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My jars stalled
    #19211820 - 12/01/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hello everyone.

So I inoculated 4 jars at the beggining of november, for about a week I had nice steady growth, but now I have the same white myc patches I had three weeks ago. So, long story short, they stalled. What should I do? I think it might be because of poor GE, I mean my jars have 4 self healing ports on the top and a hole with polyfill but it might be too tight or something. They don't seem to be contaminated, I mean I can't see any metabolites from bacterial growth. I opened one to take a sniff and it just smells like verm. Bacteria smell like some sour-sweet and very strong penetrating stuff and it isn't the case. So what are your suggestions?

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Re: My jars stalled [Re: Insider]
    #19211830 - 12/01/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

How about some pics?


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: daltonvz]
    #19211874 - 12/01/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm guessing you are doing the PF-tek since there is verm in your jars.

PF-tek uses that verm layer ontop of the BRF as the filter, with 4 open holes in the lid.

Adding polyfill into one hole and having the verm layer is probably starving them for GE.

Unless you have a moisture content issue, I would say that is your problem.

When you're just starting out, it's best to follow your TEKs to a T, then tweak them as you go along.


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #19211901 - 12/01/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I don't think It might be an issue with the water content. Where I live I can't get whole rice flour so the best thing I could get was organic whole rye flour. It would get the mix too dry, so I added water little by little to achieve field capacity. I'm uploading pics.


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: Insider]
    #19211921 - 12/01/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I believe you can just buy brown rice and blend it in a coffee grinder.


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: Insider]
    #19211952 - 12/01/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This is the jar that grew the most


This is the lid without the polyfill and with the polyfill


The second jar.


All other jars are kinda the same. So what do you suggest?


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: Insider]
    #19211984 - 12/01/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Now I'm thinking you've either got a moisture content or nutrition problem.

Try again following your TEK closer. Make sure to get the right ingredients.

You might have to source the BRF online, but as I said before I believe you
can just grind up plain ol (preferably organic) brown rice.

Maybe someone else will chime in though, cause that's just, like, my opinion, man. :cool:


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #19212004 - 12/01/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

K. Thanks for your advice Pirate. I'll check on the GE problem, if nothing changes in a couple of days, I will start again.


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: Insider]
    #19212037 - 12/01/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Look up some of the bulk grain teks. They're way easier then they seem. The second you try WBS or rye, you'll never look back :thumbup:


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #19212309 - 12/01/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Now I'm thinking you've either got a moisture content or nutrition problem.




I disagree.  The moisture looks fine, and whole rye is excellent nutritionally.  People use rye berries all the time for grain spawn and sing its praises. 

I suspect it's probably got something to do with temperature.  How hot is the room, OP?


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: Insider]
    #19212997 - 12/01/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, I don't think It might be an issue with the water content. Where I live I can't get whole rice flour so the best thing I could get was organic whole rye flour. It would get the mix too dry, so I added water little by little to achieve field capacity. I'm uploading pics.



this is where you went wrong, the recipe is not done at field capacity it is damp at best.
field capacity is too wet which is y the recipe calls for 1 part verm 1 part water and one part flour which is nowhere near field capacity, i use twice that amount of water to cook my rice for dinner and i don't even use verm lol


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: cronicr]
    #19213152 - 12/01/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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cronicr said:

field capacity is too wet which is y the recipe calls for 1 part verm 1 part water and one part flour which is nowhere near field capacity




2 parts verm, 1 part water, 1 part BRF


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: OgreLokon]
    #19213251 - 12/01/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well, maybe I am not understanding what field capacity is. I meant wet enough just to be damp on contact and for a drop of water to fall when squeezed. Last time I tried PF tek I ruined it with extra water so I made sure not to make the same mistake this time. The room is cold to be honest.

Edit: it's like 60 degrees in here.


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: Insider]
    #19213278 - 12/01/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

P.s. I also followed the 2:1:1 ratio. Just adjusted it a bit after mixing.


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: Insider]
    #19213352 - 12/01/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yup.  It stalled because of temperature.  Nothing is lost yet--just put them in a warmer place.


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: Psilicon]
    #19213389 - 12/01/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Alright, no surprise there I guess. I mean, the house is cold as heck. What do you suggest? Maybe inside a cooler with something warm inside? I read somewhere about a black trash bag, would that work?


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: Insider]
    #19213435 - 12/01/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No, probably not.  They work well for monotubs, which produce a lot of heat of their own.  But for a bunch of stalled jars?  Seems unlikely. 

A cooler with something warm inside is better than nothing.  You could also try to find a warmer part of your house.  Attics often fit the bill, and so do the spots near furnaces, above refrigerators and so on.


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: Psilicon]
    #19213477 - 12/01/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



You can get this stuff at Walmart, or most grocery stores.  Sometimes they carry different grains and flours at different places, so just look around.

Also, if you have a farmers market, or some sort of co-op store around, they'll sell it too...along with verm and Perlite....

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Re: My jars stalled [Re: 1down5up]
    #19213489 - 12/01/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Alrighht, I will put them inside a cooler to avoid dust and will take them upstairs where is warm. If i get warmer temps, in how long should I see growth again?

Also for the BRF i can get brown rice so I guess a coffee grinder is in order.


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Re: My jars stalled [Re: Insider]
    #19220703 - 12/03/13 05:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've read on here that grinding your own is better than the prepared stuff...so you're aces :thumbup:


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