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In praise of drugs.
    #19211602 - 12/01/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think without Kratom every day I wouldn't want to be here.  For better or worse the things I've learned and know and the things I feel make this world a very :feelsweirdman: place for me.  Kratom makes it feel so much more friendly.  So for all the damage drugs may do they can also be a savior.  I try to bring a little balance to my drug use so they don't bite me in the ass too hard but I wouldn't want to look out on the new day without them right now.  Not to mention all the physical pain they relieve for me. 

I FUCKING LOVE DRUGS. Especially the so called natural ones.  They seem to be the most friendly on the body over time and the most balanced in their nature.


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Icelander]
    #19211669 - 12/01/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I raise my glass and propose a toast for the drugs we love!!  :cheers: 

I love me some mj, lsd, mesc, shrooms :smile: my life wouldnt be the same without them.

Do you still partake in psychedelics iceman?


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Icelander]
    #19211724 - 12/01/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I FUCKING LOVE DRUGS.




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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Icelander]
    #19211815 - 12/01/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I feel the same way about opiates.  If I had stuck to more natural routes of administration and possibly more natural forms of the stuff (poppy pods were delicious back in the day....), I feel like I never would have run into any major problems with addiction.

But yes, drugs are awesome.  Doing drugs with a special someone whom you connect with on a deep physical & emotional level is even more awesomer, though, IMO.  :shrug: :lol: :doggystyle:


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: deCypher]
    #19211826 - 12/01/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:lol: Now that's what you want.


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19211832 - 12/01/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thankfully already got a special someone, and it's been almost suspiciously fantabulous for going on almost a year now.

Some part of me probably knows it's all going to come crashing down in an epic shitmaelstrom of chaos, despair, and utter ruin & heartbreak, but I'm just gonna enjoy it while it lasts.  :smirk::stoner:


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Into The Woods] * 1
    #19211886 - 12/01/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nooo. Don't think that. Don't think that at all.

You've found someone incredibly special and right for you and you can cherish them for years more to come. (:

I've just recently met someone who I feel could be that person for me but she's getting on a plane in less than 10 hours and THAT is fucking heartbreaking. I'm contemplating moving across the country just so I don't lose her. But maybe that's best left for another thread of my own.


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: deCypher]
    #19211895 - 12/01/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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deCypher said:
Thankfully already got a special someone, and it's been almost suspiciously fantabulous for going on almost a year now.

Some part of me probably knows it's all going to come crashing down in an epic shitmaelstrom of chaos, despair, and utter ruin & heartbreak, but I'm just gonna enjoy it while it lasts.  :smirk::stoner:




My advice to you, is to start drinking heavily. 

Get a jump on it.



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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Into The Woods] * 1
    #19211907 - 12/01/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

MORE ON TOPIC

Icelander, speaking of drugs, out of curiosity, I've often wondered if you partake or have some history of psychedelics.

And have you ever been interviewed by Learyfan? If so, I'd love to read it


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #19211995 - 12/01/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Universaleyeni said:
I raise my glass and propose a toast for the drugs we love!!  :cheers: 

I love me some mj, lsd, mesc, shrooms :smile: my life wouldnt be the same without them.

Do you still partake in psychedelics iceman?





Very occasionally, It's been a almost three years actually.  I took about 50 grams of san pedro pwd and was tripping hard for 15 hours.  I said that's a good one to end 40+ years of tripping on.  I still do XTC occasionally but even that has been years.

I like Kratom a lot and that seems to satisfy all my needs these days.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Into The Woods] * 1
    #19212012 - 12/01/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Into The Woods said:
MORE ON TOPIC

Icelander, speaking of drugs, out of curiosity, I've often wondered if you partake or have some history of psychedelics.

And have you ever been interviewed by Learyfan? If so, I'd love to read it





Forty plus years of tripping.  My first trip was in 1970 on some Purple Haze.  That trip is still one of the five best of my life.  Three on LSD, one on Peyote (maybe the best) and one on XTC which may not count as a psychedelic.  In between were many hundreds of trips that I've mostly forgotten.  My weirdest trips for sure though have been on Salvia.


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Icelander]
    #19212117 - 12/01/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Have you ever written a trip report?


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19212139 - 12/01/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Rarely but yes I have.  I rarely like reading anyones and also don't really like writing them.  It kind of kills the buzz for me.  I don't like sharing dreams usually either for the same reasons.


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Icelander]
    #19212158 - 12/01/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I can understand that. I haven't written many myself and the ones that I have, I never kept for very long.

This is a shot in the dark, but would you feel comfortable sharing one of your experiences with us?


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Icelander]
    #19212215 - 12/01/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
I think without Kratom every day I wouldn't want to be here.  For better or worse the things I've learned and know and the things I feel make this world a very :feelsweirdman: place for me.  Kratom makes it feel so much more friendly.  So for all the damage drugs may do they can also be a savior.  I try to bring a little balance to my drug use so they don't bite me in the ass too hard but I wouldn't want to look out on the new day without them right now.  Not to mention all the physical pain they relieve for me. 

I FUCKING LOVE DRUGS. Especially the so called natural ones.  They seem to be the most friendly on the body over time and the most balanced in their nature.




you're high  :hi:


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19212255 - 12/01/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Into The Woods said:
Nooo. Don't think that. Don't think that at all.

You've found someone incredibly special and right for you and you can cherish them for years more to come. (:

I've just recently met someone who I feel could be that person for me but she's getting on a plane in less than 10 hours and THAT is fucking heartbreaking. I'm contemplating moving across the country just so I don't lose her. But maybe that's best left for another thread of my own.




:threadjack:

Why is she leaving/not returning?  :sad:

Sorry to hear it, man.  I appreciate the good words though and wish you the best of luck in your own endeavours of the heart.  :heart:

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Thankfully already got a special someone, and it's been almost suspiciously fantabulous for going on almost a year now.

Some part of me probably knows it's all going to come crashing down in an epic shitmaelstrom of chaos, despair, and utter ruin & heartbreak, but I'm just gonna enjoy it while it lasts.  :smirk::stoner:




My advice to you, is to start drinking heavily. 

Get a jump on it.




Already am, from time to time.  My advice to you: invest the time and energy you put into copy-pasting Youtube videos here into more constructive pursuits.  I highly doubt the majority of readers here watch any of them.  :shrug:


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Icelander]
    #19212502 - 12/01/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I raise my glass and propose a toast for the drugs we love!!  :cheers: 

I love me some mj, lsd, mesc, shrooms :smile: my life wouldnt be the same without them.

Do you still partake in psychedelics iceman?





Very occasionally, It's been a almost three years actually.  I took about 50 grams of san pedro pwd and was tripping hard for 15 hours.  I said that's a good one to end 40+ years of tripping on.  I still do XTC occasionally but even that has been years.

I like Kratom a lot and that seems to satisfy all my needs these days.




:cool:  very cool ice man. :cool:


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Icelander]
    #19212559 - 12/01/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I took about 50 grams of san pedro pwd and was tripping hard for 15 hours. .




I assume you mean dried powder? How'd you prep that? I have extensive experience with LSD, DMT, & Psilocybin, but only one mild experience with mescaline (comparable to a hit of acid) with a 12" cutting I made into tea.....


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: eve69]
    #19212794 - 12/01/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think without Kratom every day I wouldn't want to be here.  For better or worse the things I've learned and know and the things I feel make this world a very :feelsweirdman: place for me.  Kratom makes it feel so much more friendly.  So for all the damage drugs may do they can also be a savior.  I try to bring a little balance to my drug use so they don't bite me in the ass too hard but I wouldn't want to look out on the new day without them right now.  Not to mention all the physical pain they relieve for me. 

I FUCKING LOVE DRUGS. Especially the so called natural ones.  They seem to be the most friendly on the body over time and the most balanced in their nature.




you're high  :hi:




Most of the day. :psychsplit:


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19212810 - 12/01/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I took about 50 grams of san pedro pwd and was tripping hard for 15 hours. .




I assume you mean dried powder? How'd you prep that? I have extensive experience with LSD, DMT, & Psilocybin, but only one mild experience with mescaline (comparable to a hit of acid) with a 12" cutting I made into tea.....




I just whipped it in some liquid and gulped it down if I remember correctly.  When I was a kid of 20 I was once given 33 freshly dried peyote buttons.  Myself and two friends took them out on the Sand Dunes along Lake Michigan and we ate them all with night just coming on.  It was one of the outstanding trips of my life.  The  San Pedro slightly reminded me of that.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Icelander]
    #19214050 - 12/01/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do you get constipation if you take kratom everyday? This is the one thing about the drug that's stopping me from using daily.


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Icelander]
    #19214075 - 12/01/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I just whipped it in some liquid and gulped it down if I remember correctly.  When I was a kid of 20 I was once given 33 freshly dried peyote buttons.  Myself and two friends took them out on the Sand Dunes along Lake Michigan and we ate them all with night just coming on.  It was one of the outstanding trips of my life.  The  San Pedro slightly reminded me of that.




I'm envious, I've never encountered peyote, and at this point am starting to suspect I never will.  To me, it's something of legend, but I'm seriously pondering ordering some peruvian torch powder in bulk and experimenting.  I don't see myself washing it down the hatch though (keeping down 50g of cactus sounds kind of crazy and I'm sure it would be a karate chop to my gut) , we'll have to see what I come up with.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: White Beard]
    #19214082 - 12/01/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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White Beard said:
Do you get constipation if you take kratom everyday? This is the one thing about the drug that's stopping me from using daily.





No not at all. This one reason I don't take regular opiates. I can't stand the constipation.  I seem to get none with Kratom and I've used it daily for a couple of months now.


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Icelander]
    #19214088 - 12/01/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I took about 50 grams of san pedro pwd and was tripping hard for 15 hours. .




I assume you mean dried powder? How'd you prep that? I have extensive experience with LSD, DMT, & Psilocybin, but only one mild experience with mescaline (comparable to a hit of acid) with a 12" cutting I made into tea.....




I just whipped it in some liquid and gulped it down if I remember correctly.  When I was a kid of 20 I was once given 33 freshly dried peyote buttons.  Myself and two friends took them out on the Sand Dunes along Lake Michigan and we ate them all with night just coming on.  It was one of the outstanding trips of my life.  The  San Pedro slightly reminded me of that.




I don't think I've ever tasted anything as horrid as san pedro powder in water.


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: White Beard]
    #19214096 - 12/01/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
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Icelander said:
I took about 50 grams of san pedro pwd and was tripping hard for 15 hours. .




I assume you mean dried powder? How'd you prep that? I have extensive experience with LSD, DMT, & Psilocybin, but only one mild experience with mescaline (comparable to a hit of acid) with a 12" cutting I made into tea.....




I just whipped it in some liquid and gulped it down if I remember correctly.  When I was a kid of 20 I was once given 33 freshly dried peyote buttons.  Myself and two friends took them out on the Sand Dunes along Lake Michigan and we ate them all with night just coming on.  It was one of the outstanding trips of my life.  The  San Pedro slightly reminded me of that.




I don't think I've ever tasted anything as horrid as san pedro powder in water.




I was at a festival where I had the opportunity to try some, but passed it up in favor of acid.  A buddy of mine opted for the powder and mixed it in with grapefruit juice and was a real wimp about it :lol:


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19214115 - 12/01/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I just whipped it in some liquid and gulped it down if I remember correctly.  When I was a kid of 20 I was once given 33 freshly dried peyote buttons.  Myself and two friends took them out on the Sand Dunes along Lake Michigan and we ate them all with night just coming on.  It was one of the outstanding trips of my life.  The  San Pedro slightly reminded me of that.




I'm envious, I've never encountered peyote, and at this point am starting to suspect I never will.  To me, it's something of legend, but I'm seriously pondering ordering some peruvian torch powder in bulk and experimenting.  I don't see myself washing it down the hatch though (keeping down 50g of cactus sounds kind of crazy and I'm sure it would be a karate chop to my gut) , we'll have to see what I come up with.





The San Pedro that I used came from Peru and it seriously kicked ass.

  That time I took those 11 peyote buttons. I never puked once. The other guys were puking all over the place.  I did feel some nausea for about 45 minutes. 

That peoyote trip was my quintessential psychedelic experience.  I'll never even try to give a trip report on it even though after all these years I still remember much of it vividly. Trying to convey it would not work. I will say that I certainly did hallucinate strongly and longly.  The trip lasted about 12 hours and I hated it's ending. I never came across that quality and quantity of peyote again. It was a once in a lifetime experience for me.  I do think that the San Pedro, if good quality surely comes into the ballpark.

I might be able to still locate where I got it if you want to PM me.  It does have to make it through customs but I had no problem.


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Icelander]
    #19215327 - 12/01/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Some drugs just have no soul. Take 2C-I...it is more psychedelic than MDMA, probably just as euphoric, but it completely lacks the magic of MDMA. This was an off-topic statement, it may not be true, and I don't care to defend it. Goodnight :smile:


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Epigallo]
    #19215346 - 12/01/13 11:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Some drugs just have no soul. Take 2C-I...it is more psychedelic than MDMA, probably just as euphoric, but it completely lacks the magic of MDMA. This was an off-topic statement, it may not be true, and I don't care to defend it. Goodnight :smile:




Oh, then your post lacks the 'soul' of PS&P :ohwell:


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19220324 - 12/03/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

this is the first semi euphoric post i've seen from you icelander it's good to see...i don't wanna sound preachy but do be careful with kratom it is just as addictive as any other opiate if used in sufficient quantity and duration. But when the alternative is daily semi suicidal existential despair it is a beautiful alternative

I agree that drugs are great though i had a massive opiate addiction for years and broke it with ibogaine...

i hope the kratom is helping with your fear of death i know it helped me..but again if you ever plan on being able to stop be ready to face it head on more excrutiatingly than ever and the longer you take it the harder it will be...

If i was to advise a friend who was using kratom i would say use it to enable you to build up your life to its optimum level then stop...get in peak physical condition start eating well, repair and create relationships and secure your future then fight the battle because one day it Will lose it's magic and will no longer provide what's missing in your life.


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: zoomfan]
    #19220509 - 12/03/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I hope to be dead by then. :lol:

Anyway Kratom really doesn't provide what's missing in life. It just takes some of the angst out of it.  Still I know what you're saying and I know I should be more concerned than I am but I'm not.  At my advanced age there is not that much future to look forward to.  What, like steady physical decline and more pain? The ability to do less and less physically stimulating?  Mental decline?  Routines repeated for the millionth time but more difficult to engage in?  Watching the decline of the physical world into a trash heap which you have loved and once roamed in?  Watching all your friends age sicken die and disappear if you have any that is?  And all those other great things we should cling to with both hands?

Death seems pretty sweet when compared to all that.  Not to say I enjoy nothing anymore but I hate to keep lowering my standards.

Some people my think this is a pretty negative way to think but I'd like to hear their reasoning as to why.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (12/03/13 02:21 AM)


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Re: In praise of drugs. [Re: Icelander]
    #19220518 - 12/03/13 02:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm starting to :heart: kratom myself.

how do you go about consuming it? tea?


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