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kamealh
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downside to growing from store bought oyster???
#19210705 - 11/30/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lets say i went to store bought an oyster mushroom from overseas vendor cut open stem grew peice in agar isolated clean section of growth cut it out placed into another plate from that plate inoculated 10 jars of grain from those jars inoculated 10 big straw spawn bags from those bags i inoculated 10 HUGE STRAW/SAWDUST/WOODCHIPS COMPRESSED LOGS......
What am i doing wrong .... Remember country im in has NO plagerism laws and doesnt protect countries original mushroom seller is from ... Oh and i have no morals.....
Question is am i doing anything wrong... in a purely technical sence
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Re: downside to growing from store bought oyster??? [Re: kamealh]
#19211258 - 12/01/13 05:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A mushroom is a living entity - you can't plagiarize and I hope you can't patent one either.
some people suggest most growers expand right out before spawning so in theory a store-bought clone would decline or senescence. But if you ask the lab guys for most reputable growers you will quickly find out that it makes very little sense for professional growers to risk poor performance by doing so.
oyster mushrooms by their very nature (pearl in particular but also pink, etc) are highly aggressive and very easy to cultivate.
And my bet is that many who accept the belief that a store or market bought cline won't perform haven't tried it.
I've got awesome strains of king oyster and pearls that are market clones and I very much doubt that replicant fading occurs via one clone generation.
I actually have the aloha king oyster strain but I've never bothered to try it because the clone I got grows so well.
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Re: downside to growing from store bought oyster??? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#19211273 - 12/01/13 05:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i found that the freshness of a storebought mushroom matters a lot, even good looking but maybe one day older mushrooms grow way slower than when you clone the freshest. and if i buy a growbag from a grower, where the spawn would be expanded just as much, but i clone an oyster i just picked from the block, it grows real strong and fast and gives (i think) good flushes. so i think the main problem with cloning from a store bought mushroom is that they did decline in vigor, but mainly from the time between picking and cloning.
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OICU812
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Re: downside to growing from store bought oyster??? [Re: kamealh]
#19211277 - 12/01/13 05:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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kamealh said: Lets say i went to store bought an oyster mushroom from overseas vendor cut open stem grew peice in agar isolated clean section of growth cut it out placed into another plate from that plate inoculated 10 jars of grain from those jars inoculated 10 big straw spawn bags from those bags i inoculated 10 HUGE STRAW/SAWDUST/WOODCHIPS COMPRESSED LOGS......
I assume these bags are grain spawn as well. If not, they should be.
If the store bought source mushroom has been greatly expanded, you might experience poor BE.
Somewhere in GGMM, I recall Stamets mentioning the optimum substrate bag size for maximum BE at 5 lbs. (2.2 kilos). They are also much easier to handle than huge bags.
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kamealh
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Re: downside to growing from store bought oyster??? [Re: OICU812]
#19261180 - 12/11/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Awesome pointer thank you
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Re: downside to growing from store bought oyster??? [Re: kamealh]
#19263282 - 12/11/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edited by spore baby (12/15/14 01:45 AM)
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drake89
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Re: downside to growing from store bought oyster??? [Re: spore baby]
#19263515 - 12/11/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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some people were talking about getting vigorous clones from purchased mushrooms, and how some farmers get great strains like this. there was also talk about getting gill tissue so I'm not sure if that's going from spore or what. you may get more vigorous growth from spores. but like others said you can get good cultures from clones especially if they are fresh.
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ZippyHippyinWA
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Re: downside to growing from store bought oyster??? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#19263625 - 12/11/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Actually you can patent living entities in a number of countries. Its called a biological patent. See here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_patent
Let us all thank Monsanto and a number of pharmaceutical companies with DEEP pockets for lobbyists. All is right for profit,agreed? NOT!
P.S.-Sorry for off topic....just a pet peeve of mine.
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Edited by ZippyHippyinWA (12/11/13 11:52 PM)
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blindingleaf
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Re: downside to growing from store bought oyster??? [Re: ZippyHippyinWA]
#19284233 - 12/16/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I successfully cloned shiitaki and maitaki from the grocer. used inner tissue. did 6 plates of each, luckily, one of each set did not contam. the maitaki is very slow growing, have not made a transfer yet to grain or other medium. shiitaki has been transferred to other dishes as well as a BRF esque jar

its my first grow for shiitaki, and I have no wood chips I also work overnights and no car just a bike, so getting wood medium is difficult (not to mention carrying 50# bags of rye on ue back while biking home in the snow ). I noticed that the pet store has alder bedding. it looks like pulled pieces of it (think thick pieces of pulled pork), if I had a smartphone Id take a pic. its not like shavings. anyone tried or know of a thread where growth was achieved this way?
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Re: downside to growing from store bought oyster??? [Re: blindingleaf]
#19284313 - 12/16/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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alder bedding will work but wood fuel pellets are a better value.
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blindingleaf
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Re: downside to growing from store bought oyster??? [Re: t3chnobily]
#19284353 - 12/16/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cool. I def wanna get some pellets but home depot a long ride away. is the bedding soaked before pc'ing if using in jars? or is the bedding used as a substrate to spawn to?
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Re: downside to growing from store bought oyster??? [Re: blindingleaf]
#19284922 - 12/16/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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typically it is pasteurized then you spawn it with grain. Shiitake and maitake takes a looooong time to colonize. get a few bags going then knock out some oysters. They will be done and over before you see your first pin.
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Re: downside to growing from store bought oyster??? [Re: t3chnobily]
#19285833 - 12/16/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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t3chnobily said: Shiitake and maitake takes a looooong time to colonize. get a few bags going then knock out some oysters. They will be done and over before you see your first pin.
Good to know! I was wondering if my clone was just very old or something because it is colonizing slowly - but steadily! BlindingLeaf and I can have a race to get some fruits from our store-bought shiitake clones
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Edited by urthtown (12/16/13 08:28 PM)
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