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Fungi
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Horrible Cactus experience
#19211298 - 12/01/13 06:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok I am probably one of the only few people who this has happened to but 2 days ago I took some raw Bridgesii juice and some cooked syrup. The syrup was fine one month ago when I first tried it, then I froze the rest and kept it.
I think what made this trip horrible was Syrian Rue. 3 of my friends and I made tea out of 8 grams of Syrian Rue. We drank it 1 hour before drinking the raw cactus juice. Two of my friends drank literally a third of what me and my other mate drank.
I was the only one who spewed after 1 hour. The effects came on and I was having a decent time however something felt odd... I was very slow and sluggish and the nausea was coming in waves.
We also all drank ginger and lemon essential oil.
My other friend who took as much as I did never vomited. He started tripping really hard and all he was saying was "This is so good", "Lets have sex (hes not gay either)", "Wow this is amazing" and so on... he was like a broken record. Just kept at it, it was a bit embarrassing as we were at a bush dance festival.
After about 6 hours of tripping I started to feel horrible nausea and felt that I needed to go back to the tent... the trip was no longer enjoyable, I could hardly piss, terrible nausea and just really shitty feeling. My friend who was tripping really hard also started feeling horrible. He was panicking, saying really negative things, wanted to go home and call his girlfriend. The guy was in a very bad space. No amount of talking to him could help. He was again like a broken record.
We were lying in the tent waiting for this bad experiwnce to finish which really sucks because I tripped on cooked syrup a month ago and I had the most amazing mescaline trip ever. No negatives at all.
Then it hit me, what if the Syrian Rue and the other raw alkoloids in the bridgesii really fucked us up? Mescaline is only one of the alkoloids presents, but what about all the other ones, full spectrum cactus?
We took the raw juice at 5,30 pm and I could barely get some shut eye around 6 am but even then I probably got less than 30 mins of sleep. We got up around 10 am after hearing my friend crying all night which sucked cos we had no sleeping pills or xanax or any benzos to calm him down. The guy also said "im going to die" which was just him being afraid... horrible trip Ive ever seen.
Anyway around 10 am, we all got up and went to get some food, at this stage my friend said to take him home... poor guy, we ended up leaving the festival. I got home, had a magnesium spa to relax and then fell asleep for a few hours. Ended up waking up at 9 pm... bummed around till 2 am and then slept like a baby till 11 am the next morning.
Ive read online that Syrian Rue and raw cactus is fine but clearly this really fucked me and my friend up... Im never touching syrian rue ever again and will ALWAYS cook my cactus, never raw again.
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nicechrisman
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Re: Horrible Cactus experience [Re: Fungi]
#19211385 - 12/01/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've heard it theorized that it may not be a good idea to take maois like rue along with cactus. I've heard of people doing it without having a bad experience, but maybe they didn't take as much as you.
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4HO-DMT


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Re: Horrible Cactus experience [Re: Fungi]
#19211904 - 12/01/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry to hear about the bad experience. Cactus can be very forgiving. But, in high doses, there is a pronounced head-fuck and the syrian rue may have exacerbated this.
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s240779

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Re: Horrible Cactus experience [Re: Fungi]
#19211918 - 12/01/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've heard rue can be toxic -- how you prepare it determines whether a sufficient amount of the toxins makes it into the end product. That's what I've heard.
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SnowDaze
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Re: Horrible Cactus experience [Re: s240779]
#19212442 - 12/01/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i thought you dont mix maoi and cactus??
bummer that happened to you bro
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MagicalOrangutan
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Re: Horrible Cactus experience [Re: SnowDaze]
#19212489 - 12/01/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It wasn't that it was raw at all, it was just the rue, sir
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ShroomDoom
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Re: Horrible Cactus experience [Re: Fungi]
#19212615 - 12/01/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Fungi said: Ive read online that Syrian Rue and raw cactus is fine but clearly this really fucked me and my friend up... Im never touching syrian rue ever again and will ALWAYS cook my cactus, never raw again.
The synergy from this combo is really powerful. I would probably be pretty uncomfortable tripping that hard at an outdoor fest. At least you're OK and that's the important thing. I don't think you should write off raw cactus completely either just give it a shot without rue next time.
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modern.shaman
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Re: Horrible Cactus experience [Re: ShroomDoom]
#19213596 - 12/01/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did you take 8 grams of Syrian Rue or was that split between the 3 of you? Anything over 4 grams starts to give extreme nausea especially if your drinking the seeds. BTW cappi brew would be better than rue as it's also a MAOI-B which is needed for the cactus' effects to be amplified you only get a small amount of 'boost' from rue and cactus.
I've used this combo before without any ill-effects but like I mentioned there was not much boost.
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Magicman69
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Registered: 05/29/13
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Yup I've read on this forum it can be dangerous to take MAOIs with Cactus. Don't blame the cactus, who's bright idea was it to add the Syrian rue?
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monkeybus
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Re: Horrible Cactus experience [Re: Magicman69]
#19215062 - 12/01/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did you have sex with him?
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