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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19212006 - 12/01/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I smoke because I've been doing it for so long that if I stop, I feel like something is missing in my day to day routine, I feel like I need to find something to compensate the feeling for which there is nothing quite like smoking. It relieves stress, it helps me to cope with a monotonous lifestyle and because smoking withdrawal is a bitch. I'm not proud of it, I know I'm going to have to quit at some point but I don't because it's the most relaxing, rejuvenating part of my day and I've been used to it for so long.

Yes, it's addictive, in every sense of the word. Yes, it really is that hard to quit.


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: k00laid]
    #19212008 - 12/01/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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k00laid said:
nicotine is at least as addictive as heroin

according to every study performed on the subject.


but i understand your experiences trump those studies.



same addictiveness, I'll agree just because you'll never drop it.


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19212010 - 12/01/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'll agree just because you'll never drop it i have no evidence to support my claims.





i fixed that for ya


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: k00laid] * 1
    #19212013 - 12/01/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You can't out argue cypher dude, he is like Jesus


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: Soulidarity]
    #19212022 - 12/01/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You can't out argue cypher dude, he is like Jesus




he just told me that peer reviewed scientific studies are not good enough support for my assertions.


yeah.....


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: k00laid] * 1
    #19212029 - 12/01/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Watch him pull some Jedi mind tricks shit tho


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: k00laid] * 1
    #19212034 - 12/01/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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k00laid said:
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I'll agree just because you'll never drop it i have no evidence to support my claims.





i fixed that for ya



:lol:

I don't like the studies you cited because they likely didn't consider some important factors.


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: Psilosopherr] * 2
    #19212036 - 12/01/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There are inherent difficulties in objectively comparing how "addictive" one drug is to another.  Other than speculation, no such study exists.


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: k00laid]
    #19212039 - 12/01/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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k00laid said:
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Soulidarity said:
You can't out argue cypher dude, he is like Jesus




he just told me that peer reviewed scientific studies are not good enough support for my assertions.


yeah.....



like he said, not every study, simply because it is peer reviewed, means it is factual.


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: badchad]
    #19212048 - 12/01/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Other than speculation, no such study exists.




when 30% of people who smoke nicotine get addicted
and 25% of people who use heroin get addicted

it's pretty safe to say that nicotine is at least as addictive as heroin


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19212049 - 12/01/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Go pick up a real habit, start smoking

After a few years quitting isn't an attractive option. Even after you're done binging on other things. For me it was the bottle. I can only imagine what a heroin user would feel like trying to kick opiates and nicotine


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: k00laid] * 1
    #19212064 - 12/01/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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k00laid said:
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badchad said:
Other than speculation, no such study exists.




when 30% of people who smoke nicotine get addicted
and 25% of people who use heroin get addicted

it's pretty safe to say that nicotine is at least as addictive as heroin



maybe find more than one study?

repeating the same statistics from the same study doesn't seem to help your case


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: badchad] * 1
    #19212067 - 12/01/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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There are inherent difficulties in objectively comparing how "addictive" one drug is to another.  Other than speculation, no such study exists.




Exactly.  In addition, a scientific study of addiction commences testing of its hypothesis with a predetermined philosophical definition of 'addictiveness'.  Without a solid consensus of this concept's definition, any study you attempt to use to bolster your assertions is effectively useless.


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: deCypher]
    #19212071 - 12/01/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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badchad said:
There are inherent difficulties in objectively comparing how "addictive" one drug is to another.  Other than speculation, no such study exists.




Exactly.



i thought that was well said too.


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: deCypher]
    #19212086 - 12/01/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Without a solid consensus of this concept's definition, any study you attempt to use to bolster your assertions is effectively useless.




you think the medical community doesn't have a solid consensus of what addiction is?

what the fuck is wrong with the people in this thread


this stuff was figured out a long time ago....


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19212090 - 12/01/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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rbalzer said:
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k00laid said:
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badchad said:
Other than speculation, no such study exists.




when 30% of people who smoke nicotine get addicted
and 25% of people who use heroin get addicted

it's pretty safe to say that nicotine is at least as addictive as heroin



maybe find more than one study?

repeating the same statistics from the same study doesn't seem to help your case




so then ill find a study that says 29% and 20% respectively

then ill find one that says 20% and 15% respectively

and then you'll keep making the same straw-man arguments.


instead of attacking the facts themselves
you keep attacking things around the facts, trying to discount the facts.


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: k00laid]
    #19212092 - 12/01/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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k00laid said:
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deCypher said:
Without a solid consensus of this concept's definition, any study you attempt to use to bolster your assertions is effectively useless.




you think the medical community doesn't have a solid consensus of what addiction is?

what the fuck is wrong with the people in this thread


this stuff was figured out a long time ago....




The medical community may have a consensus as to what the state of addiction is (even then you'll run into differences of opinion and various grey areas/discrepancies relating to different people defining substance abuse differently from addiction), but they certainly don't have a consensus as to how to rank the quality of addictiveness.  :sorry:


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: deCypher]
    #19212096 - 12/01/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The medical community may have a consensus as to what addiction is, but they certainly don't have a consensus as to how to rank the quality of addictiveness.





it can easily be ranked by percentage of users becoming addicted.

which has been done

and i posted it.


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: k00laid]
    #19212100 - 12/01/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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deCypher said:
The medical community may have a consensus as to what addiction is, but they certainly don't have a consensus as to how to rank the quality of addictiveness.





it can easily be ranked by percentage of users becoming addicted.

which has been done

and i posted it.



so, some people don't buy the study results and some do.

Maybe its time for a new approach..


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Re: Is it REALLY that hard to quit nicotine? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19212105 - 12/01/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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rbalzer said:
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k00laid said:
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deCypher said:
The medical community may have a consensus as to what addiction is, but they certainly don't have a consensus as to how to rank the quality of addictiveness.





it can easily be ranked by percentage of users becoming addicted.

which has been done

and i posted it.



so, some people don't buy the study results and some do.

Maybe its time for a new approach..




anecdotes from the online mushroom community is not the next best approach.


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