remains that it's far less of a personal experience for me. I travel to different worlds, meet entities. The most straight up religious experience of my life was on DMT. 80mgs vaped in three huge tokes. But it was totally different than an LSD trip. LSD is a journey, not a rocket launch. That alone changes the dynamic. Sure a DMT breakthrough is a timeless experience.....but LSD is a whole other beast.
DMT is not more powerful than LSD, just powerful in a different way. Now if you're eating low-moderate doses of LSD, sure. Eating 1,000+ mics with no tolerance though... That's easily as unfolding as a DMT breakthrough. No connection to reality, ego-loss, living different lives, etc..... Doesn't matter if your eyes are open or not, and this experience last hours in real time. Furthermore, vaped DMT doesn't have the psychological effect that LSD does. I don't really get ego-loss from it, with the possible exception of the highest point of that 80mg experience. I always remained cognizant of who I was. It's just that I was in a totally different place. Whereas LSD shattered me into a million different pieces & taught me things about myself that nothing else has.
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Dark_Star]
#19216413 - 12/02/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dark_Star said: I've smoked a lot of DMT in my life, and I've taken a lot of LSD in my life. Comparing the two is apples to oranges. Sure a DMT breakthrough is unlike anything else, and I have reaped some benefits from my experiences with it, but the fact remains that it's far less of a personal experience for me. I travel to different worlds, meet entities. The most straight up religious experience of my life was on DMT. 80mgs vaped in three huge tokes. But it was totally different than an LSD trip. LSD is a journey, not a rocket launch. That alone changes the dynamic. Sure a DMT breakthrough is a timeless experience.....but LSD is a whole other beast.
DMT is not more powerful than LSD, just powerful in a different way. Now if you're eating low-moderate doses of LSD, sure. Eating 1,000+ mics with no tolerance though... That's easily as unfolding as a DMT breakthrough. No connection to reality, ego-loss, living different lives, etc..... Doesn't matter if your eyes are open or not, and this experience last hours in real time. Furthermore, vaped DMT doesn't have the psychological effect that LSD does. I don't really get ego-loss from it, with the possible exception of the highest point of that 80mg experience. I always remained cognizant of who I was. It's just that I was in a totally different place. Whereas LSD shattered me into a million different pieces & taught me things about myself that nothing else has.
Dark star, do you have experience with Ayahuasca? I'm curious how it compares to high doses of LSD. Only reason i ask is because Ayahuasca is the only long acting serotogenic psychedelic that i have taken in sufficiently high doses to be completely out of touch with normal reality. Coming out of it I was convinced that none of the classics could ever touch the raw intensity of that, but after slowly coming off that high horse for a few months I feel like I was just taking insanely large doses of it in comparison to anything else I've taken. I remember Joe Molly writing something once where he said that in large enough doses none of those drugs are really any different than one another and I'm wondering your take on that since you seem decently experienced. I used to want to experience the tenstrip, but after doing Aya a couple times it feels completely unnecessary, unless im truly missing out on something
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19216500 - 12/02/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've never taken ayahuasca. But yeah, any of the classics can offer that same raw intensity. I'd imagine that many of the non-classics can as well. I know for a fact that DPT does. The subjective effects such as body high, visuals and whatnot are different from substance to substance, but once you are completely gone it makes no difference. The difference in subjective effects comes during the journey there & the journey back. If you've been there the only thing you're missing out on by not taking a tenstrip is a different road there. Which, at the end of the day is unnecessary.
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Dark_Star]
#19216551 - 12/02/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dark_Star said: I've never taken ayahuasca. But yeah, any of the classics can offer that same raw intensity. I'd imagine that many of the non-classics can as well. I know for a fact that DPT does. The subjective effects such as body high, visuals and whatnot are different from substance to substance, but once you are completely gone it makes no difference. The difference in subjective effects comes during the journey there & the journey back. If you've been there the only thing you're missing out on by not taking a tenstrip is a different road there. Which, at the end of the day is unnecessary.
Yeah that's what i figured. I was kind of hoping you would have had some experience with ayahuasca as a lot of people classify it as "extremely different" but at the end of the day, i suppose those are the same people saying DMT is more intense than LSD. People getting dosed by hardheaded shamans or smoking a lung full of DMT and trying to compare it to their measly 300 mics of LSD.
But if that's the case then I'm in no rush to ever down a mg of LSD. Taking ayahuasca feels like i'm narrowly slipping by a permanent psychosis, i don't see the point in prolonging that. Not to say nobody should ever dive that deep, but you have to draw some sort of line with that shit or i don't imagine the game ending very pleasantly
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19217001 - 12/02/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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LSDs expirence lasts too long.. So id say, do DMT.
But to be perfectly honest. If your just looking to kill your ego. There is no quicker way IMO then taking a huge bong hit of a really strong Salvia extract; then doing a really big nitrous whippet!!
That shit will swallow you whole. Murder your ego, and leave you slumped over, confused, and scared. Yes, the expirence is overwhelmingly violent, but as i said. There is no faster way to truley kill your ego.
Ego death isnt a "fun expirence" in my book..
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: 420happyhippy]
#19217214 - 12/02/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No no, I am aware and I'm not doing it for "fun". I am a psychology major in college, possibly changing to physics, and I want to use psychedelics as a tool to deeper explore the human mind and subconscious. Some things you just can't be taught in any school.
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19217663 - 12/02/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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JacksonMetaller said: People just tend to take DMT further because it's shorter acting and therefor leaves less room for psychological damage. However, a smoked DMT trip is one of the most cosmic and bizarre experiences, but not quite as useful as any oral trip like LSD. You meet some aliens, they show you universal conscience and what the meaning of beauty is and then you get returned back home. You may be glowing for a day or two but its far too quick to gain much long term from it. However, after experiencing full fledged ego death on ayahuasca I do not recommend that shit with LSD. 4 hours is more than enough to completely break you and leave you feeling vulnerable for what seems like eternity. I don't recommend it to anyone inexperienced either. Words can not describe the intensity. Going in I'll prepared has fucked people in the long term
Ego death is something you should only do if you're looking to seriously gain something from it IMO.
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
#19217718 - 12/02/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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HappyHooligan said: No no, I am aware and I'm not doing it for "fun". I am a psychology major in college, possibly changing to physics, and I want to use psychedelics as a tool to deeper explore the human mind and subconscious. Some things you just can't be taught in any school.
If your really looking to explore consciousness, I would seriously look into ordering some syrian rue seeds and doing a simple manske extraction on them. Then try LSD with the harmala alkoloids. To this day its been the most powerfully life changing combo I've ever tried. I always throw on top of it though
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Dark_Star]
#19217738 - 12/02/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dark_Star said: DMT is not more powerful than LSD, just powerful in a different way. Now if you're eating low-moderate doses of LSD, sure. Eating 1,000+ mics with no tolerance though... That's easily as unfolding as a DMT breakthrough. No connection to reality, ego-loss, living different lives, etc..... Doesn't matter if your eyes are open or not, and this experience last hours in real time. Furthermore, vaped DMT doesn't have the psychological effect that LSD does. I don't really get ego-loss from it, with the possible exception of the highest point of that 80mg experience. I always remained cognizant of who I was. It's just that I was in a totally different place. Whereas LSD shattered me into a million different pieces & taught me things about myself that nothing else has.
I like what is said here. Also, LSD is factually the most potent psychedelic in the world. Don't argue, you can't dispute it. LSD is active in amounts under 1mg, far less than any available drug in the world. In that sense of weight-threshold-dosage, LSD is the most 'potent' psych.
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
#19217885 - 12/02/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Perhaps the most "potent". But IMO not really the most powerfull. DMT visuals have the distinct characteristic of being more "real" then reality to me. Even with ridiculously high doses of LSD protentiated with harmala, I never really thought I was gonna die. I mean the thought never even came across. DMT however, as soon as I finished that 3rd hit, the first thing on my mind was, "Oh shit, I fucking did it now! I'm not coming back from this one."
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#19218240 - 12/02/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Greenarrow that's how I feel after smoking dmt, actually that combined with "something alien and ancient is coming out of the room to hold me hostage..Pizarenehuge..." And then I can't understand language. Pizarenehuge, simplesnooge.
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
#19218299 - 12/02/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DatIslandLife said:
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Dark_Star said: DMT is not more powerful than LSD, just powerful in a different way. Now if you're eating low-moderate doses of LSD, sure. Eating 1,000+ mics with no tolerance though... That's easily as unfolding as a DMT breakthrough. No connection to reality, ego-loss, living different lives, etc..... Doesn't matter if your eyes are open or not, and this experience last hours in real time. Furthermore, vaped DMT doesn't have the psychological effect that LSD does. I don't really get ego-loss from it, with the possible exception of the highest point of that 80mg experience. I always remained cognizant of who I was. It's just that I was in a totally different place. Whereas LSD shattered me into a million different pieces & taught me things about myself that nothing else has.
I like what is said here. Also, LSD is factually the most potent psychedelic in the world. Don't argue, you can't dispute it. LSD is active in amounts under 1mg, far less than any available drug in the world. In that sense of weight-threshold-dosage, LSD is the most 'potent' psych.
Don't quite me but I believe salvia is more potent. There are more potent ergolines as well
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19218310 - 12/02/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Potency in effects by weight is irrelevant to almost anything
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
#19218378 - 12/02/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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MagicalOrangutan said: Potency in effects by weight is irrelevant to almost anything
Exactly. I was just debating his "undebatable" point :P haha. But potency is irrelevant to subjective strength
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19218403 - 12/02/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah. It's purely about the relative strength of effect A vs effect B vs effect C etc.
Mescaline has low mind fuck in relation to body high and euphoria. shrooms have strong effects on ability to concentrate in relation to visuals. both have very low toxicity relative to to all their psychological effects. Etc.
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