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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19207233 - 11/30/13 02:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lonelyjew said: well its not telling us what we can and cannot eat its just that restaurants cannot serve them to us the same way they can't sprinkle mercury on our food. i think its perfectly fine for instance does anyone complain that restaurants have to keep their food at a certain temperature or that food manufacturers can't have certain amounts of mercury or lead in their food?
no, no one does so why should something that causes cell membrane damage be any different? the only reason they use it instead of canola or non hydrogenated oils is because it cheaper (not counting fully hydrogenated which has saturated instead of trans fats)
they tried to not ban it and make companies legally obligated to list it but they found loopholes to fuck over the consumers so they had no choice but to ban it, for instance serving sizes got smaller so the trans fats were under .5 grams per serving so they could legally claim 0 grams trans fats even though no one in the world eats 1/5 of a mini chip bag
I think a better solution would be to require the restaurants to put the nutrition facts on a separate or current menu, problem solved.
It's amusing how they worry about trans-fat but give a shit less about labeling GMO's.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: teknix]
#19207234 - 11/30/13 02:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lonelyjew said: well its not telling us what we can and cannot eat its just that restaurants cannot serve them to us the same way they can't sprinkle mercury on our food. i think its perfectly fine for instance does anyone complain that restaurants have to keep their food at a certain temperature or that food manufacturers can't have certain amounts of mercury or lead in their food?
no, no one does so why should something that causes cell membrane damage be any different? the only reason they use it instead of canola or non hydrogenated oils is because it cheaper (not counting fully hydrogenated which has saturated instead of trans fats)
they tried to not ban it and make companies legally obligated to list it but they found loopholes to fuck over the consumers so they had no choice but to ban it, for instance serving sizes got smaller so the trans fats were under .5 grams per serving so they could legally claim 0 grams trans fats even though no one in the world eats 1/5 of a mini chip bag
I think a better solution would be to require the restaurants to put the nutrition facts on a separate or current menu, problem solved.
i'd be fine with that. Provide the information and let the individual consumer decide for themselves.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
#19207238 - 11/30/13 02:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It wouldn't be that hard, I mean everything they serve you comes from somewhere else that is required to have the data already, a bit of number crunching is all it would take.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: teknix]
#19207578 - 11/30/13 07:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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They in turn could require the suppliers to submit a real list of information.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: sweeper54]
#19208014 - 11/30/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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OR just take the damn thing out!
Its not a food item and is toxic and is being sold as a food item, you can still sell trans fats just not as a food product.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19208235 - 11/30/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you've been proven wrong multiple times. It is a legitimate food additive, stop spreading lies.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
#19208248 - 11/30/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not to mention there are naturally occurring trans fats. How do we get those out? Breed the cows differently?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19208368 - 11/30/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lonelyjew said: OR just take the damn thing out!
Its not a food item and is toxic and is being sold as a food item, you can still sell trans fats just not as a food product.
But most of your food is toxic with the hidden GMOs and they won't even label them.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19208401 - 11/30/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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pretzelking said: I don't thinks its the federal government's responsibility to ban a substance in such a way. Leave it up to the individual to decide what is best for him or her.
I looked through my kitchen and almost everything of mine has no transfat at all anyway. All my cooking oils have no transfat my REAL butter has no transfat, anything remotely fatty I could think of had no trans fat in it already. My opinion is that most people probably don't consume large amounts of transfat anyways and its stupid to ban such a thing. Hell none of my chips have any trans fat. It would appear that private enterprise is ahead of the government on the transfat thing.
Also I live in Michigan, I don't think we regulate trans fat here.
did you look at the label or the ingredients?
the companies like to lie if you see the words partially hydrogenated ANYWHERE it has trans fats
Oh I see what they did there. I was looking at the nutritional facts originally. They should eliminate that loophole then. Make the companies 100% honest about what their ingredients and nutritional value is and let me make my informed decision.
Do you want the government to ban driving? What about cigarets? What about alcohol? What about aspirin? What if we ban sex because stds? What about swimming? I heard a lot of people die drowning every year maybe we should ban that. The point is the list can go on forever if we want to ban things "for public safety".
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: pretzelking]
#19209033 - 11/30/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I need to take some Xanax to get rid of this anxiety. I ate a couple of Tacos from Carls Junior last night and I'm shaking in my boots wondering if I might have ingested some deadly transfats.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
#19209238 - 11/30/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Call the CDC! We have a Taco Bell outbreak!
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
#19209283 - 11/30/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: I need to take some Xanax to get rid of this anxiety. I ate a couple of Tacos from Carls Junior last night and I'm shaking in my boots wondering if I might have ingested some deadly transfats. 
You know damn well this isn't the intent of the regulation.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19209408 - 11/30/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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FOOD ADDITIVE AND FOOD PRODUCT ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS PLEASE LEARN THE DIFFERENCE AND READ THE THREAD
again legally if it is toxic and not on the gras list it can't be considered a legal food additive which it soon won't be
and the amount of naturally occuring trans fats in cows is very small and not near the amount used in foods.
again all this ban is doing is preventing trans fats from being sold for human consumption you are still free to buy and use at your discretion.
and i also linked the definition of food additive which made it clear that lead can be considered a food additive
so would you answer the question about lead in food and water?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19209425 - 11/30/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i will post it again actually read it this time
food additive Web definitions
an additive to food intended to improve its flavor or appearance or shelf-life
which means i could consider lead a food additive as well correct?
food product Web definitions
foodstuff: a substance that can be used or prepared for use as food
food foΝod/ noun noun: food; plural noun: foods
1. any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth.
in order for something to be nutritious it HAS to be effective at delivering nutrients which transfats are definitely not considering all the damage it does in he process.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19209501 - 11/30/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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and the amount of naturally occuring trans fats in cows is very small and not near the amount used in foods.
Didn't you yourself say there is no safe amount of trans fats?
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19209532 - 11/30/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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and NO because sugar and salt are necessary for humans over consumption is the fault of the buyer but there is NO safe amount when it comes to trans fats and it is NOT even legally food.
There it is! The reason adding trans fats to food isn't healthy is because we get the amount we need in a standard diet anyway, through red meat consumption. There is a safe amount, you contradict yourself alot you know?
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this ban is on artificial trans fats
for some reason whether it be the combination of the other nutrients in meat or the way it is hydrogenated by the bacteria it has no harmful affects and has been shown to increase hdl
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19209547 - 11/30/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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and no we don't "need" trans fats
and again no contradictions this ban has always been about artificial we don't know why but for some reason when it is natural it is not harmful(in moderate amounts gorging your self on meat is bad but low amounts of NATURAL are beneficial)
where have i contradicted my self?
sugar and salt ARE necessities artificial trans fats are not which is what the ban is doing.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
#19210985 - 12/01/13 01:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just because something isn't a necessity doesn't mean we should ban it. Like it or not trans fats metabolize in our bodies into little ole calories and give us energy. It may be hard for our bodies to digest said fats because of the bent tail of the organic molecule "trans" fat. It doesn't mean its a toxin however.
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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: pretzelking]
#19211743 - 12/01/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ood additive Web definitions
an additive to food intended to improve its flavor or appearance or shelf-life
which means i could consider lead a food additive as well correct?
lead does not do any of those functions and we cannot digest lead. So whats your point? Trans fats are more similar to baking soda or citric acid.
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