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OfflineKILTRO
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Idiot selling 5htp...
    #19210741 - 12/01/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Just came back from a bushdoof Earthcore, anyway some idiot was strolling around the campsite with a sign ''5htp serotonin booster!'' for 3 days straight, selling too drunken Md'ed pilled up acid ravers claiming it would boost their highs, 30$ for like 200mg i lol'ed,

met a few people that had just prior dropped numerous mdma caps and were snorting lines of 5htp... then i told them the dangers and to go to the Er, they freaked out hard,

+ saw a Ambulance chopper 3 times before i left


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: KILTRO]
    #19210744 - 12/01/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

snorting 5htp :ilold:

well, if people are dumb enough to buy it :shrug:

caveat emptor


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: KILTRO] * 3
    #19210885 - 12/01/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You probably caused a few panic attacks and that's about it.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19210891 - 12/01/13 12:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

5-htp causes build up of serotonin in the peripheries. It also contributed to my case of serotonin
syndrome. fuck that shit. wutta cunt that guy is selling it for so expensive too. Some people just
have to make their buck.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: KILTRO]
    #19210928 - 12/01/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

how was earthcore?? i didnt end up buying a ticket or anything. rainbow in a few months as well.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Legend]
    #19210936 - 12/01/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes 5htp and MDMA is a very real risk for seratonin syndrome for sure . I got lucky and never had a problem taking 5 hot before or after MDMA but its not wise.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Legend]
    #19211105 - 12/01/13 02:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i dont know many people that went.
i wont be going to rainbow this year.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Soulidarity]
    #19211125 - 12/01/13 02:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It was ok.. the vibe was pretty shit, too many drunk schoolies kids, but some of the acts were good

Rainbow will be much better


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: KILTRO]
    #19211134 - 12/01/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yeah i didn't have high hopes for it


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: indica]
    #19211135 - 12/01/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

how did you go selling overpriced cut-down mdma?


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #19211146 - 12/01/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Yes 5htp and MDMA is a very real risk for seratonin syndrome for sure . I got lucky and never had a problem taking 5 hot before or after MDMA but its not wise.



you should be a pharmacologist dawg.

you like droogz n chemicals n thangs.


y'dig? :pimp:


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: indica]
    #19211172 - 12/01/13 03:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

well with the presence of Vic police , decided not to bring large quantities of my Pure Mdma, only a few 50 bags


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19211208 - 12/01/13 04:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes 5htp and MDMA is a very real risk for seratonin syndrome for sure . I got lucky and never had a problem taking 5 hot before or after MDMA but its not wise.




Source? Sorry but it's hard to take someone seriously when they don't correctly spell the alleged syndrome they're claiming 2 substances can cause.... I'm not disagreeing with you, but that's not just a minor omission.. I was under the impression that 5 HTP has never been associated with serotonin syndrome in humans, I'm not an expert and am open to change that view with credible evidence to the contrary...


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Insidious]
    #19212349 - 12/01/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well someone in this thread just said it happened to them.

I don't know for sure. Never happened to me.

Theoretically it's pretty obvious how it could be a risk.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19212550 - 12/01/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

5htp damages the heart valves

That stuff sucks.

To relieve your MDMA hangover take some oxycodone or a benzo.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19212594 - 12/01/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i didn't realize 5htp is bad for after/between trips. i take 1-200mg with melatonin before bed every night.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: millzy]
    #19212632 - 12/01/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Man google "5htp heart valves" then tell me if you want to keep taking it.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19212961 - 12/01/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Man google "5htp heart valves" then tell me if you want to keep taking it.




for starters, burden of proof. also, here's what i turned up from my googling:

Quote:

Q: People with a particular (and rare) type of serotonin-secreting tumor called hindgut carcinoid, also have various heart problems, such as fibrosis of the endocardium and right heart valves, and heart failure. Should they avoid 5-HTP?

A: That's also pretty scary - until you consider the fact that these conditions have nothing to do with 5-HTP. This rare disease (carcinoid) is associated with extremely high serotonin levels (much, much higher than are obtainable by taking recommended doses of 5-HTP). It's true that this disease, in a very few instances, is associated with the heart problems mentioned above. However, nobody who has studied carcinoid thoroughly would jump to the conclusion that 5-HTP or another serotonin precursor might cause it! There is no evidence to support an initiatory role for serotonin in hindgut carcinoid or any other disease, nor to justify the contention that 5-HTP can cause the kinds of dramatic increases in serum serotonin levels associated with carcinoid tumors. Furthermore, even if 5-HTP caused huge increases in serum serotonin levels - which it has not been demonstrated to do - there is no evidence that this, in itself, would be harmful or that it could increase heart valve problems.8 In fact, in cats, 5-HTP-induced serotonin production has been found to reduce vulnerability to ventricular fibrillation.9 (One caution, however, for anyone with this rare type of carcinoid tumor: Since there is a statistical correspondence between serum levels of serotonin and valvular heart disease in some patients with carcinoid tumors (19 out of 604 in the Duke study),10 it is inadvisable at this time for those with carcinoid cancer to take supplemental 5-HTP.)




source.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19212982 - 12/01/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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To relieve your MDMA hangover take some oxycodone or a benzo.



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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Apostle]
    #19213162 - 12/01/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I take lots of supplements but 5-htp is one I don't mess with.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19213165 - 12/01/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It gave me chest tightness, chest pain, irregular heart beat and made me tired.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: millzy]
    #19213215 - 12/01/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

millzy said:
Quote:

Bitter Cactus said:
Man google "5htp heart valves" then tell me if you want to keep taking it.




for starters, burden of proof. also, here's what i turned up from my googling:

Quote:

Q: People with a particular (and rare) type of serotonin-secreting tumor called hindgut carcinoid, also have various heart problems, such as fibrosis of the endocardium and right heart valves, and heart failure. Should they avoid 5-HTP?

A: That's also pretty scary - until you consider the fact that these conditions have nothing to do with 5-HTP. This rare disease (carcinoid) is associated with extremely high serotonin levels (much, much higher than are obtainable by taking recommended doses of 5-HTP). It's true that this disease, in a very few instances, is associated with the heart problems mentioned above. However, nobody who has studied carcinoid thoroughly would jump to the conclusion that 5-HTP or another serotonin precursor might cause it! There is no evidence to support an initiatory role for serotonin in hindgut carcinoid or any other disease, nor to justify the contention that 5-HTP can cause the kinds of dramatic increases in serum serotonin levels associated with carcinoid tumors. Furthermore, even if 5-HTP caused huge increases in serum serotonin levels - which it has not been demonstrated to do - there is no evidence that this, in itself, would be harmful or that it could increase heart valve problems.8 In fact, in cats, 5-HTP-induced serotonin production has been found to reduce vulnerability to ventricular fibrillation.9 (One caution, however, for anyone with this rare type of carcinoid tumor: Since there is a statistical correspondence between serum levels of serotonin and valvular heart disease in some patients with carcinoid tumors (19 out of 604 in the Duke study),10 it is inadvisable at this time for those with carcinoid cancer to take supplemental 5-HTP.)




source.




Same thing I found when I assumed the derelict burden of proof. I've read that is a bad idea to take 5-htp before MDMA, but never that it could cause problems when taken afterwards.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Epigallo]
    #19213292 - 12/01/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It shouldn't cause SS if you haven't taken it with mao-a inhibitors, serotonin releasers, or re uptake inhibitors. However, It does cause build of serotonin, where you don't want it to build up. Which made me stop taking it. I'll post a few articles when i locate them.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Legend]
    #19213324 - 12/01/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'd much rather take an SSRI long term then damage my heart valves with 5htp.

That much excess serotonin should not be circulating through your heart and body..


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19213336 - 12/01/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

indeed.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Legend]
    #19213892 - 12/01/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

5htp improves my mood, my memory, my sleep and it makes me trip balls on pretty much anything when i take it regularly. i don't take it during trips though. just 1-200mg nightly with melatonin for sleep. i've never had any problems and i've taken it for about 12 years now, maybe longer. i'll also refer to my source that clearly states that the heart valve thing is a myth. it was one of many that googling produced since i needed to "look it up" in an attempt to verify bitter cactus's claim.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: millzy]
    #19214721 - 12/01/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I used too take it everyday, but it started to make me lethargic all the time.

so now ill pop one the day after mdma usage and i feel 100%


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: millzy]
    #19214724 - 12/01/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

and i stopped taking 10mg melatonin everynight, godd that shit makes you feel like a slug haha


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: KILTRO]
    #19215875 - 12/02/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There were a few folks rockin round with that sign, the mdma caps going around weren't something to be trifled with either.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Stopwhispering]
    #19215887 - 12/02/13 04:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I know this is kind of off topic, but what's the deal with us Aussies

but why do we call it a "bushdoof". It sounds gay. It sounds like a dude fucking another dude behind a bush. Bushdoofing.

Why can't we just call it camping.


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    #19215892 - 12/02/13 04:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Guess it's not camp enough for that /shrug.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Stopwhispering]
    #19215894 - 12/02/13 04:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If i'm not mistaken, 5htp passes the blood brain barrier on its own and is active in its current state.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19215903 - 12/02/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I know this is kind of off topic, but what's the deal with us Aussies

but why do we call it a "bushdoof". It sounds gay. It sounds like a dude fucking another dude behind a bush. Bushdoofing.

Why can't we just call it camping.





Earthcore isn't really a bush doof, it has food and coffee vendors. :lol:


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Stopwhispering]
    #19215926 - 12/02/13 05:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Classy bush doof. :superiority:


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: Stopwhispering]
    #19215944 - 12/02/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

Into The Woods said:
I know this is kind of off topic, but what's the deal with us Aussies

but why do we call it a "bushdoof". It sounds gay. It sounds like a dude fucking another dude behind a bush. Bushdoofing.

Why can't we just call it camping.





Earthcore isn't really a bush doof, it has food and coffee vendors. :lol:




Yeah earthcore was kinda gay.. Bring on Rainbow


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: KILTRO]
    #19216195 - 12/02/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Its used for the comedown, I've met alot of people who buy it for that. As for seratonin syndrome, I've met people who were on antidepressants and just said they didn't roll as hard.  My guess would be it causes light light seratonin syndrome to where its just listed as a possibility for sensitive people or high dose cases.


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Re: Idiot selling 5htp... [Re: KILTRO]
    #19216206 - 12/02/13 07:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's fucking dangerous, regardless.


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