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Ordered sterilized grain bags -- Burst kernels
    #19210419 - 11/30/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Should I complain? I ordered 12 bags from this vendor a month ago and 11 of them failed. I contacted him and he gave me another 6 bags. It appears that all 6 bags are mainly filled with burst milo. Will these bags be OK?  The vendor is a shroomery sponsor but I decided to get your opinions first before posting in the sponsors forum.





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Re: Ordered sterilized grain bags -- Burst kernels [Re: cannabinated]
    #19210423 - 11/30/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Those grains do look very poorly prepared......

That is all I got.....


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Re: Ordered sterilized grain bags -- Burst kernels [Re: cannabinated]
    #19210452 - 11/30/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

bro i had the same shiet happen to me the last time i ordered.. i ordered specifically 12 rye bags, i ended up gettin 10 crappy rye bags and 2 crappier wbs bags.. THEY REPLACED MY ORDER without even letting me know.. Last time i ever order from them


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Re: Ordered sterilized grain bags -- Burst kernels [Re: cannabinated]
    #19210461 - 11/30/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ugh.. thats all the confirmation I need. I really hope he does something about this but I doubt it since it would be the second reship.


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Re: Ordered sterilized grain bags -- Burst kernels [Re: cannabinated]
    #19211098 - 12/01/13 02:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:lolwut:

Those look fine.

I bet if you inoculate them with good sterile procedures and clean culture, they will work perfectly.


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Re: Ordered sterilized grain bags -- Burst kernels [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19211104 - 12/01/13 02:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Bursting exposes the inside and makes them more susceptible to contamination, where-as whole kernels (unbursted) use the seed coat as protection from invaders, which is why it is there in the first place. IE; all the endosperm is exposed to whatever gets in it. Endosperm is the stored nutrients for the seed, which is rich in starch.


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Re: Ordered sterilized grain bags -- Burst kernels [Re: cannabinated]
    #19211108 - 12/01/13 02:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've seen burst grains and I'm aware of how they are defined :lol:

Those grains will work fine. They're pretty much perfect.

Out of 500+ quarts of grain in the last year six months, they've all worked great and been contam-free when they look like that.

From what I've seen, you don't really have any substantial evidence to support your claims..this is going to be your undoing :shrug:

edit: did some proper math :lol:


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Re: Ordered sterilized grain bags -- Burst kernels [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19211112 - 12/01/13 02:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sure you are.


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Re: Ordered sterilized grain bags -- Burst kernels [Re: cannabinated]
    #19211220 - 12/01/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Should I complain? I ordered 12 bags from this vendor a month ago and 11 of them failed. I contacted him and he gave me another 6 bags. It appears that all 6 bags are mainly filled with burst milo. Will these bags be OK?  The vendor is a shroomery sponsor but I decided to get your opinions first before posting in the sponsors forum.








No, those look fine.  The moisture content is about right and there's not that many broken grains.  I prefer rye, but there's no reason that isn't going to work if handled properly and inoculated under sterile conditions.
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Re: Ordered sterilized grain bags -- Burst kernels [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19211222 - 12/01/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Are there grains in there that aren't broken?


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Re: Ordered sterilized grain bags -- Burst kernels [Re: teknix]
    #19211231 - 12/01/13 04:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I only said what I said because when I experience busrt grains like that I am left with a clumpy, starchy mess....


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Re: Ordered sterilized grain bags -- Burst kernels [Re: cannabinated]
    #19211344 - 12/01/13 06:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the responses, guys. I just inoculated, we'll see what happens. Im not too worried about loose starches, since the grain is in a bag it will be easy to break apart. However, there was an overly moist bag or two in the bunch.


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Re: Ordered sterilized grain bags -- Burst kernels [Re: cannabinated]
    #19211417 - 12/01/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

and yeah, i think it would be hard to find just one in tact kernel


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Re: Ordered sterilized grain bags -- Burst kernels [Re: cannabinated]
    #19211515 - 12/01/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Like hacker said, the problem with burst grains is with starches causing a clumpy mess.

Contamination of burst kernels is not an issue at this stage because they are in a sterile environment and will colonize fine.

The contamination issue you're referring could arise if you break colonized grains while mixing in you substrate, because it can expose the uncolonized inside. This is a different than burst kernels in your bags/jars

Your bags appear fine. They are not a sticky mess. They should colonize fine.


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Re: Ordered sterilized grain bags -- Burst kernels [Re: cannabinated]
    #19211650 - 12/01/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Those look fine to me.  It is economically more feasible to make your own that way you can also use a procedure you are familiar with and have no one to complain too.

As for the failure I'd check into how dry your air is, if there is a contam issue upon inoculation, and what size the filter patch is 0.2 micron or 0.5-0.6 micron


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