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THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays.
#19210357 - 11/30/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Now, I know what your thinking. Oven tek's don't work, but I'm here to show you how they can and do work.
The things you will need are as follows:
Aluminum trays Aluminum Foil Flour Verm Coir Spawn
1. The first thing you do is mix up your cake mix, 50% verm and 50% flour works fine. The flour you can buy at a grocery store, and can choose between wheat or rye flour. You can mix it up in the tray. If you are going to fruit from the tray only fill it up about 1/3 of the way at field capacity. If you want to spawn a tub then fill it up about 2/3 of the way. Label the tray.
2. Next, get another tray for your casing layer, again 50% verm and 50% coir at field capacity is fine, and cover it with aluminum foil and cover it with aluminum foil twice and go around the outside 3-4 times to make sure it is completely sealed. Label the tray.
3. Turn the oven to 350 F, and put the trays in the oven. When the temperature in the oven reaches 350 you can turn it down to 250 and let it bake for an hour.
Now you have a couple of options, you can go for a monotub or make a tray. The tray has less risk of contams because you can do it in the glove box but you can also spawn a tub. I will explain how to do a tray first.
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4. Let the trays cool down to room temperature and put them in the glove box or under the flowhood.
5. Cover the cake mix with spawn, filling the tray to about 3/4.
6. Cover the spawn with an inch or two of casing and seal it back up with aluminum foil. Put the tray in a grocery sack and tie it shut.
7. Wait 2-3 weeks and fruit the tray.
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Now if you want to spawn a monotub you will need some cardboard and a tub:
4. While the cake mix and casing are cooking, boil some cardboard, enough to layer across the tub.
5. Once the cake mix is finished cooking and while it is still hot, dump it into the tub and cover all the exposed area with cardboard. (If you have a flowhood you can skip this part)
6. Let the cake-mix and casing cool to room temperature.
7. inoculate the tub with enough spawn to cover the cardboard that is covering the cakemix.
8. Cover the spawn with the casing. The depth will depend on the amount of spawn and size of the tub, but 1 - 2 inches should be fine.
9. Put the tub in a big pastic trash bag and let it incubate for 2-4 weeks. (depending on the spawn / cake-mix ratio)
10. Fruit it.
That's it!
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix] 1
#19210388 - 11/30/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This should be labeled as an experiment, not a tek......
But hey....more power to ya......
BRF does not get made to field capacity, that is way too wet for BRF and verm.
Field capacity only applies to the preparation of bulk substrates, not cake mix.
Once you take it out of the oven it is no longer sterile, meaning you will have sucessfully just wasted your time.
Not only that, dry heat is a great way to ruin your moisture content....this is why we use steam.....
1-2 inches is too thick for a casing layer.
Just a warning to all who try this.....prepare for failure....success is possible...but then again so is winning the lottery.
The next 5-10 pages will explain, in full detail why.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210397 - 11/30/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also I'm probably just being picky but usually a good tek has photos illustrating the process from beginning to end
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210450 - 11/30/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: This should be labeled as an experiment, not a tek......
But hey....more power to ya......
BRF does not get made to field capacity, that is way too wet for BRF and verm.
Field capacity only applies to the preparation of bulk substrates, not cake mix.
Once you take it out of the oven it is no longer sterile, meaning you will have sucessfully just wasted your time.
Not only that, dry heat is a great way to ruin your moisture content....this is why we use steam.....
1-2 inches is too thick for a casing layer.
Just a warning to all who try this.....prepare for failure....success is possible...but then again so is winning the lottery.
In this case it does. Why you so down on it when you haven't tried it?
What reason do you have to have an opinion on the matter with 0 experience with it? That is called a misleading appeal to authority.
The fact is you have no idea if it will work, and don't have any good reason why it wouldn't/doesn't.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19210459 - 11/30/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also I'm probably just being picky but usually a good tek has photos illustrating the process from beginning to end 
I don't feel pics are necessary, it's pretty simple.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210495 - 11/30/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was going to try this experiment for grins and giggles I still might but after my fractional sterilization experiment disaster I'm just sticking to stream and pressure cooking. I might try it but I'm going to do a tray covered foil so they can steam.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Enigma1]
#19210503 - 11/30/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, that's how you have to do it.
It works, and it is really easy.
Make sure the foil is on tight all around it, you probably should go around the edges 3 or 4 times to make sure, and double check the foil isn't ripped or have any holes in it.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210559 - 11/30/13 11:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: The fact is you have no idea if it will work, and don't have any good reason why it wouldn't/doesn't.
I just listed a bunch of reasons why I think it will fail.....
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210570 - 11/30/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Probably have a better success than ordering from spores101 :} jk love you guys for the help before
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210592 - 11/30/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: The fact is you have no idea if it will work, and don't have any good reason why it wouldn't/doesn't.
I just listed a bunch of reasons why I think it will fail.....
Not good reasons.

1st of all you are preparing bulk, second of all you aren't sterilizing anything, 3rd of all aluminum foil is covering the tray when it comes out of the oven and 4th of all you are steaming it in the oven.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210605 - 11/30/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The fact is you have no idea if it will work, and don't have any good reason why it wouldn't/doesn't.
He's given you several good reasons why it won't work. However it may appear to work since contaminants take time to show up, but most likely you'd have mold by the end of the first flush. Also setting the oven to 250F is not going to heat the substrate to 250F. One hour at 250F or even 350F is not long enough to oven sterilize anything.
Oh and let me reiterate, BRF (or any other flour) is not bulk substrate. It would be nice if BRF didn't need to be sterilized but it does. Any who has lost a BRF cake to contamination can tell you that.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19210656 - 11/30/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The water starts steaming at below 212 bro, and it will be steaming a good amount of time, anyways I'm not here to try to convince you it works, use it or don't.
I know it works, and that's pretty much all the assurance you are gonna get unless you try it.
You might want to define bulk and then define substrate and then decide if it qualifies.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210691 - 11/30/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: You might want to define bulk and then define substrate and then decide if it qualifies.
Oh is that so?
I think you define bulk as "coir."
And guess what?
This only works for coir.
So instead of saying "No PC for bulk tubs/trays," you should say "no PC coir prep."
This shit would never pass with hpoo based substrates. Don't pretend it will.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210700 - 11/30/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're wrong. Steaming absolutely works with flour. Especially when it is stuck to verm that can get hotter than water.
I don't know if it would work with poo or not, but It is possible if you mix it with 50% verm.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210709 - 11/30/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Of course you can steam PF cakes. That's been known for a decade.
But I was referring to bulk substrate, which you referenced incorrectly.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19210712 - 11/30/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kizzle said: Oh and let me reiterate, BRF (or any other flour) is not bulk substrate. It would be nice if BRF didn't need to be sterilized but it does. Any who has lost a BRF cake to contamination can tell you that.
This.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210714 - 11/30/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bulk sub to me is a large amount of nutritive substrate in a large container.
Is it a bulk amount and is it substrate?
How do you define it?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210723 - 11/30/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bulk substrate is a low-to-medium-nutrient, high-moisture medium for mycelial expansion beyond the grains alone.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210729 - 12/01/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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bulk bΙlk/Submit noun 1. the mass or magnitude of something large.
The title says bulk tubs/trays, nothing wrong with it.
And in fact, this has potential to be better classified as bulk than anything you could fit in a PC, considering how much larger ovens generally are.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210735 - 12/01/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you ask what I define bulk substrate as, I define it and explain what it is.
And then you define it for me?

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FrankHorrigan said: Bulk substrate is a low-to-medium-nutrient, high-moisture medium for mycelial expansion beyond the grains alone.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210739 - 12/01/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: The water starts steaming at below 212 bro, and it will be steaming a good amount of time, anyways I'm not here to try to convince you it works, use it or don't.
I know it works, and that's pretty much all the assurance you are gonna get unless you try it.
You might want to define bulk and then define substrate and then decide if it qualifies.
That's drying your substrate not steaming it. Steaming is transferring heat to your substrate with steam not from.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210742 - 12/01/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nah, we posted about the same time, I decided to look it up, and reread the title which says "Bulk" Rather than Bulk Substrate.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210745 - 12/01/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: Nah, we posted about the same time, I decided to look it up, and reread the title which says "Bulk" Rather than Bulk Substrate.
So you are choosing to define bulk differently than what the rest of the shroomery defines it as.
Ok.
How do you define "bulk substrate?"
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19210747 - 12/01/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's drying your substrate not steaming it. Steaming is transferring heat to your substrate with steam not from.
Huh? Water is being evaporated through the sub. The water is heated an in turn heats the sub. The container is covered so the water recondenses on the aluminum foil and drops back into the tray to be evaporated through the sub again.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210763 - 12/01/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, so here is what we've gathered here:
Coir can be sterilized or pasteurized or crappily pasteurized. And it will still perform fine as bulk substrate.
Coir is good sterile or not. Dry or wet. Any consistency really.
Before you advocate a crappy, disproven tek, perhaps you should study what it is you are talking about. If you can't define bulk substrate, then you clearly are not in the position to make broad, sweeping statements about such.
Coir will forgive you for the shittiest of procedures. For a test of your methods, use hpoo for bulk substrate.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210768 - 12/01/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: Nah, we posted about the same time, I decided to look it up, and reread the title which says "Bulk" Rather than Bulk Substrate.
So you are choosing to define bulk differently than what the rest of the shroomery defines it as.
Ok.
How do you define "bulk substrate?"
Bulk substrate is a large amount of nutritive substrate that is used for spawning mycelium to a large container, to colonize and fruit from the container.
The rest of the shroomery? I'm sure there are people here who understand what bulk means.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210780 - 12/01/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well since you are here to tell us what we should tell you, I'm going to opt out of your little power trip.
I leave you with the best wisdom you'll get from the rest of this thread.
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Ok, so here is what we've gathered here:
Coir can be sterilized or pasteurized or crappily pasteurized. And it will still perform fine as bulk substrate.
Coir is good sterile or not. Dry or wet. Any consistency really.
Before you advocate a crappy, disproven tek, perhaps you should study what it is you are talking about. If you can't define bulk substrate, then you clearly are not in the position to make broad, sweeping statements about such.
Coir will forgive you for the shittiest of procedures. For a test of your methods, use hpoo for bulk substrate.

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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210783 - 12/01/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So what makes the coir a bulk sub? lol . . .
I don't think you need tell me anything, tbh.
You came in a jumped on the other guys fail boat. 
Good luck.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210800 - 12/01/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The water's not heating anything. The oven has to heat the water and when the water evaporates it takes some of the heat with it. I guarantee it's not going to condense on the foil either while the oven is still on. That can only happen when the temperature under the foil is hotter than the temperature above it.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19210805 - 12/01/13 12:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Steaming water heats things.
I guarantee it works.
Irregardless of why you think it might not, you won't really know until you try it.
We can argue the semantics all day, but those don't keep it from working.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210828 - 12/01/13 12:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because I already know what happens to grains, whole or ground, if they're not thoroughly sterilized and kept sterile until fully colonized.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19210834 - 12/01/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Evidently you don't.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210875 - 12/01/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210887 - 12/01/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice pics.
Still doesn't aid your argument, more of a red herring.
Try the tek and post the results imo.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210898 - 12/01/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I said you can steam PF cakes no problem.
But yes, I was just trying to distract you from how right you are.
Oops!
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210900 - 12/01/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol, or distract yourself from being wrong.
You went with what the guy said the title said, rather than what the title said.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210906 - 12/01/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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But oven pasteurization doesn't work for anything but coir.
And I said that you can steam PF cakes no problem. And use them as spawn.
What is your point?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210910 - 12/01/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're gonna be here for a while frank....get comfy....this guy is a real winner....been dealing with him all day.
According to him cakes do not need to be sterilized, you can just boil them........
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210911 - 12/01/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You just said cakes can be steamed, and why do you think that is true for flour and not so much whole grains?
My point is obviously in the OP, what is yours?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
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FrankHorrigan said: But oven pasteurization doesn't work for anything but coir.
And I said that you can steam PF cakes no problem. And use them as spawn.
What is your point?
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According to him cakes do not need to be sterilized, you can just boil them........
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
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Steaming sterilizes them bro......If you steam them for the proper amount of time.....
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
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Notahacker420 said: Steaming sterilizes them bro......If you steam them for the proper amount of time.....
Ask frank if steaming = sterilizing.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210918 - 12/01/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: You're gonna be here for a while frank....get comfy....this guy is a real winner....been dealing with him all day.
According to him cakes do not need to be sterilized, you can just boil them........
Boiling cakes (like RR's video describes) IS sterilizing them. But quart jars of grains don't conduct heat like PF cakes do and therefore need to be sterilized either at 15PSI for 90 minutes or boiled for 6-8 hours. And even that boil for the grains is risky.
This is why I'm wondering what the deal is. And why no one else's definition of "bulk" is what he defines "bulk" as.
The advice still stands:
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FrankHorrigan said: Coir can be sterilized or pasteurized or crappily pasteurized. And it will still perform fine as bulk substrate.
Coir is good sterile or not. Dry or wet. Any consistency really.
Before you advocate a crappy, disproven tek, perhaps you should study what it is you are talking about. If you can't define bulk substrate, then you clearly are not in the position to make broad, sweeping statements about such.
Coir will forgive you for the shittiest of procedures. For a test of your methods, use hpoo for bulk substrate.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210925 - 12/01/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because he is a troll....obvious trolls are, well.....obvious....
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19209627#19209627
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210927 - 12/01/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: You're gonna be here for a while frank....get comfy....this guy is a real winner....been dealing with him all day.
According to him cakes do not need to be sterilized, you can just boil them........
Boiling cakes (like RR's video describes) IS sterilizing them. But quart jars of grains don't conduct heat like PF cakes do and therefore need to be sterilized either at 15PSI for 90 minutes or boiled for 6-8 hours. And even that boil for the grains is risky.
This is why I'm wondering what the deal is. And why no one else's definition of "bulk" is what he defines "bulk" as 
Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium. Evaporating water only gets to 212 max.
How you got trusted bro?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210930 - 12/01/13 01:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: Because he is a troll....obvious trolls are, well.....obvious....
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19209627#19209627
^ Case and point.....
Yep, I got that.
But I wanted to point out all the logical fallacies before letting it lie.
Sounds like a ghostinthemist style shitbird 
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210933 - 12/01/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.
Killing all microbial activity present in the medium.
If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.
The same cannot be said for grains.
A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210937 - 12/01/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You guy are trolling my thread from all appearances.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210939 - 12/01/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: Try the tek and post the results imo.
I'm as skeptical as the others, but instead of arguing with you about the theory (they have that pretty well covered), I'd invite you to try the tek and post the results. I don't believe you've done either.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210941 - 12/01/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.
Killing all microbial activity present in the medium.
If you have a microscope, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.
Not activity, all microbes. Sterile is without microbes. Do you know what a prion is?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210943 - 12/01/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.
Killing all microbial activity present in the medium.
If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.
The same cannot be said for grains.
A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.
See? I defined it for you.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210944 - 12/01/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol, at all the armchair mycologists in here.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210945 - 12/01/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.
Killing all microbial activity present in the medium.
If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.
The same cannot be said for grains.
A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210946 - 12/01/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said:
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FrankHorrigan said:
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Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.
Killing all microbial activity present in the medium.
If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.
The same cannot be said for grains.
A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.
See? I defined it for you.
Nah, you defined it for you.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210950 - 12/01/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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sterΒ·iΒ·lize ΛsterΙΛlΔ«z/Submit verb 1. make (something) free from bacteria or other living microorganisms.
Point.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210951 - 12/01/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.
Killing all microbial activity present in the medium.
If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.
The same cannot be said for grains.
A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.

Go get some experience under your belt and get back to us.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210953 - 12/01/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said:
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Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.
Killing all microbial activity present in the medium.
If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.
The same cannot be said for grains.
A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.
You even got a scope bro?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210955 - 12/01/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep, and done the tests.
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FrankHorrigan said:
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Then define sterilizing. Every definition I know of would require 15 psi to achieve with a saturated medium.
Killing all microbial activity present in the medium.
If you have a microscope and clean-ish environment, you would see that boiling PF cakes sterilizes them.
The same cannot be said for grains.
A simple test of boiling a quart size grain jar and PF cake jar for the same amount of time would yield the same results...PF cake good, grains bad.

Go get some experience under your belt and get back to us.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210956 - 12/01/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I take that as a no?
My experience exceeds that of growing cubes, lol.
You got a trusted tag and don't even know what sterilization is.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210959 - 12/01/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: Yep, and done the tests.
And you haven't.
Obviously
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210963 - 12/01/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210966 - 12/01/13 01:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No need for popcorn, Hacker.
If dude has something to prove, it's on him to prove it.
So let's see those results, OP
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210968 - 12/01/13 01:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rofl, I'm sure you have examined entire jars under a scope, if so lets see the pics.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210970 - 12/01/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: No need for popcorn, Hacker.
If dude has something to prove, it's on him to prove it.
So let's see those results, OP 
You wish.
I see the trusted tag means about squat.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210975 - 12/01/13 01:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I wish you did have some actual results to back up your "tek."
But...

And now we just wait for this thread to die...good job proving your points OP
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210979 - 12/01/13 01:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pics or what didn't happen? The tek is there, so it happened.
2 years later your gonna be using it and be like, hmm, this is way easier, why didn't I think of that.
So many more nutes for the myc to use.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210984 - 12/01/13 01:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can write a bogus tek in about 4 minutes......that does not mean it's a good tek, or that it ever happened.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210987 - 12/01/13 01:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No you can't.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19210989 - 12/01/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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1. Shit in a jar.
2. inoculate said jar with spores.
3. wait 3-4 weeks and then birth, dunk and roll.
(EDIT: Took about 30 seconds)
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210990 - 12/01/13 01:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That was not four minutes.
It doesn't matter anyways, the tek speaks for itself, and if you have an inkling of rationale, it should be evident that it works just fine.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19210992 - 12/01/13 01:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: 1. Shit in a jar.
2. inoculate said jar with spores.
3. wait 3-4 weeks and then birth, dunk and roll.
(EDIT: Took about 30 seconds)
DUDE THAT IS THE BEST TEK
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19210999 - 12/01/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Look how popular you guys made the thread in just three hours!
I guess I owe you a debt of gratitude, thanks!
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211002 - 12/01/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker, your tek is garbage. Watch and learn:
1. Shit in a jar.
2. Bake jar in oven at 250 for an hour.
2. inoculate said jar with spores.
3. wait 3-4 weeks and then birth, dunk and roll.
Yeah, that's right. There are two steps labeled number 2 because you take a dump in a jar.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
#19211003 - 12/01/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19211006 - 12/01/13 01:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, no, no.
You shit in the jar and let it dry for a week.
Then you piss in the jar to get it to field capacity.
Since your piss is sterile, it sterilizes your shit.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
#19211007 - 12/01/13 01:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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van der griegen said: Notahacker, your tek is garbage. Watch and learn:
1. Shit in a jar.
2. Bake jar in oven at 250 for an hour.
2. inoculate said jar with spores.
3. wait 3-4 weeks and then birth, dunk and roll.
Yeah, that's right. There are two steps labeled number 2 because you take a dump in a jar. 
Shouldn't dunk and roll be separate considering there is a considerable time span between them?
Also waiting 3-4 weeks might be separate from birthing.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211013 - 12/01/13 01:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like how the OP is now trying to be part of the conversation
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211018 - 12/01/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not butt hurt because I know it works and you guys are making fools of yourself, quite amusing really.
Especially running trusted into the ground, so funny.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211019 - 12/01/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: Shouldn't dunk and roll be separate considering there is a considerable time span between them?
Shouldn't you post a picture of any successful grow you've ever had by this method?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
#19211022 - 12/01/13 01:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shouldn't you post a picture of any successful grow you've ever had by this method?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211023 - 12/01/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: Shouldn't dunk and roll be separate considering there is a considerable time span between them?
Shouldn't you post a picture of any successful grow you've ever had by this method?
Nah, I don't need to.
Why is that? With Notahacker's Take-A-Dump tek, he can at least provide a whole bunch of pictures of cubensis growing on unpasteurized turds. You can't do the same.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
#19211025 - 12/01/13 01:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because anyone with sense can understand how and why it works, and if not then they don't need to use it.
It's not for my benefit to post it.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211026 - 12/01/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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OH DEM SHROOMS
OH DEM TUBS

OH DAT DUNK

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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211028 - 12/01/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can't tell if he's trolling or just on some excellent drugs. Definitely glad I got in on the ground floor of this shit tho, has been very entertaining.
Don't try and get a pic of nothing from him, he already told me that he won't post anything incriminating 
Went through some of his posts. Some look like he was on his meds, but then I came across this classic;
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9065630#9065630
Sorry OP but you gotta admit this shit is funny
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19211031 - 12/01/13 01:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haha yah, that one was nuts. It was before I took biology. I was goofing, but some people thought it was serious.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211036 - 12/01/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just have to say.
DEM KINGS
DEM HOLES

DAT OAK RIDGE
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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Where you from?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211040 - 12/01/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your mom
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211047 - 12/01/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Are you from the USA?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211050 - 12/01/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is your mom from the USA?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211051 - 12/01/13 01:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What are you like 15 or something?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211056 - 12/01/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I asked first.
Besides you would know if she birthed you.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211058 - 12/01/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, you did ask first.
Enough wasting time with this thread.
To anyone seeing, this:
Yes, you can boil PF cakes to sterilize them, as RR shows in his videos.
Yes, you can pasteurize/sterilize coir in any number of crappy ways and get away with it.
No, you should not try to do the same with a jar of grains.
No, you should not "oven tek" any substrate. Coir you might be able to get away with but don't ever risk it with hpoo or cpoo or coffee or what-have-you.
Here are my write ups. They are helpful if you are trying to grow mushrooms
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211060 - 12/01/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks.
Canadian prob.
You know exactly where it was going, so you dodge out. Funny guy.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19211071 - 12/01/13 02:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: Yes, you did ask first.
Enough wasting time with this thread.
To anyone seeing, this:
Yes, you can boil PF cakes to sterilize them, as RR shows in his videos.
Yes, you can pasteurize/sterilize coir in any number of crappy ways and get away with it.
No, you should not try to do the same with a jar of grains.
Here are my write ups. They are helpful if you are trying to grow mushrooms

Who the fuck said anything about a jar of grains? You only provided evidence that the tek works.

Good job, and thanks!
Flour goes in a cake and it goes in this tek, and they are both being boiled.
1 + 1 = 2 OMG!
Still didn't see any microscopy.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211192 - 12/01/13 04:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: The fact is you have no idea if it will work, and don't have any good reason why it wouldn't/doesn't.
I just listed a bunch of reasons why I think it will fail.....
Not good reasons.

1st of all you are preparing bulk, second of all you aren't sterilizing anything, 3rd of all aluminum foil is covering the tray when it comes out of the oven and 4th of all you are steaming it in the oven.
1. No, you are not preparing bulk if it has flour in it.
2. Correct, it's not sterilizing. The problem is grains/flour must be sterilized.
3. Aluminum foil? It isn't a contamination barrier if that's the idea.
4. No, you are not steaming it in the oven. By definition, when the center of the substrate reaches 212F/100C, all moisture will be gone. This is why we use actual steam in a steaming pot or pressure cooker-the saturation humidity prevents the substrate drying out during heat treatment.
A tray in the oven at 350F for 1 hour will be unlikely to reach pasteurization temperature in the center of the substrate. My turkey cooked in a 350F oven for 2 1/2 hours last Thursday just to get the center to 165F, and it was at room temperature at the start of the cooking cycle. RR
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19211199 - 12/01/13 04:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh, I forgot to say,
Get rid of the flaming and attitudes please, and that applies to everyone getting pissy. RR
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19211206 - 12/01/13 04:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: The fact is you have no idea if it will work, and don't have any good reason why it wouldn't/doesn't.
I just listed a bunch of reasons why I think it will fail.....
Not good reasons.

1st of all you are preparing bulk, second of all you aren't sterilizing anything, 3rd of all aluminum foil is covering the tray when it comes out of the oven and 4th of all you are steaming it in the oven.
1. No, you are not preparing bulk if it has flour in it.
2. Correct, it's not sterilizing. The problem is grains/flour must be sterilized.
3. Aluminum foil? It isn't a contamination barrier if that's the idea.
4. No, you are not steaming it in the oven. By definition, when the center of the substrate reaches 212F/100C, all moisture will be gone. This is why we use actual steam in a steaming pot or pressure cooker-the saturation humidity prevents the substrate drying out during heat treatment.
A tray in the oven at 350F for 1 hour will be unlikely to reach pasteurization temperature in the center of the substrate. My turkey cooked in a 350F oven for 2 1/2 hours last Thursday just to get the center to 165F, and it was at room temperature at the start of the cooking cycle. RR
That's funny, because I could have swore you made a video about making cakes by boiling and using flour. (and that would not be sterilizing, but it still works, amirite?)
If so, your argument is lacking consistency, same as the other guy.
The aluminum foil holds the water inside and recycles it, just like the water cycle, evaporation, -> condensation -> precipitation.
Also the substrate coming out of the oven would kill pretty much anything that landed on it, and I'm pretty certain aluminum foil has been used as a cover in your teks as well?.
Correct, boiling is not sterilizing, I never claimed it was.
Also I think you mean that it isn't making a bulk substrate, rather than bulk, which we will have to agree to disagree on this point.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
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He didn't boil anything but the water in the pot....the cakes were steam sterilized for 90 minutes.....
He was referring to your "oven method" not sterilizing anything....which is bad, because the entire point of applying heat at this point is to sterilize the substrate in the jars/bags.
BRF needs to be sterile, and remain that way until fully colonized.
Your method does not achieve this.....steam sterilizing them for 90 minutes does.....dry heat bad.....steam good.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
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How is the steam getting from outside the jar inside of it?
The steam is coming from water within the jar, same concept as it comming from within the tray.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211221 - 12/01/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's not....it allows for there to be no evaporation of the moisture inside the cake....which means the moisture content of the jars should remain the same.
Foil or not, in an oven moisture IS going to escape from the substrate.....this is bad....not good.
Also, heat from steam will penetrate to the center of the jars quicker than dry heat from an oven.
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This makes no sense....why would you want this to happen....the steam comes from the water in the bottom of the pot....there is no steam in an oven.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19211225 - 12/01/13 04:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What are you talking about? The steam is going through the glass huh?
The water content stays the same because it is covered and condenses on the top only to precipitate again. Try to take the lid of and tell me it isn't steaming inside.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
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No...I never said that....I said the heat does...stop twisting everyones words around.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19211230 - 12/01/13 04:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Then what are you talking about? Where's the steam coming from to get inside the jar to get on the flour?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
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The steam is coming from water within the jar, same concept as it comming from within the tray.
With one slight nuance of physics:
The water in the brf jars reaches 100C so it produces steam within the jar. That steam doesn't escape through the lids because the steaming kettle is at 100% humidity and the pressure inside and outside the jar is equal.
The water in the center of a bulk tray in the oven for an hour won't reach that temperature. If it did, it would all evaporate out, leaving your substrate bone dry. The surface of your substrate is going to steam somewhat and evaporate moisture, but if the center reaches that temperature, all your moisture by definition will be gone.
This is physics, not opinion. RR
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Lol, if you put a pot of water in the oven on 250 it's going to boil and before it boils it's going to steam.
And where do you suppose that steam is going to evaporate too?
What does the pressure inside and outside the jar have to do with anything in this case? Is the pressure going to be any different inside the tray or outside of it?
The temperatur is slightly higher to make up for heating the water through the air, which is really the only difference.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211242 - 12/01/13 05:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You will not see it 'steam' in an oven before it boils.
If in a pot on a stovetop, the 'steam' you see before boiling isn't steam. It's evaporated moisture cooling to the dew point of the air in your kitchen, thus it's actually 'fog'.
You helped make my point. The pot of water in the oven will 'steam' off(the word is evaporate) from the top until it's dry. Only after it's dry can the container it's in actually reach 100C.
This pissing match is going to end. If you guys don't understand parts of science, please study and learn, but don't argue about that which you don't know. RR
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19211252 - 12/01/13 05:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You will not see it 'steam' in an oven before it boils.
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steam stΔm/Submit noun 1. the vapor into which water is converted when heated, forming a white mist of minute water droplets in the air.
Wrong.
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If in a pot on a stovetop, the 'steam' you see before boiling isn't steam. It's evaporated moisture cooling to the dew point of the air in your kitchen, thus it's actually 'fog'.
Sure it is, evaporation caused by heating water.
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You helped make my point. The pot of water in the oven will 'steam' off(the word is evaporate) from the top until it's dry. Only after it's dry can the container it's in actually reach 100C.
No I didn't. So how is that different from the cake your boiling? You still haven't clarified that point.
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I have no idea what you are talking about, but I know you are wrong. I don't consider writing a tek and defending the validity a pissing match. Especially when you are claiming there is a difference in the physics, that hasn't been clarified, while claiming my knowledge of science is lacking without any evidence.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
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You helped make my point. The pot of water in the oven will 'steam' off(the word is evaporate) from the top until it's dry. Only after it's dry can the container it's in actually reach 100C.
No I didn't. So how is that different from the cake your boiling? You still haven't clarified that point.
The cake in a jar is suspended above a pot of boiling water with a lid on it. This creates 100% humidity in the pot above the water and below the lid. This is what allows the substrate in the jar to reach 100C without evaporating all the moisture away. This is why we sometimes have to add water to the boiling pot during the cycle, but not to the jars, since they don't dry out.
In your tray in the oven, you have no pot of water surrounding the substrate. The moisture in the tray is all you have, thus by definition when it reaches 210F/100C, all the moisture will be gone due to evaporation.
I really can't explain it any clearer. I wish you the best of luck. RR
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: RogerRabbit]
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RR, have you tried it without covering the pot?
I don't really see how the humidity is going to change the maximum temperature the water can reach tbh.
The water doesn't evaporate away because there is a lid on the jar, there is no pressure differential that is going to force the steam inside of the jars. It is always going to be 100% humid in the jar if it is hot enough and the water cant escape. The same as the tray. All the humidity in the pot is doing is distributing the heat about equally, it isn't increasing the temperature or the maximum temperature that can be achieved.
It really does work.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211289 - 12/01/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you fill up the pot up with water to the level of the substrate in the jars and leave the lid off, you will have the same effect as you do filling up the bottom with water and covering it.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
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I'm as skeptical as the others, but instead of arguing with you about the theory (they have that pretty well covered), I'd invite you to try the tek and post the results. I don't believe you've done either.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: SizlChest]
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What do you want to see me grow? You guys realize I live in the USA and could go to prison if I posted an illegal grow right?
Not worth it even to prove a point.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211302 - 12/01/13 06:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If I ever did decide to post an illegal grow, it would be with an unapproved puppet and no one would no it was me, so that's not going to help you much.
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#19211306 - 12/01/13 06:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice excuse.....
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19211307 - 12/01/13 06:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks. I guess you forgot what happened to Ulbricht already?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211309 - 12/01/13 06:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not worth it even to prove a point.
You don't have to grow actives.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: SizlChest]
#19211311 - 12/01/13 06:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't grow actives because it isn't worth it.

Maybe in a couple months I'll turn it into a pictorial for you guys, if no one shows it works first.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211320 - 12/01/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I doubt anyone will try it if they read past the first post.....
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19211326 - 12/01/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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True, the thread got loaded with misinformation from a bunch of trolls.
I bet someone will try it, but whether or not they post it is another story.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211329 - 12/01/13 06:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: I don't grow actives because it isn't worth it.

Maybe in a couple months I'll turn it into a pictorial for you guys, if no one shows it works first.
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teknix said: True, the thread got loaded with misinformation from a bunch of trolls.
I bet someone will try it, but whether or not they post it is another story.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: SizlChest]
#19211787 - 12/01/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can not believe I read that ..... If was funny though . 
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: TheCyndicate]
#19211836 - 12/01/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I came I saw I facepalmed. I'm sure glad I got here late.
This thread has my What the Fuck is the OP Thinking
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19211853 - 12/01/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: I don't grow actives because it isn't worth it.

Maybe in a couple months I'll turn it into a pictorial for you guys, if no one shows it works first.
If you order an oyster mushroom syringe from Workman you can have fruits and pictures within a month. Oyster is much, much easier to grow than cubensis, but hey, we'll understand if you're afraid to post pictures on the internet. Just something to give us a general feeling that this won't all contaminate horribly would be nice, because I'm pretty sure this will all contaminate horribly.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
#19211914 - 12/01/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe someone should delete this thread?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: daltonvz]
#19212059 - 12/01/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why? There's a lot of good information in it, not counting the original post.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19213163 - 12/01/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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RR doesn't understand the physics of his tek, obviously making shit up and changing his story about the difference multiple times.
There is no nuance that allows water to be heated higher because the surrounding atmosphere is more humid, that is fucking absurd. And if there is such a nuance then point it out by name.
His tek is in no fucking way sterilizing the flour, I don't care how many disagree.
He was obviously wrong about what constitutes steam, so I wonder what else he is wrong about.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
#19213190 - 12/01/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: I don't grow actives because it isn't worth it.

Maybe in a couple months I'll turn it into a pictorial for you guys, if no one shows it works first.
If you order an oyster mushroom syringe from Workman you can have fruits and pictures within a month. Oyster is much, much easier to grow than cubensis, but hey, we'll understand if you're afraid to post pictures on the internet. Just something to give us a general feeling that this won't all contaminate horribly would be nice, because I'm pretty sure this will all contaminate horribly.
It doesn't contaminate. I'll prove it to all of you later.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19213266 - 12/01/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Another point of evidence is that suggested temperature is 72-75 or some bogus made up shit now, when it used to be 85, and it is 85 in the real world, but the cakes aren't sterilized so the incubation at optimal temperatures can germinate the spores that weren't killed in his steaming.
Germs don't spontaneously generate because of heat. It's because they were never all killed in the first place.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19213338 - 12/01/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: There is no nuance that allows water to be heated higher because the surrounding atmosphere is more humid, that is fucking absurd. And if there is such a nuance then point it out by name.
There is a limit to how much water can be a constituent part of an air mix. The ratio of water in the air to the maximum amount of water in the air for any given temperature is called the relative humidity, and once you reach saturation evaporation ceases. In a pot it doesn't completely cease, since moisture is being lost as the lid pops up, but yeah, there's direct correlation between the boiling point and the partial pressure of the gas above it.
This is why water boils at a cooler temperature on mountains.
If you don't believe it, either stick a thermometer in a pot of boiling water and compare it to the boiling point at sea level on a chart and see how it correlates to your elevation (yes, it IS that documented) or boil a pot of water and put a lid on it. Then take the lid off, and then put the lid on it.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
#19213361 - 12/01/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: I don't grow actives because it isn't worth it.

Maybe in a couple months I'll turn it into a pictorial for you guys, if no one shows it works first.
If you order an oyster mushroom syringe from Workman you can have fruits and pictures within a month. Oyster is much, much easier to grow than cubensis, but hey, we'll understand if you're afraid to post pictures on the internet. Just something to give us a general feeling that this won't all contaminate horribly would be nice, because I'm pretty sure this will all contaminate horribly.
Thanks for the offer, but I can go to the store and clone one.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
#19213391 - 12/01/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is why water boils at a cooler temperature on mountains.
Water boils at lower temperatures at a higher altitude because there is less pressure, not humidity. IE: the boiling point is when atmospheric pressure = vapor pressure.
A lower atmosphere therefore reduces the vapor pressure required to match it.
the water inside the little pot that he is boiling is never going to reach 250 degree's.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
#19213422 - 12/01/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would suggest an experiment for you, put a thermometer in a cake that is boiling using RR method and then do it with the lid off and more water, there will not be much, if any difference.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19213445 - 12/01/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You have several fundamental misunderstandings of how phase transitions occur, and if you can't be bothered to look any of this up I think I'm going to have to decline participating in this conversation any longer.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
#19213481 - 12/01/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Listen, do you think you are increasing the pressure by covering it with a lid? If so by how much? Is it even 1 PSI? Why wouldn't the tray do the same thing being covered?
The atmosphere outside of a pressure cooker isn't increased when you are pressure cooking, only the pressure within the container is.
There is fundamentally no difference that I can see.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19213486 - 12/01/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: Listen, do you think you are increasing the pressure by covering it with a lid?
No.
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teknix said:If so by how much? Is it even 1 PSI? Why wouldn't the tray do the same thing being covered?
It would be 1 PSI if the lid weighed one pound per square inch.
A tray won't do the same thing when covered because it's not surrounded by moist air which conveys heat much better, and because the partial pressure of water surrounding it is low and any crack or leak in the aluminum will allow gas to billow out.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19213487 - 12/01/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is there a difference in the temperature acheived in a substrate in a PC regardless of the container that is within the PC or no container within the pc at all?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19213488 - 12/01/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can't believe I just read all that. What's harder to believe is that RR got sucked in by a troll. That's some mighty fine trollin
Just for those who lack exerience and/or may consider the validity of the OP:
Sometimes doing things wrong can actually work. The folks that are arguing against the OP are really trying to establish what's best practice for best chance of success. They are also trying to establish the science behind the best practices.
The appearance of water vapors does not require boiling water and therefore is in no way an indicator of adequate temperatures for sterilizing.
However, boiling water provides steam and steam is enough to sterilize BRF cakes for 90 minutes and whole grains for about 8 hours.
Steam sterilizing in jars locks in most of the moisture because of the equalized pressure and the presents of 100% humidity at boiling temperature.
The heat from the steam transfers to the core of the jars...given enough time.
Because the oven is dry, the water vapor will transfer from the substrate while it's heating. This will result in slower heating of the substrate and simultaneously drying it out.
Given enough time, the end result could possibly be sterile substrate, but likely will be very dry. But, sterility is still unlikely because vermiculite does not transfer heat very well. Vermiculite is sometimes used as an insulter for this reason.
As soon as the substrate begins to cool, the substrate won't be sterile anymore. This is because the only contam barrier is a piece of foil. You will not be able to secure the foil enough to make it an effective contam barrier.
Flours and grains are very rich in nutrition and will contaminate very easily unless kept in a sterile environment. The exception is, of course, when they are completely dry.
If you are actually trying to be successful at growing mushrooms, do not follow the OP's tek.
No matter what you are trying to do in the oven, the result will likely be, at beast, improper hydration. Water baths and steam are the preferred methods of sterilizing and pasteurization because of the control of heat and moisture. Regardless of science and understanding, decades of experimentation have proved this. Ovens suck for mycology purposes.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
#19213496 - 12/01/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: Listen, do you think you are increasing the pressure by covering it with a lid?
A tray won't do the same thing when covered because it's not surrounded by moist air which conveys heat much better, and because the partial pressure of water surrounding it is low and any crack or leak in the aluminum will allow gas to billow out.
That's why you cover it with aluminum foil twice and go around it 3-4 times.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19213505 - 12/01/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: Is there a difference in the temperature acheived in a substrate in a PC regardless of the container that is within the PC or no container within the pc at all?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19213512 - 12/01/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: Another point of evidence is that suggested temperature is 72-75 or some bogus made up shit now, when it used to be 85, and it is 85 in the real world, but the cakes aren't sterilized so the incubation at optimal temperatures can germinate the spores that weren't killed in his steaming.
Germs don't spontaneously generate because of heat. It's because they were never all killed in the first place.
Or because filters aren't 100% efficient. Also there's a difference between the scientific definition of sterility and commercial sterility. In commercial sterility organisms that can't grow in the conditions and temperatures that the product is going to be kept in don't count. That's all that's really important.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19213520 - 12/01/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because the oven is dry, the water vapor will transfer from the substrate while it's heating. This will result in slower heating of the substrate and simultaneously drying it out.
Given enough time, the end result could possibly be sterile substrate, but likely will be very dry. But, sterility is still unlikely because vermiculite does not transfer heat very well. Vermiculite is sometimes used as an insulter for this reason.
The water stays in the tray because it is covered. Do you know how the water cycle works? It was already explained but evidently you didn't read the thread.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19213533 - 12/01/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because the oven is dry, the water vapor will transfer from the substrate while it's heating. This will result in slower heating of the substrate and simultaneously drying it out.
Given enough time, the end result could possibly be sterile substrate, but likely will be very dry. But, sterility is still unlikely because vermiculite does not transfer heat very well. Vermiculite is sometimes used as an insulter for this reason.
The water stays in the tray because it is covered. Do you know how the water cycle works? It was already explained but evidently you didn't read the thread.
Perhaps you missed what I wrote before. That's not how the water cycle works in an oven. When your steaming in a pot on the stove the lid is much cooler from the cool air above it. In an oven the air above is hotter than the temperature in the pot, it's going to condense there.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19213535 - 12/01/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19213542 - 12/01/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kizzle said: Or because filters aren't 100% efficient. Also there's a difference between the scientific definition of sterility and commercial sterility. In commercial sterility organisms that can't grow in the conditions and temperatures that the product is going to be kept in don't count. That's all that's really important.
So do you think it is better to let them hide and get transferred into the bulk, rather than showing themselves earlier so you can fix the filter and incubate at truly optimal temps, rather than some made up temp?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19213550 - 12/01/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because the oven is dry, the water vapor will transfer from the substrate while it's heating. This will result in slower heating of the substrate and simultaneously drying it out.
Given enough time, the end result could possibly be sterile substrate, but likely will be very dry. But, sterility is still unlikely because vermiculite does not transfer heat very well. Vermiculite is sometimes used as an insulter for this reason.
The water stays in the tray because it is covered. Do you know how the water cycle works? It was already explained but evidently you didn't read the thread.
Perhaps you missed what I wrote before. That's not how the water cycle works in an oven. When your steaming in a pot on the stove the lid is much cooler from the cool air above it. In an oven the air above is hotter than the temperature in the pot, it's going to condense there.
Think of the aluminum foil as a condenser, like a radiator in a car.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
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Yes. I was a meteorologist and have experience in trying to oven pasteurize vs using steam.
Moisture content of substrates can be delicate. If your core is hot enough to sterilize, then the pressure inside will not be able to be completely contained by the foil. This results in evaporation of the substrate and lack of proper filtration afterwards.
If you want to fuck around with making your substrate wetter so it has more moisture afterwards, you still don't have a proper contam barrier.
Bare in mind, nobody is telling you not to do this. But, unless you post some pics of your success, nobody should listen to you.
Sometimes stuff works, but it's not best practice.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19213565 - 12/01/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's why the tek calls for everything to be at field capacity. When it comes out it is only slightly lower, try it. Most of the water condenses on the aluminum and precipitates to repeat. If it is sealed properly you will lose very little water.
It's The simplest way to do a tray there is. So I guess what constitutes "Best Practice" is relative. Because making cakes are definitely not best practice for anyone with experience, yet it may be for a complete noob.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19213597 - 12/01/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Germs don't spontaneously generate because of heat. It's because they were never all killed in the first place.
Or because filters aren't 100% efficient. Also there's a difference between the scientific definition of sterility and commercial sterility. In commercial sterility organisms that can't grow in the conditions and temperatures that the product is going to be kept in don't count. That's all that's really important.
Also, that's why you waste extra verm on top of the cake already. If it was being sterilized and had 2 barriers there is no reason not to incubate at optimal temperatures.
I mean do you really think you can change what the optimal growth temperature is just to suite your tek?
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Look up "D-casing". It's not much different than what you're doing and has proven to be unreliable.
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Sometimes stuff works, but it's not best practice.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
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teknix said: If it was being sterilized and had 2 barriers there is no reason not to incubate at optimal temperatures.
Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.
Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.
The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
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How do you know what the optimal temperature is?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: SpitballJedi]
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SpitballJedi said: Look up "D-casing". It's not much different than what you're doing and has proven to be unreliable.
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SpitballJedi said: But, unless you post some pics of your success, nobody should listen to you.
Sometimes stuff works, but it's not best practice.
The vid doesn't exist, maybe you can sum it up, but I'd be willing to wager that since it is proven to be unviable that there is a fundamental difference.
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There is a difference, one is proven unreliable, the other is just unproven Why do you want everyone to take you at your word? I don't even expect that IRL.
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SpitballJedi said: But, unless you post some pics of your success, nobody should listen to you.
Sometimes stuff works, but it's not best practice.
The vid doesn't exist, maybe you can sum it up, but I'd be willing to wager that since it is proven to be unviable that there is a fundamental difference.
The fundamental difference is that somebody's actually tried it.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
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teknix said: If it was being sterilized and had 2 barriers there is no reason not to incubate at optimal temperatures.
Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.
Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.
The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.
Temperature doesn't cause contams, they pop up because it wasn't sterile in the first place or your jar lets them in. In which case you should probably remedy your error, rather than changing what temperature is optimal, because in reality you don't change or make an optimal temperature, optimal temperatures are observed.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Psilicon]
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SpitballJedi said: Look up "D-casing". It's not much different than what you're doing and has proven to be unreliable.
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SpitballJedi said: But, unless you post some pics of your success, nobody should listen to you.
Sometimes stuff works, but it's not best practice.
The vid doesn't exist, maybe you can sum it up, but I'd be willing to wager that since it is proven to be unviable that there is a fundamental difference.
The fundamental difference is that somebody's actually tried it.
Come on now, do you really think I haven't tried it?
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Hey I tried to bench press a bus the other day, found out that it was easy! Everyone should give it a shot.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19213695 - 12/01/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here comes to popo's. The cops are as thick as misinformation in the mush cult.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19213712 - 12/01/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Any water that condenses on the foil would be condensing on the wrong side of it. It will always condense on the hotter side and temperature in the oven while it's running will hotter than the temperature under the foil. That means any water vapor in contact with the foil it will be rising in temperature because of foil is direct content with the hotter oven air. Water vapor condenses on a surface when it causes it to get cooler, not hotter.
The reason it condenses the lid of a pot is because the other side of the lid has cool air, not the hot oven air.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19213713 - 12/01/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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How do you?
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I never said it did.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
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I know the optimal temp from observing it.Quote:
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teknix said: How do you know what the optimal temperature is?
How do you?
I know what it is from observing it.

Do you know what a monokaryote and a dikaryote is?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
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Ditto.....and 85F is not optimal.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
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I'm not twisting your words, I'm asking you a question.
85ish +/- 2F
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19213751 - 12/01/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It was using foil as the lid. But, there's not many results because it's obviously bunk. Honestly, it may not be a fair comparison. It was the foil lid that made me think of it.
Regardless of anything else, foil as your only lid is still a bad idea.
And no, I don't think you've tried it with success. If you were successful, it was luck.
Do you honestly think you are the first person to try what you're trying? Do you really think nobody has thought of it? Do you think yu are a revolutionary?
It sucks because it's been tried. Some of are smart enough to learn from others experiences and mistakes.
Regardless of ability to explain all the details in a way you can accept, the more popular methods are popular because they've withstood the test of time. This is not one of them.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
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Ditto.....and 85F is not optimal.
So what did you observe? A multispore inoculation of a cake using RR's tek?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
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Yes....and isolates on grains....and agar.....and bulk.....
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19213759 - 12/01/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those plates look weak
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19213760 - 12/01/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Regardless of anything else, foil as your only lid is still a bad idea.
It doesn't matter as much when it is hot, and you put it in a bag when you are done.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19213761 - 12/01/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: Those plates look weak
They are isolated monokaryotes of shiitake from the store. Good observation, monokaryotes look weak in comparison to dikaryotes.
Another tek you guys don't know about:

(I have a bunch of them from doing experiments)
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19213799 - 12/01/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like how you assume what we do and don't know and then move to the next thing.
You are definitley a troll.
You deserve no further comments or explanation. We've exposed you for who you are.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19213846 - 12/01/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I created the procedure, so how could you know? Have you been reading my lab reports?
Oh yeah, who am I?
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19213881 - 12/01/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're a wannabe mycologist that calls himself a biologist......
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
#19213901 - 12/01/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't want to be a mycologist, I'm taking computer programming atm actually. Mycology is a hobby for me.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19213964 - 12/01/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The jack of trades.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19213986 - 12/01/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am a mushroom cultivator...and a PC repair technician....and a connoisseur of all things that go bang.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: PussyFart]
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Nice to meet you.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
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 No flaming in Cultivation!
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dense dens/Submit adjective 1. closely compacted in substance.
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dense dens/Submit adjective 1. closely compacted in substance.
Thanks.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: hgmstl]
#19214283 - 12/01/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why, because you can't phase me?
I don't conform bro.
Nor does your opinion about me mean anything, because you don't know me at all.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19214284 - 12/01/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't conform bro.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: hgmstl]
#19214296 - 12/01/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you have anything to add about the tek or any other mycological/cultivation related stuff or are you just here to call names with your puppet?
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#19214327 - 12/01/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not a puppet, haha. I'm just an annoying spectator. I having nothing worthwhile to add, and it looks like you do not either.
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#19214361 - 12/01/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: hgmstl]
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dense [dens] Show IPA adjective, densΒ·er, densΒ·est. 1. having the component parts closely compacted together; crowded or compact: a dense forest; dense population. 2. stupid; slow-witted; dull. 3. intense; extreme: dense ignorance. 4. relatively opaque; transmitting little light, as a photographic negative, optical glass, or color. 5. difficult to understand or follow because of being closely packed with ideas or complexities of style: a dense philosophical essay.
Words have more than one definition. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Also 10 pages of denial in 24 hours. That has to be a Shroomery record.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: hgmstl]
#19214392 - 12/01/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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OP--YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT THIS WAY. You're Not Supposed To, because it's not the Right Way, and we're going to tell on you.
Come on, guys.
I agree this probably should be labeled "experimental" because it's unorthodox, but either use it or don't use it: don't give the OP a ton of shit for creating and using it because "it won't work". Technically, the OP is right--he did it and it worked, therefore it does work. I don't think the argument about the success rate is relevant, because I didn't see any argument in the original post regarding success rates--only that the OP did it this way and it worked.
I also agree that posting pics would bolster the OP's argument, but I understand why someone would not want to post photographic evidence of growing mushrooms.
OP: I appreciate your dedication to rhetorical debate and spotting logical fallacies. (You had me at Appeal to Authority, tee hee. ) With that said, I'm probably not going to use your tek because I'm not convinced that it will be as successful (for me, anyway) as my way of getting it done, which happens to be the orthodox missionary-style WBS and horse poo. But rock on, dude.
PS: You totally had to have known that by posting this you'd catch shit from all angles...The counterculture doesn't want to admit it, but we engage in some rampant, junior high-style tribalism in this bitch.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#19214411 - 12/01/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah I know I was going to catch a bunch of shit, but I was prepared. Thanks for the consideration and understanding.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19214418 - 12/01/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: hgmstl]
#19214759 - 12/01/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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When you post a tek expect some criticism. When you make a claim that contradicts everyone else's predictions expect people to want proof.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: Kizzle]
#19214919 - 12/01/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I expect and even appreciate critique, if it is at all constructive. Heckling however, is pretty childish.
What's really proof? I could take a pic of an entire different try and claim I used the tek, and how would you know? You wouldn't, you would still be going on my word.
If you think a pic is somehow proof, you have a lot to learn.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19214934 - 12/01/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lots to learn bro!
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: hgmstl]
#19215064 - 12/01/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My fave part of the largely incomprehensible "tek" is the bit where he tells us that wheat flour is an acceptable substitute for brown rice or rye.
Know why people bother to obtain rarer, more exotic flours for their projects when wheat flour is available at the corner store? It's because wheat flour produces substandard yields and substandard potency.
I also like the bit where you can "skip a step" if you have a flowhood. Do I have to turn it on, or does just having one in my basement allow me to skip the step? And is it the thing with the cardboard I can skip, or the whole paragraph the cardboard is mentioned in? I think I might skip the entire "tek" and just stick with proven methods that have been thoroughly tested by hundreds of people.
And to the guy who jumped to his defense...it's not a matter of "just don't try it if you don't like it". He's spreading disinformation. We regularly have new users of this forum dig up this kind of BS and take it seriously. Then three months later they post to the forum asking why all they have is mold..."i mean, I used the Oven Tek for my transfers, built myself a TiT incubator, and supercharged my substrate with NPK fertilizer and liquid coffee like the awesome teks I saw on the Shroomery told me to".
Yeah, some of us are condescending jerks. Also, we know what we're talking about.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19215080 - 12/01/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
teknix said: What's really proof? I could take a pic of an entire different try and claim I used the tek, and how would you know? You wouldn't, you would still be going on my word.
I guess there comes a point where you got to take someones word. I guess if a person shows a succession of pics that start with a inoculation, then a master colonizing, G2G jars, the sub being prepped, the spawned tub, the pinset and the harvest, its pretty convincing. I could just lie about stuff but where do we get as a community that way? Sure you could fake all that, but usually someone who can actually grow to begin with does not have much to gain by such a deceit.
Fact is, I could be a 14 year old kid claiming to use my own jizz to inoculate jars and that I grew 11 pounds invitro with that. Actual pics of a harvest might convince people, because its unlikely that a 14 year old kid is gonna have a harvest of anything except maybe a jar of jizz
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: hgmstl]
#19215081 - 12/01/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Proof is other people being able to reproduce the results. Part of the reason peoples opinions are so biased is this and similar techniques have been tried before. Not to mention the reasoning behind it defies logic. That's strictly referring to sterilizing in an oven. I have no doubt you can g2g grain spawn to a properly steriled bag of verm/flour mix with great results.
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Re: THE Oven Tek. No PC for Bulk tubs/trays. [Re: teknix]
#19215956 - 12/01/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: I left this thread alone for 36 hours thinking he must be drunk or something. I didn't want to lock it then because I figured he'd sober up and realize what a bunch of crap this nonsense is.
You can't put brf in a foil covered tray and 'sterilize' it in the oven. This guy doesn't understand basic science regarding pressure, steam, and sterilization. For crying out loud, he doesn't even know what steam is.
Enough already. Take the flaming elsewhere. RR
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