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OfflineHappyHooligan
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DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted.
    #19214603 - 12/01/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

When it comes to reaching Level 5 (I'm talking serious death of ego, talking to higher powers, all those life changing experiences) 

Which drug is more powerful?
Most of the level 5 trips I've read have been from DMT? I always thought acid was THE highest drug but now I'm wondering if DMT is a step above it?

In a normal dose of acid & normal dose of DMT, which trip is the most, for lack of a better word "powerful" ??


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
    #19214655 - 12/01/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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but now I'm wondering if DMT is a step above it?





Yes


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19214730 - 12/01/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

LiquidGlass said:
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but now I'm wondering if DMT is a step above it?





Yes




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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: blackstatis]
    #19215060 - 12/01/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In terms of taking you to other worlds, I guess dmt is a step above everything


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: MagicalOrangutan] * 1
    #19215126 - 12/01/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

reaching level 5 on LSD sound incredibly dangerous without an impeccable setting and experienced sitter, not to mention absolute knowledge that what you have is LSD


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Agentchewy]
    #19215158 - 12/01/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

LSD is such a gentle "level 5" experience IMO.
The come up seems slow and steady, making it quite comfortable and before you know it you are gone.

Its beautiful :awesome:


Edited by cez (12/01/13 11:29 PM)


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: cez]
    #19215186 - 12/01/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Gentle? Interesting..have you ever tried mescaline cez?


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: cez]
    #19215190 - 12/01/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've smoked DMT before to a sub-breakthrough dose only, and so far the experience has seemed very otherworldly and impersonal. LSD on the other hand is so emotional and reflective. I can't help but think that a true LSD breakthrough (1000+ mics I'm guessing) would be more intense than DMT in some ways because it has more personal significance. I'm not denying that smoked DMT is more earth shattering and visual, but does it really change lives like acid??

Anyone wanna chime in? I'm genuinely curious.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19215229 - 12/01/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

MagicalOrangutan said:
Gentle? Interesting..have you ever tried mescaline cez?




No :sad:

Its on my to do list.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
    #19215265 - 12/01/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In a "normal" dose of each, DMT I would imagine.

I think you'd need to take a good dose of acid to reach a comparable head space to a DMT blastoff

But both experiences would be powerful


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19215318 - 12/01/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

so would it be better to drop acid first, then months later do DMT? like try them in order of intensity to better prepare for the trip?


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
    #19215343 - 12/01/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Naw dmt was my first psychedelic. I mean it only lasts a few minutes


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Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky
We all need more love, and mainly less hate
Hate is the blind that covers the heart's eye
That makes the heart's eye cry
Locked deep away in the skies of our minds

It's all in the mind


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19215381 - 12/02/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

that's the main reason why I am so interested in DMT. That it can be soo powerful but only last such a short amount of time! Like even if I feel like I'm in eternity, It would be over soon... but with acid, 10 hours?? I'd probably freak out because it just seems too long.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
    #19215417 - 12/02/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

DMT is not for fucking around ladies and gentlemen.  There are some real big fish out there.
"Powerful" can mean alot of different things. But DMT is like the drive-by shooting of psychedelics.  But I'd say LSD changed my reality tunnel the most permanently.:trippinbawelz:
And while I personally believe that LSD should be given to everybody over the age of 18 that have no pre-existing mental disorder or family history of schizoid behaviour.  Deep inside I don't think that everybody should dose DMT.  Its not for the casual psychedelic user.:jimmies:


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19215453 - 12/02/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

why would DMT not be for everyone to try at least once? Is it not eye opening? Or at least for those who use psychedelics as a tool to figure out life & self. & even those who use it for "fun", experience meaningful trips.


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan] * 1
    #19215490 - 12/02/13 12:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You try it and tell me :smile:


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equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19215506 - 12/02/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

might not happen for a while, but I will return to this post and comment when I do!


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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
    #19215509 - 12/02/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:wizard:GOOD VIBES


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sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: HappyHooligan]
    #19215641 - 12/02/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've never had dmt but I've studied it, read hundreds of trip reports and I do have lots of first hand experience with lsd.

IMO, it REALLY depends on the person and factors like when the last you  tripped and Possibly body weight. For example I had some tabs that were about 150ug per tab one night with my friends and my friend J had 2. 3 hours later I'm loving everything we were in the desert having a spiritual experience but J kept seeing "Helicopter lights" and "headlights" and I realized then he was getting into an ego death.

I had lost my ego but since I tripped real frequently I wasn't tripping half as hard as he was. When we got to my house later he was so confused it scared all of us, mainly because he was the driver and couldn't understand or finish sentences. He didn't know where he was, who he was, what time it was, he didn't understand what a house was at one point and thought he was stuck in my backyard. It was bad, I was jealous though cause I took 3 150 tabs and didn't get the ego death and I was the only one that could handle it at the time.

All that taken into account you would need IMO anywhere from 200-400mcg+ of lucy for an ego death.

Deemster us a whole different beast though, you break though into another world with entities, machine elves, and very intensely profound experiences. I have had breakthroughs on saliva where I saw my whole life flash before me on a film reel. Also it showed me the infinite possibilities to the future. On other salvia trips I have had I started throwing up and swinging my bong because my body turned into a fleshy piece of a railroad track and I was flattened by miles of train.

Through all those salvia trips every breakthrough was both terrifying and amazing. I bet Deemster is way more beautiful but more frightening as well,



If you're looking for an ego death I'd say start with high doses of mushies

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Re: DMT & LSD expert users, your opinions are wanted. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #19215964 - 12/02/13 05:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

People just tend to take DMT further because it's shorter acting and therefor leaves less room for psychological damage. However, a smoked DMT trip is one of the most cosmic and bizarre experiences, but not quite as useful as any oral trip like LSD. You meet some aliens, they show you universal conscience and what the meaning of beauty is and then you get returned back home. You may be glowing for a day or two but its far too quick to gain much long term from it. However, after experiencing full fledged ego death on ayahuasca I do not recommend that shit with LSD. 4 hours is more than enough to completely break you and leave you feeling vulnerable for what seems like eternity. I don't recommend it to anyone inexperienced either. Words can not describe the intensity. Going in I'll prepared has fucked people in the long term

Ego death is something you should only do if you're looking to seriously gain something from it IMO.


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