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$40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen
    #19211471 - 12/01/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.tapscape.com/sheep-marketplace-scam-revealed-40-million-stolen/

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Bitcoin and online drug markets seem to fit together perfectly and unfortunately, sometimes they are “too good” to be true. While there are handful of these sites which still appear to be legitimate and not based around a scam, a growing number of illegal drug marketplaces are randomly shutting down and taking millions in Bitcoins with them.

Following the Silk Road shutdown, a new site named Sheep Marketplace became a leading online drug marketplace and quickly grew into a replacement for the Silk Road. Many users continued to use Sheep Marketplace even after a new version of Silk Road was launched earlier this month.

Now, it appears as though the entire site was a scam, resulting in all of the buyers and sellers losing their money. According to users of the site which have been posting primarily on Reddit, Sheep Marketplace appeared to be functioning in an odd way for at least a week. Concerns regarding the legitimacy of the site came into play once the administrators at the marketplace decided to prevent vendors from withdrawing any of their Bitcoins from the site.

With many of these vendors seeing sales in the tens of thousands each month, being unable to withdraw that money was causing people to become worried, especially with how much money was lost after the Silk Road was brought to its knees. As more and more vendors posted about their suspicions, the entire Sheep Marketplace Forum was shutdown.

Even though the events leading up to today seemed to confirm that Sheep Marketplace was scamming its users, the smoking gun appears to have been found. Blockchain (a site which monitors Bitcoin transactions) has been tracking the movement of 39,918 Bitcoins, which is equivalent to $40 million. This is the same amount of money that was expected to be in Sheep Marketplace’s possession and the addresses present on this transaction match those of the website.

This means that more than $40 million worth of Bitcoin was stolen from users of the Sheep Marketplace.

Despite the transaction being just a fraction of the Bitcoins that are in circulation, it does show how risky these online drug marketplaces are. Though they may provide a safe haven for criminals, Sheep Marketplace and any other illegal shop that relies on Bitcoins is almost always going to be a potential scam. Some of the current illegal shops in operation, such as Silk Road 2.0, appear to be “safer” but as we have now seen with the Sheep Marketplace, Bitcoins are the perfect currency for scammers.

UPDATE 12/1/13: Now that vendors are incredibly upset about the Sheep Marketplace scam, the people in charge of the site have shutdown the store leaving a short note to users on the main page. The note suggests that a random vendor from the site was able to find a bug in the system and steal thousands of Bitcoins.

The amount mentioned in the note does not match the transfer amount and despite Sheep Marketplace claiming that users will receive their remaining Bitcoins if they have an emergency Bitcoin address enabled, no one has received anything thus far.

Since the administrators at Sheep Marketplace had lied for more than a week regarding what was happening, it seems unlikely that anyone will see their Bitcoins.

Message from Sheep Marketplace’s admin reads (spelling mistakes included):

We are sorry to say, but we were robbed on Saturday 11/21/2013 by vendor EBOOK101. This vendor found bug in system and stole 5400 BTC – your money, our provisions, all was stolen. We were trying to resolve this problem, but we were not successful. We are sorry for your problems and inconvenience, all of current BTC will be ditributed to users, who have filled correct BTC emergency adress. I would like to thank to all SheepMarketplace moderators by this, who were helping with this problem. I am very sorry for this situation. Thank you all.




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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: eve69] * 1
    #19211643 - 12/01/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: eve69]
    #19211660 - 12/01/13 09:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

For fucks sake. :facepalm:


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19211678 - 12/01/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sheoples indeed. MUWAHAHAHAHA


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: downlowfunk]
    #19211770 - 12/01/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The site has been shut down. Also, bmr is down. Bad news all around


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19211821 - 12/01/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Damn


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: niteman]
    #19211998 - 12/01/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

they should be fourced to go recover these and distribute them to their users.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: eve69]
    #19212000 - 12/01/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The ongoing rumor is that the site got robbed for 5400 bitcoins first, then the admin tried to fix it and failed and just decided to fuck everyone over.  I think they figured out who owned the site though, and I'm pretty sure he's going to get killed at some point.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: iateshaggy]
    #19212017 - 12/01/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Forced by who?

How are the people running the site any more culpable for their stupidity than the users? I don't do drug deals on the internet because I'm not knowledgeable enough to know exactly what I'm exposing myself to. These people got what they had coming for using a service they didn't understand.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Juicin] * 2
    #19212042 - 12/01/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

By that logic everyone that gets arrested for buying/selling drugs deserves it for working in a system they don't understand.  Its just a marketplace where people exchange goods and services, no one deserved to get robbed.  People knew this could happen, its the cost of doing business.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: fapjack]
    #19212055 - 12/01/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have never encountered a situation where some one who got caught didn't know they were risking themselves. Or should have known it.

There is nothing complicated about real world drug use. Trying to do business online on the other hand requires a genius to truly understand what the fuck is going on. Or at the very least a very well informed consumer.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Juicin]
    #19212219 - 12/01/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder what will happen with the bitcoin value when these guys starts to cash out 40.000.000.00


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: eve69]
    #19212311 - 12/01/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

damn those bastards


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: spixce]
    #19212313 - 12/01/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Holy shit.. Bad news


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: BlackPeace]
    #19212373 - 12/01/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It looks like the price of BTC just dropped like $100 in the past 45 minutes
70 in the last 6 minutes


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #19212380 - 12/01/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Would be nice to see it crash and stabilize already.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #19212387 - 12/01/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the smart thing to do is buy btc when its cheap and wait till its expensive then spend it


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: spixce]
    #19212404 - 12/01/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the smart thing to do is buy btc when its cheap and wait till its expensive then spend it




Yep- Maybe the price will crash hard with a selling frenzy and then rebound as people try to invest again and hold them, which keeps them out of circulation.  If it goes low enough I'll probably do that.  A FOAF lost $2,000 when SR went down.  If he had them in an external wallet they would have been worth ~$15,000 right before this current crash


Yea the buy price just rebounded up some, it seems like it pretty volatile at this second :shrug:


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #19212508 - 12/01/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Its dropped over $200, i doubt it will go down much more, maybe a little. BMR is back up but plans to close for a couple months.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) *DELETED* [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #19212517 - 12/01/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Immortal Jellyfish]
    #19212590 - 12/01/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I was real weary of using the new sites anyways, but someone is a real asshole  :finger:


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19212704 - 12/01/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This is probably gonna drive up the already high as fuck boom of bitcoins.  Anyone heard of litcoins or whatever their called; the new bitcoin things?  If ive learned anything from bitcoins, i think it be a bet to invest in some of those


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Ogla]
    #19212710 - 12/01/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

BTC is is exploding, right now.

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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Ogla]
    #19212804 - 12/01/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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This is probably gonna drive up the already high as fuck boom of bitcoins.  Anyone heard of litcoins or whatever their called; the new bitcoin things?  If ive learned anything from bitcoins, i think it be a bet to invest in some of those





Yea I was gonna invest $1,000 in LTC when it was at $2 a coin.  Now its at $25.    Fuckk man I gotta take these risks at the right time :eek:


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #19212808 - 12/01/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i remember when btc was like 20$ a coin


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: spixce]
    #19212817 - 12/01/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i remember when btc was like 20$ a coin




Man, I had over 50 coins when they were under $16 a coin. :sad:


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: PsYcHoDoUgHbOy]
    #19212830 - 12/01/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

if you still had them you'd be rich now


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #19212852 - 12/01/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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This is probably gonna drive up the already high as fuck boom of bitcoins.  Anyone heard of litcoins or whatever their called; the new bitcoin things?  If ive learned anything from bitcoins, i think it be a bet to invest in some of those





Yea I was gonna invest $1,000 in LTC when it was at $2 a coin.  Now its at $25.    Fuckk man I gotta take these risks at the right time :eek:



Know a good exchanger?  I remember the steady  rise of BTC from $.80. I don't think 2-300$ investment  hurt me much


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: spixce]
    #19212853 - 12/01/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

LTC is place to buy BTC is place to sell.  One of the newer marketplaces is accepting LTCs, which is probably going to be on the upswing vs BTC which will probably crash at some point soon.  I was going to buy a bunch of LTCs too before they hit $1, but I was always too lazy.  Making money doesn't motivate me as much as other people does.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: fapjack] * 1
    #19212920 - 12/01/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

LTC, when they were first announced, seemed to only be backed by Atlantis. Back then I seriously contemplated buying a few hundred and seek g where it'd go after seeing, at the time, btc reaching $80. That's the pain. Not "what if I got in early and cashed out perfectly" juat , I knew to do it, put it on the backburner multiple times, and I got burned.

BTW, I was reading about thee coins when they got cashed out last night. BTC went from $1150 to less than $950 right after the announcement of them bei g stolen. I wonder where they are now.

And why would that guy who stole them immediately cash out? Shit I'd keep em for like a year to not raise suspicion and end up headless in a ditch.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Atrium]
    #19212951 - 12/01/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You just need to know where the look. The fact that thousands of vendors just jumped to a relatively unknown website host is quite remarkably stupid, considering what had just happened with the FBI.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19213019 - 12/01/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, that site was shady from the get go.  There isnt gonna be a reliable alternative to the original SR i think for awhile now. I dont trust any of the new sites.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: eve69]
    #19213077 - 12/01/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Fucking scum, the boat never sinks though.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19213101 - 12/01/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i made an account just incase shit goes to invite only ...


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Ogla] * 1
    #19213113 - 12/01/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Its PGP, and the worst that generally happens is you get robbed.  You know how much more risky it is to sell drugs to random people?  What's worse?  Getting robbed once in a while for what you have in escrow over getting beat, robbed, shot, arrested on the street.  You don't need to talk to anyone or know anyone to hustle online, all you need are balls and funds to buy shit.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: fapjack]
    #19213326 - 12/01/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Damn bro are you Omar from The Wire?


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: 2859558484]
    #19213373 - 12/01/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Are all these sites designed such that the anonymous operator can at any moment decide to rob its users?

They made that 40 million dollar robbery look easy. And no one is going to do a single thing about it.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: klimt]
    #19213523 - 12/01/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Are all these sites designed such that the anonymous operator can at any moment decide to rob its users?

They made that 40 million dollar robbery look easy. And no one is going to do a single thing about it.




And no one is going to do a single thing about it.

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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19213775 - 12/01/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why dont everybody buy a shell in Bangladesh/somewhere US cannot take down your server, and setup a web host selling LSD for bitcoins?

less risk, and if doing it small scale like that you will never be caught

if I sold I would do it like that..

then just post the link on random web drug forums/google

it is already being done for MJ a lot, small MJ businesses online...
the risk is very small if you use VPN/tor to connect, and a server in a country without "justice" :-)
you wont be able to be tracked

also it would never be worth their time to track you down...

even if they manage to shut you down, you buy a new server and you are up in a few hours again...
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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: klimt]
    #19213787 - 12/01/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Are all these sites designed such that the anonymous operator can at any moment decide to rob its users?

They made that 40 million dollar robbery look easy. And no one is going to do a single thing about it.




Oh without a doubt in my mind they will kill him.  He lives in czech republic, and I'm pretty sure they already figured out who it was.  He fucked over too many of the wrong people that live in the surrounding countries, not to mention he has $40 million in illict currency.  He's a target for many different reasons.  If he's smart he would have refunded everyone's shit minus %10 of what got robbed with an apology and ended it like that.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: fapjack]
    #19214379 - 12/01/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

lol yup. Something will almost certainly happen to that dude.  The dark interwebs is serious business.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: xpl0de] * 2
    #19214683 - 12/01/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nothings going to happen to him. A bunch of people who can't get/sell drugs in real world aren't going to go to eastern Europe and kill someone.
Its easy to rip off online drug buyers and none of them ever do anything about it. Wasn't the fact it was called sheep marketplace a red flag?


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: my3rdeye] * 2
    #19214694 - 12/01/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Nothings going to happen to him. A bunch of people who can't get/sell drugs in real world aren't going to go to eastern Europe and kill someone.
Its easy to rip off online drug buyers and none of them ever do anything about it. Wasn't the fact it was called sheep marketplace a red flag?




You're forgetting about the dealers? 40 million is a lot of money, he's bound to have screwed the wrong person somewhere and considering the prize for finding him :shrug:
The cocaine being sold online wasn't manufactured online.

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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19214751 - 12/01/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ya, I'm sure the people trafficking who got ripped by this dude may certainly go after him if they know who he is.  You don't Fuck with the cartel online or not.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Ogla]
    #19214810 - 12/01/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

He/They has/have already cashed out and is/are ghost(s)


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #19214816 - 12/01/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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He/They has/have already cashed out and is/are ghost(s)




Maybe, not a lot of people know how to disappear and money doesn't change that.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen [Re: eve69]
    #19214824 - 12/01/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Shit. Same thing happened to my own $40 million BTC backup stash. Ohwell, win some/lose some.

Site owners might get killed, unfortunately. Not the right market to be ripping off, lol.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19214832 - 12/01/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

MrBlueYoMind said:
He/They has/have already cashed out and is/are ghost(s)




Maybe, not a lot of people know how to disappear and money doesn't change that.



True....
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I think it was more organized than just some guy that got greedy.  It was probably a small group of people.  In which case, the getaway was planned well ahead of the execution.  But anything is possible.  I never ordered from there but I did check it out a week or two ago and there was a few suspicious sellers.  Too good to be true = It isn't true(most of the time)


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Ogla]
    #19214869 - 12/01/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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This is probably gonna drive up the already high as fuck boom of bitcoins.  Anyone heard of litcoins or whatever their called; the new bitcoin things?  If ive learned anything from bitcoins, i think it be a bet to invest in some of those





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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #19214870 - 12/01/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How are you going to be able to liquidate 40 million dollars in BTCs without anyone noticing?  He pissed off thousands of people, many of which are a lot smarter than he is.  If it was an organization, it might end different.  I kind of wonder if it was a government that pulled the scam.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19214887 - 12/01/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

so I am not a pig


#shootthesht:


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #19215118 - 12/01/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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MrBlueYoMind said:

True....
If it was me, I'd be GONE.


I think it was more organized than just some guy that got greedy.  It was probably a small group of people.  In which case, the getaway was planned well ahead of the execution.  But anything is possible.  I never ordered from there but I did check it out a week or two ago and there was a few suspicious sellers.  Too good to be true = It isn't true(most of the time)




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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19215321 - 12/01/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

im a rat


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19215339 - 12/01/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I learned that from ARTHUR


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: eve69]
    #19215531 - 12/02/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

so my instincts were correct :teabird:

you don't a call drug market site 'sheep' and ironically end up scamming peeps for 40 mill. coincidence?, i think not. :sherlock:

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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: zZZz]
    #19215858 - 12/02/13 04:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Im pretty amazed at the total revenue

$40m is insane for a small online business... and SR was much larger iirc

the future of drug/anonymous trade is the dark(hidden) internet

I just dont understand why noone sets up their own .onion urls as dealers
sell your stuff there, on your own .onion

but you would have to advertise by spamming or such for that to work
never should you give out your url in person to another person

a non-.onion url will work just fine too if you get it hosted in a country without laws
then you can sell anything without getting caught, as long as you keep it small

I often see many small scale MJ sites online, selling home-grown bud
not cheap, but they earn good money on it it seems

often they sell the amounts they can afford to sell, since they know the laws well :-)
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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: lessismore]
    #19215862 - 12/02/13 04:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

37K BTC is nothing compared to the entire bitcoin market.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: DirtyTomFlint] * 2
    #19215878 - 12/02/13 04:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No, but it's still a lot of fucking money to scam from people.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19216331 - 12/02/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It wasn't 40 million, it was closer to $100 million.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: fapjack]
    #19216407 - 12/02/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Haha I guess he stole my $0.50 worth of BTC



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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: fapjack]
    #19217015 - 12/02/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How are you going to be able to liquidate 40 million dollars in BTCs without anyone noticing?  He pissed off thousands of people, many of which are a lot smarter than he is.  If it was an organization, it might end different.  I kind of wonder if it was a government that pulled the scam.




Yeah tumbling / mixing coins only works if other people have similar amounts to mix with.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #19217270 - 12/02/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

To be fair, as long as the feedback is coming in positive it's fairly safe to use. They got like 60m from SMP, but there was likely that much going around in a week, they can only rob ya once, so in total they stole maybe a couple % of the money that had changed hands on the site during its history. I think a ~3-5% ripoff chance is worth the savings and convenience :shrug:


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Synthe]
    #19217461 - 12/02/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

they could always rob you once and set up a better marketplace to rob you again. a whole international group of supervillains could band together and use what they now have to go legitimate longer, throw off the fools a little longer, and continue the piracy until the death. :evil:


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: D.M.T]
    #19218116 - 12/02/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

even if that's how things go, they'll only be snatching up maybe 2% of the cash. the other 98% will fund successful illegal business transactions.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: fapjack]
    #19218762 - 12/02/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Would be nice to see it crash and stabilize already.




Between $100 and $300 seems like the most stable price, possibly even as high as $500.  This bubble that is currently taking hold is nowhere near sustainable.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19221882 - 12/03/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

^ Hah! bitcoins will go up considerably. I predict it will hit 3000 by sometime next year, maybe a lot sooner and a lot higher.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19222494 - 12/03/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I hear they know who stole the coins. Just a matter of time before someone catches up with him.  Just speculation thou.


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    #19222566 - 12/03/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah like I said before the banks are already getting in tentatively, once they're in balls deep BTC will skyrocket.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: my3rdeye]
    #19222666 - 12/03/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Wasn't the fact it was called sheep marketplace a red flag?





Some of us have been saying that since the beginning.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: CidneyIndole]
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Quote:

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Wasn't the fact it was called sheep marketplace a red flag?





Some of us have been saying that since the beginning.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Synthe]
    #19222686 - 12/03/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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37K BTC is nothing compared to the entire bitcoin market.



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To be fair, as long as the feedback is coming in positive it's fairly safe to use. They got like 60m from SMP, but there was likely that much going around in a week, they can only rob ya once, so in total they stole maybe a couple % of the money that had changed hands on the site during its history. I think a ~3-5% ripoff chance is worth the savings and convenience :shrug:




Who cares about Sheep, SR has been back up and running for a month already almost. Plus many people don't realize that vendors use USD to denote their product prices, which adjusts back to BTC. Most products on SR are now 0.01-0.9 BTC. It adjusts itself.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
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37K BTC is nothing compared to the entire bitcoin market.



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To be fair, as long as the feedback is coming in positive it's fairly safe to use. They got like 60m from SMP, but there was likely that much going around in a week, they can only rob ya once, so in total they stole maybe a couple % of the money that had changed hands on the site during its history. I think a ~3-5% ripoff chance is worth the savings and convenience :shrug:




Who cares about Sheep, SR has been back up and running for a month already almost. Plus many people don't realize that vendors use USD to denote their product prices, which adjusts back to BTC. Most products on SR are now 0.01-0.9 BTC. It adjusts itself.



"Many people"? You can have the listings changed to USD in the settings section of both SR AND BMR AND numerous other marketplaces. It's nothing out of the ordinary, it's just a standard feature.

SR has a quarter of the listings that SMP had. I'm sure it'll grow over time, but there's unfortunately less vendors to choose from.


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    #19222738 - 12/03/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i hope they kill that fudgepacker in charge of sheep stealing people's hard earned cash what an asshole


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Synthe]
    #19222741 - 12/03/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There is other marketplaces, you don't have to just use one.  SMP had a lot of shit, but it was run by people that never gave a shit about the site.  Scams galore, people with issues since day 1 about getting coins to their wallets, and it was the biggest marketplace which made it a bigger target.  I was rooting for BMR til they fucked it up by trying to use a VPS and that's when SMP took the lions share.  I think SR 2.0 has potential, I honestly think their admin actually gives a fuck.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: spixce]
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i hope they kill that fudgepacker in charge of sheep stealing people's hard earned cash what an asshole




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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19222814 - 12/03/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the police will find out who he is before any cartel does :ilold:


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Synthe]
    #19222836 - 12/03/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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"Many people"? You can have the listings changed to USD in the settings section of both SR AND BMR AND numerous other marketplaces. It's nothing out of the ordinary, it's just a standard feature.




I'm NOT talking about that. I'm talking about CHANGING the price of their listings FROM 1 BTC for example to 0.1 BTC.

The reason for this is because they use USD to denote their prices, nothing to do with the viewing format in USD/BTC/EUR, it's because, say, their product costs 500$, which WAS about 1BTC. Now the same product is selling for 0.5BTC, which is still 500$.

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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
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Oh I see. I'm not saying it's not worthwhile, I just wish they had more vendors. I think BMR had more than them too...


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the police will find out who he is before any cartel does :ilold:




Werd, what police? Interpol?
The police aren't even looking for the guy.


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I feel bad. :feelsbatman:


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the police will find out who he is before any cartel does :ilold:




Werd, what police? Interpol?
The police aren't even looking for the guy.



I know - that's part of the joke. :grin:

though I'm sure there are multiple crimes they could charge him with if they wanted. they might go after him. may even have an investigation going on that we don't know about since sheep was advertised in a few well-known papers.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19223760 - 12/03/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If you file a complaint and say he stole your drug money maybe the police will look into it for you.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: Synthe]
    #19224026 - 12/03/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It worked when it worked.






I hear ya. And i can understand a lot of people being affected by the shutdown of SR, and probably even a good number of dependent / desperate people. But people need to realize that SR's shutdown created a situation that is almost too good for scammers.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: CidneyIndole] * 1
    #19225237 - 12/04/13 03:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512

On 2 November 2013, I was contacted on IRC by a pseudonymous chatter, "an
anonymous security hobbyist". He said he had some information for me if I would
swear to keep it secret. I agreed as long as it didn't involve violence like
hitmen.

He had been impressed by [my bet against Sheep &
BMR](http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1pko9y/the_bet_bmr_and_sheep_to_die_in_a_year/)
and agreed with me that the official Sheep story about `sheepmarketplace.com`
was too stupid for words, and wanted to share the info with me. He then told me
he had just finished researching Sheep Marketplace and was highly confident that
the operator was a Czech programmer by the name of "Tomáš Jiřikovský", and
further, earlier that day he had mailed off his results to the FBI. (He also
claimed credit for the BMR & PBF leaks.)

After reading through his results, checking some of the links to see if they
were as described, agreeing with him that Tomas matches the profile for the
Sheep operator uncannily well, and reflecting how stupid I was to not look
harder at sheepmarketplace.com because as soon as you see the forum posts where
Tomas complains about the problems of running a Bitcoin-using hidden service
it's completely obvious that Tomas=Sheep, I suggested he contact Tomas. He
declined, saying he didn't want to spook Tomas (he is not a big fan of drugs),
although he agreed I could release the results within 7 months. The most I
managed to get out of him was permission to [post a cryptographic hash
precommitment](http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1ptd6b/precommitment_proof_of_knowledge_about_a/):

    $ echo 'Sheep Marketplace was founded and run by Tomáš JiÅ™ikovský (random
    nonce: 19093)' | sha512sum
    43a4c3b7d0a0654e1919ad6e7cbfa6f8d41bcce8f1320fbe511b6d7c38609ce5a2d39328e02e9777b339152987ea02b3f8adb57d84377fa7ccb708658b7d2edc
    -

I was as precise as I could be at the time; saying it was a precommitment to
Tomas's identity would have clearly breached the agreement.

Anyway, I took his notes, made copies of all the webpages linked in, and
prepared a single compilation in MAFF format:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/182368464/2013-11-03-sheepmarketplace-doxxing.maff

The basic overview of the findings:

1. Tomas owns the hosting service for the sheepmarketplace.com VPS server. There
  were very few domains hosted there as well, and he controlled several of them.
2. The site itself seemed to be very closely connected to SMP, using the same
  basic technologies and possibly a non-public API
3. The official excuse does not wash as sheepmarketplace.com was set up not long after
  SMP itself
4. Tomas is the earliest known promoter of SMP (1 February 2013), and recommened SMP &
  BMR over Silk Road (11 April 2013)
5. Tomas is a C++ QT Nette Framework Czech developer who runs Ubuntu, exactly like the
  SMP developer
6. Tomas has complained about the memory demand of `bitcoind` on a VPS server, and discussed
  the difficulties of functionality like email from hidden services
7. Tomas or his girlfriend are active users of Tor, as evidenced by screenshots of their
  computer
8. it's not clear what Tomas's current job is 9. but it is clear that
  as of October, he was working on an e-commerce site which was having problems
  with buggy accounting of deposits
10. Tomas posted a .htaccess file which has the same (buggy) functionality as that of SMP
11. He is an accused Bitcoin scammer

A few of these could be explained as coincidence. But all of them? At this
point, I would rate Tomas as >75% likely to be involved with SMP in some
fashion.
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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: ilus]
    #19225304 - 12/04/13 04:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

even if the site runs away with the money, it is a very minor loss to the sellers

compared to what they risk by being busted on the streets and the cops taking all their money..

online they only lose a weeks worth, they wont even notice that small amount likely most of them

online selling is no risk, if they know what they do

I will probably try out Silkroad 2.0 when it has been up for a while, just never send to own address

the only thing cooler than online drugs, would be drugs on IRC


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: lessismore] * 1
    #19225566 - 12/04/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's a lot of money and will no doubt wipe out some vendors and users.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: fapjack]
    #19227310 - 12/04/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If you were a reliable trustworthy vendor would you be willing to hop on next site that may or may not do the same thing? Scam vendors and scam sites are the new normal whether people want to admit it or not. Glad I call a guy for my drugs.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: my3rdeye]
    #19228617 - 12/04/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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my3rdeye said:
If you were a reliable trustworthy vendor would you be willing to hop on next site that may or may not do the same thing? Scam vendors and scam sites are the new normal whether people want to admit it or not. Glad I call a guy for my drugs.



But there is a place for these "Legit" sites like SR and holding onto the hope that $10,000 can be made like that will make individuals, vendors and buyers alike, jump into something not quite proven to be safe.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: my3rdeye]
    #19228738 - 12/04/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

my3rdeye said:
If you were a reliable trustworthy vendor would you be willing to hop on next site that may or may not do the same thing? Scam vendors and scam sites are the new normal whether people want to admit it or not. Glad I call a guy for my drugs.




Now see...from my perspective, there will always be the temptation to take the money and run. Especially if you run a staff of a very few trusted individuals, on an anonymous site that cannot be located. Further, these individuals have control of both sides of the currency via escrow. Theres no risk, and all of the advantage to a scam, lies in the hands of the site owners. Unless your name is Ross, that is.

I think that the next generation of anonymous market, needs to be more anonymous, and more decentralized. The feds haven't been able to stop torrents since they came to be. And I really think that if a marketplace could follow that idea, then it would be unstoppable.

It would be modular, self policing, and constantly evolving into a better more secure place to do business. It doesn't make any sense to centralize a marketplace, and the escrow. The temptation is just way too high.


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Re: $40,000,000.00 in Bitcoins stolen (moved) [Re: ilus] * 2
    #19231906 - 12/05/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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further, earlier that day he had mailed off his results to the FBI. (He also
claimed credit for the BMR & PBF leaks.)




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